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Marxist Wiretap Thread
« on: March 05, 2017, 06:22:54 AM »


http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn’t Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say “Obama” did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don’t understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:


I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 06:36:18 AM »

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn’t Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say “Obama” did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don’t understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:


I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


As if the new DOJ does not have his hands full with b o's last 8 years.
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 06:43:04 AM »

As if the new DOJ does not have his hands full with b o's last 8 years.
Yeah, it looks more like finding evidence enough to tie this back to the Marxist himself, since it sounds like people will be coming forward with CYA calls, as in "every man for themselves.
With the entire Dim party collapsing, I don't expect to see anyone fall on the sword for this group of traitors. :biggrin:
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 07:49:50 AM »
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2017, 07:51:17 AM »
From Levin's Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10154136687485946

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The president should ask for the release of the two FISA warrant requests directed at his campaign and/or surrogates and the appropriate congressional intelligence committees should ask to see the presidential daily intelligence briefings Obama received from at least June 1, 2016 - January 20, 2017.The president should ask for the release of the two FISA warrant requests directed at his campaign and/or surrogates and the appropriate congressional intelligence committees should ask to see the presidential daily intelligence briefings Obama received from at least June 1, 2016 - January 20, 2017.
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2017, 07:53:21 AM »
From Levin's Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10154136687485946
Something tells me they've already talked to Levin. :thumbup:
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2017, 09:23:57 AM »

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn’t Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say “Obama” did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don’t understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:


I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2017, 09:51:19 AM »

We should fully understand after eight years that Obama and his stooges are very good at parsing words. Do not ever believe they will shoot straight with anyone.
Unless they're the target. :laugh:
The Dim party has to be shitting their collective pants right now. Tomorrow will be telling of the ones speaking out, they are the ones with information and will be willing to sellout for protection.
I don't see one Dim falling on the sword for the Marxist, so I expect to see people coming forward like opening a floodgate, all clamoring for a place at the front of the line for immunity.
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2017, 09:55:39 AM »
Here's how it may have played out.

The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2017, 10:48:09 AM »
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2017, 10:58:28 AM »
Should put this in the Library?
LOL! I didn't even realize they were the same article. :lol:
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2017, 11:24:42 AM »
This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

Very, very interesting read. Everyone should read this article...!
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2017, 11:53:35 AM »
Very, very interesting read. Everyone should read this article...!

In reading the article there just seemed to be a lot of stretch and speculation within it. Then at the end I saw this disclaimer:
"This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author. "

I would love to see Obama and part of his regime convicted of a crime, but I hope Trump and GOP don't get lured into a trap.
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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2017, 01:28:08 PM »
I suspect...

a.  The wiretap happened - it's who gave the order, and was enough cover or immunity given to them ... just in case.
b.  The "spy" information collected was disseminated, maybe prematurely, and resulted in Obama's last minute EO changes...
c.  the order attorneys after the AG was changed quietly, but Trump's guys caught it and switched it back, quietly.  (Obama forgot Trump was also a Democrat for awhile).
d.  Trump already HAS everything he needs to nail Obama & company - but perjury would be a nice "topper".
e.  Shumer might be up to his eye-balls too.  a little to concerned, like he knows more than he's letting on.

Just an suspicion/opinion, based on their own handbook, 'accuse them of what you're guilty of'.

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Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2017, 01:32:29 PM »
In reading the article there just seemed to be a lot of stretch and speculation within it. Then at the end I saw this disclaimer:
"This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author. "

I would love to see Obama and part of his regime convicted of a crime, but I hope Trump and GOP don't get lured into a trap.
I think we've become too used to the GOP helping the Marxists out of these kinds of situations, but this time it's out of their control, it's not only unconstitutional, it's personal for Trump, he was the target.
I have a feeling trump had all his ducks in a row before tweeting he'd been targeted, he has the evidence enough to convict, so he let this out to see how the enemy reacts (think Sun Tzu)
The guilty ones will hit the media tomorrow, they're clamoring to be the first to get their story out like clapper did, they want it on record they weren't a part of this whole thing and are signaling to Trump, "I'll tell you whatever you want to know." (Clapper knows exactly what happened, and so does Trump).

The Marxist is in serious trouble.  Granted, all speculation, but we've seen this repeated over the years, only to have the GOP roar like a paper tiger and go back to sleep.
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