http://therightscoop.com/primer-mark-levin-reminds-us-what-conservatism-really-is-and-why-it-is-crucial-to-liberty/

Quote from: Solar on September 11, 2016, 07:46:19 AM
That was then, a very different time, a time when the party had yet to accept the terms of leftists, it's also a time when the Dim party still had Dims that loved the country.
Problem with Levin trying to walk this back under the cloak of Reagan is, Trump is an imposter, a lib with an (R) next to his name, and to ignore that for the sake of unity is suicide for the movement.

Mark fucked up, he should have just kept his yap shut.

Read the article, which should have been entitled, "When to comprmise with the Devil." 

Not mentioned in the "moral equivilence" arguement, a good example could be Trump's view of Russia / Putin, whom he never seems to get around to criticisizing.   If guess in the "fight against good & evil", "Evil" is better than "Really Evil!" - that's the logic of the ariticle, reducing the fight to "Evil vs Really Evil".  Doesn't matter if you see the troubling similarities between BOTH positions, this is a Binary election, YOU MUST CHOSE from those two!

"No."

Not clear, then "HELL NO!"

Again, like the media pundits, asking US to change / modify OUR positions to support Donald Trump, yet, very little is coming from his camp.

Remember those single issue Pro-life folks?   Who were FIRM in their conviction, GOD would judge America if it were not for them standing up for the unborn.   Every one of them who has decided to vote for Hillary or Donald has reversed their commitment to God, and may as well be begging for God to judge America and themselves.

How about those folks who declare their alligence to the Constitution, salute the flag with pride and commitment in their hearts, saying "God has blessed America" - it would appear we are already under God's curse.  For all those willing to roll-the-dice on Trump, because Hillary is so bad, remember this one thing, every liberal position a President Trump assumes - you voted for it.

It's one thing to be outright deceived, but to be deliberately led astray when you know better - tell me, please, how do you defend such nonsense?   Do we need to become a nation of National Socialists instead of Communists - is there no other option?   

I'd like to challenge everyone reading this with one question:   "Why are you waiting for the Constitutional Conservative to follow, when he/she is staring back at you in the mirror?"

Quote from: Hoofer on September 13, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Read the article, which should have been entitled, "When to comprmise with the Devil." 

Agree.
I swear, one is heads and one is tails, the obverse side of the coin, but still the same damn coin that buys into leftist socialist ideology.
One believes in blatant cronyism, while the othe..... oh wait, they both do. OK, then one believes in socialis....wait, again, they both do....
Ummm, one believes bigger govt...Damn!
Nevermind....

Quote from: Solar on September 13, 2016, 03:14:24 PM
Agree.
I swear, one is heads and one is tails, the obverse side of the coin, but still the same damn coin that buys into leftist socialist ideology.
One believes in blatant cronyism, while the othe..... oh wait, they both do. OK, then one believes in socialis....wait, again, they both do....
Ummm, one believes bigger govt...Damn!
Nevermind....

Like you, I can't buy into the "binary election" argument.  What sounds like a short term fix is a long term disaster.  Neither candidate represents my interests - which isn't a purity or pride issue, just a basic fact, neither candidate even comes close, whether they parrot a handful of conservative sounding phrases, or just flat out say their friends are communists.

This the first election ever, where GOP supporters actually tried to bully & humiliate members of their own party to vote... but they themselves were too cheap to support their chosen candidate financially.

Quote from: Hoofer on September 13, 2016, 07:17:01 PM
Like you, I can't buy into the "binary election" argument.  What sounds like a short term fix is a long term disaster.  Neither candidate represents my interests - which isn't a purity or pride issue, just a basic fact, neither candidate even comes close, whether they parrot a handful of conservative sounding phrases, or just flat out say their friends are communists.

This the first election ever, where GOP supporters actually tried to bully & humiliate members of their own party to vote... but they themselves were too cheap to support their chosen candidate financially.

It's also the first time where neither candidate is good for the nation. They won't reign in debt, they both plan on growing govt exponentially, neither will curb Congress and Congress knows it and looks forward to either one being seated.
I refuse to take part in the further destruction of this country.

Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2016, 04:45:43 AM
It's also the first time where neither candidate is good for the nation. They won't reign in debt, they both plan on growing govt exponentially, neither will curb Congress and Congress knows it and looks forward to either one being seated.
I refuse to take part in the further destruction of this country.

It is almost laughable, the Sean Hannity types claim any non-Trump vote is a vote for the destruction of the country, or a vote for Hillary.
If I sit home, or wind up in the hospital and can't or don't vote at all, I'm guilty of voting for Hillary.
Next they'll be hauling us out of our homes at gun point, escorting us to the polls and checking the ballots to "make sure we got it right".

Sure we have the freedom to vote, but according to the Trump-a-loons, we better GET IT RIGHT!

I'm not buying the notion a couple of speeches read from a teleprompter is a convincer, this lifelong Democrat who fought against & funded the enemies of Conservative principles - has switched positions, like changing his underwear from Boxers to Briefs.  The guy has Conservative staff members quitting for lack of pay.

If Hillary collapsed again, and suddenly started talking like Mark Levin - does that make her somehow worthy of our vote?
(before the Dems dropped her on her head to switch her back...)

What really pisses me the F off is that Levin announces he will vote for Trump, yet every other day Levin is ripping Trump a new A-hole over his liberal positions.

Quote from: mrconservative on September 15, 2016, 07:04:01 AM
What really pisses me the F off is that Levin announces he will vote for Trump, yet every other day Levin is ripping Trump a new A-hole over his liberal positions.

Levin should not be the only one pissing you off this year.   

Quote from: mrconservative on September 15, 2016, 07:04:01 AM
What really pisses me the F off is that Levin announces he will vote for Trump, yet every other day Levin is ripping Trump a new A-hole over his liberal positions.

No doubt Levin wishes he could turn back time on that statement.

Quote from: Solar on September 15, 2016, 08:54:59 AM
No doubt Levin wishes he could turn back time on that statement.

Good question... maybe Mark is removing the last few hairs from his head...   LOL

Mind you, I wished he would have kept quiet - maybe just a little longer...  and who knows, peer pressure, like it or not, does have some effect.  He's a smart guy, and given Trump was sort of on a Conservative "roll", maybe he figured "with enough pressure from Constitutional Conservatives, 'we' might be swinging Donald to the right...?

The guy who really ICED it for me was Rudy advising Trump to deliver a couple of "Conservative" sounding speeches to rope us back in.  After the "cat" got outta da bag, they're bit shy of going back in, no matter what "treats" ya toss in there.

This really is uncharted territory for us, an unabashed lifelong, Liberal Democrat runs as a Republican and with 38% of the combined Republican / Democrat vote, gets the nomination.

If Mark's "end game" was "Donald is the only possible choice, let's pressure him to our side..." - which means, you've got to let Donald know you're not the adversary... geeze... what a long shot, IMO.  I like Mark Levin, he's trying something that I can't recall any success before, unless you'd like to call Newt's end run on Bill Clinton (Contract with America) - that took guts.  So, instead of sitting on his hands, Mark might be trying to turn a "lemon" in to "Lemon Pudding", stem the rising left tide and possibly bring something positive.  That's 10x what the MSM is going.

I'm all with Mark on trying to pressure Donald ... but ... Donald Trump is a father of some pretty crafty kids.  If Donald is forced to choose - it's gonna be what the kids want.  Everyone who has grown up in a family business knows the position of power is governed & guided by influence - in this case, the kids.

Quote from: Hoofer on September 15, 2016, 11:17:48 AM
Good question... maybe Mark is removing the last few hairs from his head...   LOL

Mind you, I wished he would have kept quiet - maybe just a little longer...  and who knows, peer pressure, like it or not, does have some effect.  He's a smart guy, and given Trump was sort of on a Conservative "roll", maybe he figured "with enough pressure from Constitutional Conservatives, 'we' might be swinging Donald to the right...?

The guy who really ICED it for me was Rudy advising Trump to deliver a couple of "Conservative" sounding speeches to rope us back in.  After the "cat" got outta da bag, they're bit shy of going back in, no matter what "treats" ya toss in there.

This really is uncharted territory for us, an unabashed lifelong, Liberal Democrat runs as a Republican and with 38% of the combined Republican / Democrat vote, gets the nomination.

If Mark's "end game" was "Donald is the only possible choice, let's pressure him to our side..." - which means, you've got to let Donald know you're not the adversary... geeze... what a long shot, IMO.  I like Mark Levin, he's trying something that I can't recall any success before, unless you'd like to call Newt's end run on Bill Clinton (Contract with America) - that took guts.  So, instead of sitting on his hands, Mark might be trying to turn a "lemon" in to "Lemon Pudding", stem the rising left tide and possibly bring something positive.  That's 10x what the MSM is going.

I'm all with Mark on trying to pressure Donald ... but ... Donald Trump is a father of some pretty crafty kids.  If Donald is forced to choose - it's gonna be what the kids want.  Everyone who has grown up in a family business knows the position of power is governed & guided by influence - in this case, the kids.

This is a stepping stone for each of the kids into Politics.

Quote from: Hoofer on September 15, 2016, 11:17:48 AM
Good question... maybe Mark is removing the last few hairs from his head...   LOL

Mind you, I wished he would have kept quiet - maybe just a little longer...  and who knows, peer pressure, like it or not, does have some effect.  He's a smart guy, and given Trump was sort of on a Conservative "roll", maybe he figured "with enough pressure from Constitutional Conservatives, 'we' might be swinging Donald to the right...?

The guy who really ICED it for me was Rudy advising Trump to deliver a couple of "Conservative" sounding speeches to rope us back in.  After the "cat" got outta da bag, they're bit shy of going back in, no matter what "treats" ya toss in there.

This really is uncharted territory for us, an unabashed lifelong, Liberal Democrat runs as a Republican and with 38% of the combined Republican / Democrat vote, gets the nomination.

If Mark's "end game" was "Donald is the only possible choice, let's pressure him to our side..." - which means, you've got to let Donald know you're not the adversary... geeze... what a long shot, IMO.  I like Mark Levin, he's trying something that I can't recall any success before, unless you'd like to call Newt's end run on Bill Clinton (Contract with America) - that took guts.  So, instead of sitting on his hands, Mark might be trying to turn a "lemon" in to "Lemon Pudding", stem the rising left tide and possibly bring something positive.  That's 10x what the MSM is going.

I'm all with Mark on trying to pressure Donald ... but ... Donald Trump is a father of some pretty crafty kids.  If Donald is forced to choose - it's gonna be what the kids want.  Everyone who has grown up in a family business knows the position of power is governed & guided by influence - in this case, the kids.

Whatever his reasoning, he has to be banging his head to near concussion.
I'll still listen to his program, this in no way detracts from his nuggets of intellect, though it does put to question his core principles, and by that I mean, are they as set in stone as he thought they were?
Mine on the subject are solid, but... Yes, there is a but, because had it not been for the GOP burning the base every 4 years and sticking us with another leftist choice for POTUS, I might be supporting Trump out of ignorance. (eh, probably not)

However, the GOP clearly stated we are the enemy, not a shot across the bow, but a continuous volley over the last several years or more, (including use of the IRS) designed to kill off the base, a base that holds their feet to the fire.
How Mark forgot all of this, or was persuaded to forgive and forget, we'll never know, but whatever the reason was, I've no doubt he's kicking himself in the ass over it.

Quote from: walkstall on September 15, 2016, 11:33:19 AM

This is a stepping stone for each of the kids into Politics.

You and I are in complete agreement.   They have been guiding the Trump campaign, except they're all Liberals and think like Liberals - funny how Donald's speeches flip/flop... like he gets one from the Conservative authors, then the kids get pissed, and he delivers one of theirs.  LOL

Solar - well stated.  I'll add, 'sometimes your friends will talk you into joining them in foolish things because they're already knee deep in $hit'

Quote from: Sauce on September 27, 2016, 09:32:23 AM

.....On another note, can we all agree that we can remove Mark Levin from the burning stake many on this forum lashed him to when he reluctantly decided to support Trump?    Just sayin

Well I do...... Yes he said he was voting for Trump, yet he still is one of the Trumpsters harshest critics.  If we are willing to look the other way as far as Ted is concerned I would think we are hypocrites of the highest order if we don't do the same for Levin.

Quote from: Sauce on September 30, 2016, 05:46:51 PM
Well I do...... Yes he said he was voting for Trump, yet he still is one of the Trumpsters harshest critics.  If we are willing to look the other way as far as Ted is concerned I would think we are hypocrites of the highest order if we don't do the same for Levin.

  Hell I don't even know who Levin is.  Is that TV or Radio?  I don't do TV and I only listen to music on the radio, going into town and coming home twice a week. 

The DJ in my area don't like Trump or Hillary.