Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 21, 2017, 07:12:21 PM
If they are not burning things they are raping things. Islam is basically the religion of arson and genitals. Odd combination.

Summed it up very well, people need to find out every disgusting aspect of this religion.

Quote from: quiller on February 22, 2017, 01:50:14 PM
He could be called a whole lot worse for defending the false religion which killed so many Americans on 9/11/2001.

Fast and loose Quiller. Radical Islam Extremists killed our people in 911. Maybe it won't impose too much on your sensitive position to let me be offended that you think I somehow defended them. And the radicals claimed to be under that religion no doubt - but do they represent the entire group.

What I defended is the Constitutional principle that people can choose their religion. And also that all people in this republic must submit to the rule of our laws. Apparently some of you don't believe in that - so maybe you dictators and anarchists should go to another site. Or at least you should think about what you say before it flies out of your ass. I meant that most respectfully.

Quote from: s3779m on February 22, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
Summed it up very well, people need to find out every disgusting aspect of this religion.

Religion????  Make that Political Cult!

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
Thanks for the name-call ... not a liberal and not a snowflake. I thought we were past that.

Fuck'n liberals with their panzy ass, pin-headed whining about Trump doing something.

There - does that help you feel better? I thought this site was about thinking through all the crap going on together and coming up with reasoned conclusions that align with the conservative aspects as we each believe them. Then to take these ideas with the reasons to those around us so that they can help the republic move in a good way. If that's not what all this is for, then why are we bothering? What's the fucking point.

Feel better? That's a fuckin emotion, I do not "FEEL" anything. I think through everything with critical thought, that's what makes us Conservatives.

QuoteThe other night, the Mexican Wall came up at our dinner table with my parents who came over to my house for dinner (before you start thinking I live with my parents). There was a lot of divergence in the discussion and I brought up some of the numbers from this forum. My folks are more convinced that the Wall should go up. Ok - they're only two people. But that's how we move minds in the right direction.

Well good for you.... This is one of the purposes behind the forum, teaching the Conservative perspective and backing it up with facts, not emotions.

QuoteSo, a snowflake is someone who is easily offended. I did say offended ... made an easy target. It's not the right word, okay. I was trying to convey that I thought we were better than this. I know Boo Man has been posting for a long time (a Hero level) and I want him to work forward with the rest of the conservative force that's here. I just called him out on what I thought was over the line. I want to see if he's rationale or not - or will just defend his position even if he's off-point.

The funny thing about being offended, is someone has to direct an offense at you personally for it to have effect. Being offended by something someone said, that had no intention of offending anyone, exposes a serious character flaw in the individual that took offense to what they perceived as offensive.

QuoteDoes anyone agree with me that this was over the line? Or is it that only about five people contribute, or that the members agree with Boo Man's position on Muslims. This site has a poll - maybe I'll put one together. :-)

I think it's safe to say not a single person saw it over the line, but then, most of us respect Boo's opinion on the subject being a Brit living in the US.
He tends to have a unique perspective on things, as well as insightful.

QuoteI thought this was a lightning rod. But I expected you to at least look at both viewpoints - not just throw me under the bus. I had valid support and Boo Man only vented emotion over an entire people-group that was only valid for a subset.

No one threw you under the bus and you are the one that invoked emotion, not Boo.

QuoteBigot defined above - is actually not a very meaningful term. It needs more definition to hold meaning. Boo Man was saying that those who follow Islam either burn things or rape women. I know (hope) he was only giving an extreme characterization of his thought, but I'll avoid the term bigot and just say he was characterizing a whole people-group by the fraction that acts as anarchists and/or dictators who lead in terrorizing the peaceful into silence.

Does the religious text condone beheadings? I don't know - never looked. I'll trust that you have and that it does. But even so, I do know that all Muslims that I've met haven't tried to behead those around them. So the idea may be systemic but is not carried out in practice. Yes - I have issues with the inconsistency, but this discussion is about what people are doing as much as what their religion espouses.

When you have an entire continent run by radicals espousing "Death to America", torturing, raping and killing in the name of religion and no one calls them on it, I'd say Boo's description is pretty accurate.
You do realize, their so called religion is in direct opposition to our culture, Constitution and very way of life, right?
For us to actually get along with these people, we are the ones that must concede ground, do away with our Bill of Rights simply because their "Religion" Political system will not allow them to live under our style of govt unless they work to overthrow it, as we're witnessing in Europe today.

QuoteDoes the religious text condone beheadings? I don't know - never looked.

You see, your ignorance is what got you into this mess, because you insulted someone that has read the Koran, as have many here, and know for a fact, not only does it condone it, it spells out punishment for those that don't kill in the name of Islum.

Look it up yourself. Here's a site if you want to cut through the PC BS, then dive right in.

http://pamelageller.com/.

Such a sweet preschool teacher.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/02/15/covert-campus-watchdog-stuff-jews-in-the-oven-type-of-social-media-post-flooding-pages-of-former-current-u-of-texas-arlington-students/

Quote from: walkstall on February 22, 2017, 02:08:56 PM

Religion????  Make that Political Cult!

Yeah, you nailed it. I can not understand the blind eye people turn towards this cult and TRY TO PUT THEM ON OUR LEVEL. It is NOT just another religion.

Ok. Let me try another angle.

Our Constitution / Bill of Rights / First Amendment provides for freedom of religion.

We have Muslims that live in our country legally as citizens.

I read some of the posts to say that, somehow, Islam is NOT a religion. That we should disqualify it as a religion and identify Muslims as enemies of our nation. That we should not allow Muslims live in our country based on the horrendous events that we've witnessed by some.

That's the implication of some of the posts. How do you defend that position based on an understanding of our awesome US Republic?

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 03:11:15 PM
Ok. Let me try another angle.

Our Constitution / Bill of Rights / First Amendment provides for freedom of religion.

We have Muslims that live in our country legally as citizens.

I read some of the posts to say that, somehow, Islam is NOT a religion. That we should disqualify it as a religion and identify Muslims as enemies of our nation. That we should not allow Muslims live in our country based on the horrendous events that we've witnessed by some.

That's the implication of some of the posts. How do you defend that position based on an understanding of our awesome US Republic?

It's true, it's a political system disguised as a religion, namely Sharia, which is in direct opposition to our Republic.
Their political system should be renounced if they want to live in this country, they are, however, allowed to practice their religion, as long as they drop it's so called law.
Just imagine if the Christian religion ran this nation and installed its own system of laws?
That's what Sharia is to Islum, that's why the two are incompatible with our Republic/Bill of Rights as in the 1st Amendment.

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 03:11:15 PM
Ok. Let me try another angle.

Our Constitution / Bill of Rights / First Amendment provides for freedom of religion.

We have Muslims that live in our country legally as citizens.

I read some of the posts to say that, somehow, Islam is NOT a religion. That we should disqualify it as a religion and identify Muslims as enemies of our nation. That we should not allow Muslims live in our country based on the horrendous events that we've witnessed by some.

That's the implication of some of the posts. How do you defend that position based on an understanding of our awesome US Republic?

It's not a religion.  It's a cult.  Why can't you grasp that?

Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
It's true, it's a political system disguised as a religion, namely Sharia, which is in direct opposition to our Republic.
Their political system should be renounced if they want to live in this country, they are, however, allowed to practice their religion, as long as they drop it's so called law.
Just imagine if the Christian religion ran this nation and installed its own system of laws?
That's what Sharia is to Islum, that's why the two are incompatible with our Republic/Bill of Rights as in the 1st Amendment.

Totally agree that those US citizens who choose to practice as a Muslim must do so under the Constitutional law and are subject to punishment where their actions violate these laws. I'm also in agreement that their culture and history has such great differences from what we have in the US that they will find it difficult, at best, to line up with the US laws.

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
Totally agree that those US citizens who choose to practice as a Muslim must do so under the Constitutional law and are subject to punishment where their actions violate these laws. I'm also in agreement that their culture and history has such great differences from what we have in the US that they will find it difficult, at best, to line up with the US laws.

Then why would they wish to sublimate their "religion" in order to take up life in a civilized nation?  Let them remain where they are, mired in their 7th century barbarism.

   

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 01:43:52 PM
All-in-all, the Arab culture is in great contrast to our republic. It has been like it is for a long, long time (maybe 8000 years or so?).

It's incompatible with our republic and if Islamists come here they need to fall under our republic. That means they accept our Constitution and it's laws. They will experience a great culture shift. And when the extremists try to flex their muscles, I hope we'll have the guts to kill the bastards. And hopefully the people near them won't cow to them because the good guys will take losses.

There's an interesting parallel in some of (any of) our cities. The gangs are like the extremists and the people cow to them so that they can survive. An interesting question is how do we remove those predators - how do we exterminate the gangs that cause so much damage. Now that's worth discussing. Maybe you already have.

Someone needs to kick the crap out of your math teacher or your history teacher. Better yet both.

If the muslims cult came 700 years after the Christians and Christianity is only about 2000 years old how the hell do you come up with 8000 years...?

The muslim cult was created in the 7th century.

This is how people fall for the global warming scam. They don't do their homework and listen to every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

Quote from: PeterR on February 22, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
Then why would they wish to sublimate their "religion" in order to take up life in a civilized nation?  Let them remain where they are, mired in their 7th century barbarism.

Because, like democratic Christians, the promise of free stuff is more important that their quality of afterlife.

Quote from: topside on February 22, 2017, 01:35:24 PM
Asshole. :-) I'll no better than to use that word ever again. I've taken my beatings - can we move on?

I just want to make sure you're able to post in a safe space.  Maybe you can submit some forum rules that we should all abide by?  That way, we'll be forced to do it your way.

Quote from: taxed on February 21, 2017, 06:42:26 PM
Nice...  Some politicians are starting to take a stand against the cockroaches.  Hussein would have bent over and shown flexibility.  Le Pen told them to stuff it and canceled the meeting.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/le-pen-forgoes-meeting-with-grand-mufti-rather-than-wear-islamic-veil/

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