First was that inaugural speech that could have been shortened to: "We are going to spend as much money as we can and institute lots of new laws that either restrict freedom or significantly reduce the competitiveness of our countries businesses. All of it will sound completely logical if you either believe our lies or the existance of the straw men we create. See you later suckers, don't want to miss my tee time."
Then this thing with Michelson thinking about moving so that he could pay less taxes. He has since said he will no longer talk about it after the outcry against what he said which sadly includes a piece in Fortune magazine that said he should pay his taxes and be happy because he has the money to pay the taxes. So now we are devolving to a country where the people who pay most of the taxes paid have to be quiet and take it while those who do not pay taxes and think they deserve more are totally justified in voicing their complaints. So if you succeed which in part implies that you are very motivated individual with a knowledge of how to succeed in life your opinion is of no value. But if you are a total failure or leach then we want to hear what you have to say and mourn that you are not being handed enough money to buy that BMW you want.
Lastly, the political NEWS director for NBC OR CBS wrote an article advising Obama on how he should dismantle the GOP. I would guess that this was not covered on any of the lib news agencies and that guy still has his job. He is not editorial director or in charge of opinion shows but of the NEWS. They should not have killed Baghdad bob but converted him into a news director on one of our prime networks. I have been seeing posts about Pravda having more truth than our main media and sad to say it is the truth. While I am guessing that most will not agree with me, during the Iraq war I would frequently go to the english Al Jazerra site. I found that it was not all that different than was was being reported here and at times revealed some things that were not covered here. My point is that if they were distorting their news reporting it was not a stark contrast to our fine news organizations. Not even much of a contrast.
I am so disgusted with where we are headed in this country because I just do not see how so many of these lib zombies could ever come to understand the consequences of their actions. Toss in a media that is 100 percent propaganda with zero news even those in the middle will think what is going on makes sense when all the news says that it is the best way to go.
The little solace I have was found in an article on Breightbart that reported on Mark Levin's opinion of the Inauguration. I think he is one of the best sources for getting an understanding of our political system. He never was a supporter of Christy and I thought he was so wrong. Well Christy's true colors came out and while he has achieved some good things I think overall he too is more Dem than Rep. Since I could never support the Rep party it did please me to see that ML says the party as it now stands needs to be totally overhauled. Go to the site and read it and I think you will find that the time spent was worth it.
I feel a lot like you sometimes and on top of that have two kids, one 20 and one 16.
Just step back some and think when was the last time kids had such a bleak future?
I have friends who have college degrees making $35,000.00 per year who only a decade ago were making 75,000.00 plus. Most of our middle class jobs are gone, 2-3 decades ago a kid could have come out of school or trade school as an electrician, plumber, carpenters apprentice and looked forward to a Middle Class living of 30- 40 thousand maybe more. These jobs don't exist, you go to a job site now you have one tradesmen and a dozen min. wage immigrants who will never make more then that because they will disappear and others will take there place. Fast food chains just give raises at all anymore, most places if you work part time will not work with you so you can work a second job.
I just think it looks bad is all.
After the election, I truly thought we had completely lost the country.
Not anymore, the left has proven they are completely incompetent, on all levels, from foreign policy, to economics and especially energy, they destroy everything they touch, especially American culture, by design of course.
No, I believe even libs are awakening to the fact that Husein is a failure, just like the Marxist agenda he promotes.
His last respite lives within the media, and even they will turn on him when the opportunity presents itself.
I'm a little hopeful with the lower level successes at the state level, against the corrupt unions, and so on.
It does feel little like we're making progress with substance, structural changes, while the dems have their little orgy in the White House.
Though I remain worried at how much Obama / Holder / Reid / Pelosi / Feinstein can get away with, with a complicit media and even complicit GOP leadership.
All we can do is keep our fingers crossed, hope for a break in Benghazi, Fast & Furious, WH security leaks, and for Obama to get so arrogant and lawless that somebody, anybody in the media or dem party will say something about it.
I just don't see th media ever breaking ties with Obama, that would mean egg on their face and admitting they were wrong.
Quote from: The Stranger on January 23, 2013, 07:03:40 AM
I just don't see th media ever breaking ties with Obama, that would mean egg on their face and admitting they were wrong.
Not so much an admittance, but rather a "jumping on the bandwagon" not wanting to be the last seen holding the Bam Bam Pompoms.
Media is a funny animal, they never want to be seen as a standout, it makes them a target, just look at what happens when an journalist breaks ranks, they all feed upon them like jackals.
When the time is right and safe, they will turn on him, they've done it in the past, they'll do it again.
They do it only because the mood of the country shifts, and it will shift back to the right, they are an emotional beast and always wants to be one of the cool kids.
Quote from: The Stranger on January 23, 2013, 06:28:31 AM
I feel a lot like you sometimes and on top of that have two kids, one 20 and one 16.
Just step back some and think when was the last time kids had such a bleak future?
I have friends who have college degrees making $35,000.00 per year who only a decade ago were making 75,000.00 plus. Most of our middle class jobs are gone, 2-3 decades ago a kid could have come out of school or trade school as an electrician, plumber, carpenters apprentice and looked forward to a Middle Class living of 30- 40 thousand maybe more. These jobs don't exist, you go to a job site now you have one tradesmen and a dozen min. wage immigrants who will never make more then that because they will disappear and others will take there place. Fast food chains just give raises at all anymore, most places if you work part time will not work with you so you can work a second job.
I just think it looks bad is all.
"I have friends who have college degrees making $35,000.00 per year who only a decade ago were making 75,000.00"I can personally identify with that. And at my age, no one is going to hire me for any job paying more than that. Good thing I saved my money and have a wife who still has a good paying job.
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 06:41:28 AM
After the election, I truly thought we had completely lost the country.
Not anymore, the left has proven they are completely incompetent, on all levels, from foreign policy, to economics and especially energy, they destroy everything they touch, especially American culture, by design of course.
No, I believe even libs are awakening to the fact that Husein is a failure, just like the Marxist agenda he promotes.
His last respite lives within the media, and even they will turn on him when the opportunity presents itself.
I don't think the Libs will ever see him as a failure. What you have to hope is that the moderate Dems, or "old school" ones that did vote for him will see the error of their ways. The youth frankly are too enamored with him and some of them are just too stupid to see it or care for that matter.
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 07:18:42 AM
I don't think the Libs will ever see him as a failure. What you have to hope is that the moderate Dems, or "old school" ones that did vote for him will see the error of their ways. The youth frankly are too enamored with him and some of them are just too stupid to see it or care for that matter.
I partially agree, those youth you speak of, will have had 8 years of misery by the time he is through, and a large portion of his support, as you point out "the hardcore socialists" will never give up on socialism, but it's that disillusioned 40% that voted for change that are beginning to see he was all smoke and mirrors, that will abandon the Dims next time around.
Remember, many actually voted for him because they saw Bush as pandering to corporations and the rich, when in reality, Husein is no different and they've been paying attention, and their paychecks reflect reality.
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 07:26:17 AM
I partially agree, those youth you speak of, will have had 8 years of misery by the time he is through, and a large portion of his support, as you point out "the hardcore socialists" will never give up on socialism, but it's that disillusioned 40% that voted for change that are beginning to see he was all smoke and mirrors, that will abandon the Dims next time around.
Remember, many actually voted for him because they saw Bush as pandering to corporations and the rich, when in reality, Husein is no different and they've been paying attention, and their paychecks reflect reality.
That was my theory that after 4 years of not being able to find a job while saddled with student loans... they would have thought twice about sending him back...but look what happened.
There's a bigger component than that at work. Minorities blindly back him. Sure there are the few exceptions but take one look at the video that I posted on another thread. Obama to them is the best thing since the invention of the wheel.
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
That was my theory that after 4 years of not being able to find a job while saddled with student loans... they would have thought twice about sending him back...but look what happened.
There's a bigger component than that at work. Minorities blindly back him. Sure there are the few exceptions but take one look at the video that I posted on another thread. Obama to them is the best thing since the invention of the wheel.
Don't forget, we had a smaller turnout for Mitten than we did for Johnny, which suggest the problem is us, not that the left was more driven.
Maybe much depends on who we run, maybe a Conservative for a change?
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
Don't forget, we had a smaller turnout for Mitten than we did for Johnny, which suggest the problem is us, not that the left was more driven.
Maybe much depends on who we run, maybe a Conservative for a change?
I went to a few Romney events here in WNC and the excitement greater then I had seen since Reagan and was SOOOOOOOOO Disappointed at the results!
Here is an interesting read. http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost (http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost)
Quote from: The Stranger on January 23, 2013, 07:57:31 AM
I went to a few Romney events here in WNC and the excitement greater then I had seen since Reagan and was SOOOOOOOOO Disappointed at the results!
Here is an interesting read. http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost (http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost)
Excellent article especially the last 6 or so paragraphs.
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 08:03:32 AM
Excellent article especially the last 6 or so paragraphs.
This was my biggest surprise.
QuoteRomney won a majority of whites, males, independents, middle class voters, and married women.
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
Don't forget, we had a smaller turnout for Mitten than we did for Johnny, which suggest the problem is us, not that the left was more driven.
Maybe much depends on who we run, maybe a Conservative for a change?
The smaller turnout is still a puzzle to me. It concerns me that so many of non-dem folks are single issue voters. Neither McCain or Romney were as conservative as I would like. However, I sure as hell was not going to vote for Obama or give him an absentee vote by not voting. I am in agreement with Solar that this current crowd is so incompetent that they will continue to screw up. The question will be how long will it take the MSM to jump off his wagon?
Quote from: The Stranger on January 23, 2013, 07:57:31 AM
I went to a few Romney events here in WNC and the excitement greater then I had seen since Reagan and was SOOOOOOOOO Disappointed at the results!
Here is an interesting read. http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost (http://www.policymic.com/articles/19101/popular-vote-2012-romney-actually-got-more-votes-than-bush-in-2004-and-still-lost)
His numbers are correct, his analyses, for lack of a better term, Bull Shit.
Take Sharon Angle, he claims we need to quit running Tea party candidates because she lost?
She didn't lose, the election was stolen by Reid and the unions, poll numbers had her in a solid lead, as well as exit polling.
He is right about one thing, we need to stop conceding to the left as if they own race demographics, but it's not all our fault, the media helped the left paint the right as rich white males, when nothing could be further from the truth.
Fact is, many simply stayed home because they weren't going to sacrifice principles and vote for a RINO, and the Libertarian vote that didn't go to Mitten, there are many reasons we lost, but the majority of the blame lies square in the lap of the GOP and the incompetent leadership of the RINO.
I have 3 kids 27, 30 and 32. All voted for Obama against my encouragement not to. Whey did I teach them that it is important to vote? Anyway their reasons for voting for Obama were mostly based upon the lies that Obama's campaign spread. Two are girls and they thought that Romney was going to take their rights away an make birth control illegal. Then the belief that Romney was going to cut taxes for the rich and raise their taxes.
They were upset when they saw that 2% tax come back for SS. Told them to thank Obama. When the health care system cuts in I think they will find out that they walked happily into a trap.
Oh one goodie that Obama created is a new way to pay for student loans. Your payment is based on how much you make. So if you get out of school and do not get a decent job you will end up paying virtually nothing against the loan. The payment has zero connection to the amount borrowed so those who realize how the payback will work, are going to borrow as much as they can. So we once again are funding those who know how to take advantage of the system. School is not a bad job and If I knew that I could borrow as much as I could and only had to pay back at an amount equal to what is set for pay scale I would have borrowed more and probably stayed in school longer. I have lots of education but back then you had to pay back what you borrowed.
My point is that the govt is doing all that it can to remove consequences for anything. Do not want to work hard, you get free stuff so you live like those who do work hard. A mother with 2 kids on welfare and getting all the goodies lives like on who earns nearly 50K. So no down side and no responsibility required.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 23, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
The smaller turnout is still a puzzle to me. It concerns me that so many of non-dem folks are single issue voters. Neither McCain or Romney were as conservative as I would like. However, I sure as hell was not going to vote for Obama or give him an absentee vote by not voting. I am in agreement with Solar that this current crowd is so incompetent that they will continue to screw up. The question will be how long will it take the MSM to jump off his wagon?
Never is the answer. How long has Hollywood been Liberal? Have they ever awakened? When you get handouts, you vote for the hand that's gives.
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 23, 2013, 08:24:08 AM
I have 3 kids 27, 30 and 32. All voted for Obama against my encouragement not to. Whey did I teach them that it is important to vote? Anyway their reasons for voting for Obama were mostly based upon the lies that Obama's campaign spread. Two are girls and they thought that Romney was going to take their rights away an make birth control illegal. Then the belief that Romney was going to cut taxes for the rich and raise their taxes.
They were upset when they saw that 2% tax come back for SS. Told them to thank Obama. When the health care system cuts in I think they will find out that they walked happily into a trap.
Oh one goodie that Obama created is a new way to pay for student loans. Your payment is based on how much you make. So if you get out of school and do not get a decent job you will end up paying virtually nothing against the loan. The payment has zero connection to the amount borrowed so those who realize how the payback will work, are going to borrow as much as they can. So we once again are funding those who know how to take advantage of the system. School is not a bad job and If I knew that I could borrow as much as I could and only had to pay back at an amount equal to what is set for pay scale I would have borrowed more and probably stayed in school longer. I have lots of education but back then you had to pay back what you borrowed.
My point is that the govt is doing all that it can to remove consequences for anything. Do not want to work hard, you get free stuff so you live like those who do work hard. A mother with 2 kids on welfare and getting all the goodies lives like on who earns nearly 50K. So no down side and no responsibility required.
Don't remember where it was. It said if your studying to be a nurse, doctor, policeman or teacher you would not have to pay it back.
"Two are girls and they thought that Romney was going to take their rights away an make birth control illegal."
With all due respect if they could be that misinformed at the ages you mentioned, what does that say about those that voted for him?
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
"Two are girls and they thought that Romney was going to take their rights away an make birth control illegal."
With all due respect if they could be that misinformed at the ages you mentioned, what does that say about those that voted for him?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I love when someone points out how ludicrous the truth can be.
You just pointed out how the average lib votes with the emotional equivalency to that of a 20 something female.
Love it! :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 08:58:02 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I love when someone points out how ludicrous the truth can be.
You just pointed out how the average lib votes with the emotional equivalency to that of a 20 something female.
Love it! :lol:
I'm just as you say pointing out the silliness of it. As much as I despise Obama, I never heard him or his minions say or imply any such thing. My point is that could have been easily discounted, yet they went and voted for him without first trying to find out if it's true? That's mind boggling especially given the ages.
I'll bet there were many more just like that.
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 08:58:02 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I love when someone points out how ludicrous the truth can be.
You just pointed out how the average lib votes with the emotional equivalency to that of a 20 something female.
Love it! :lol:
Highschool, free safe sex when voting for b o. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
I'm just as you say pointing out the silliness of it. As much as I despise Obama, I never heard him or his minions say or imply any such thing. My point is that could have been easily discounted, yet they went and voted for him without first trying to find out if it's true? That's mind boggling especially given the ages.
I'll bet there were many more just like that.
Yep, an entire generation apparently... :scared:
Sadly, nullifying ignorance is something that comes with age and wisdom, something a majority of which will look back in years to come, and realize just how big of sheep they were.
Sometimes being cool doesn't mean blindly following the crowd, but having the wisdom to stand out and be a leader.
I still have faith that many of the kids that followed blindly will see the ills of their ways and ask questions next time.
I base it on my own generation eventually seeing the light.
Quote from: Turks on January 23, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
"Two are girls and they thought that Romney was going to take their rights away an make birth control illegal."
With all due respect if they could be that misinformed at the ages you mentioned, what does that say about those that voted for him?
We live in a very Dem dominated area and summer vacation area for Hillary when she was young so you are not going to hear many voices of dissension for any anti GOP comments. My kids are like a lot of voters, they hear a little bit here and there and then hear people talking about it. They are not very into politics and partially vote because I keep telling them that it is important. What I was getting at is that the media is so in the tank for Obama and of the clarity of their understanding or lack of understanding if they listen with half an ear to what is said on the news channels Obama is all for the common person and Romney was the devil who was just looking to shake down the middle class while only helping the upper class.
Certainly their views were not based on total information but probably from discussions with friends who heard something from another friend. A kernel of the original story but different.
I think that for some time now the media plays a large role in deciding who will be our president. Obama was a great story and something historical so there was no way they were going to say or do anything that would chance the story not becoming reality. So the less informed think Obama is god. The minorities are not going to vote for a white rich guy when they could vote for a black man that talks like MLK and is running on the idea that they got screwed by the rich guys and he is going to take their money back from the rich folks. Well it would be their money if the rich did not keep it for themselves.
So if all minorities, except for a small number vote for Obama and then say 10% of the casual voters vote based on what the media says well just that probably gives 30 or 40% of the vote. So do the math and the other 60 or 70% have to vote overwhelmingly for Romney for it to even be a tie. At the least he would need greater than 70% of the remaining voters to vote for him just to break even. Toss in fraud and well an Obama win was almost a certainty. I think 12 precincts in PA gave 100% of their votes to Obama.
The GOP has to do what Mark Levin says and get rid of the fake conservatives and then they have to make their case. They have to do what ever it takes to try and keep the media honest. I would use some of their money to investigate news casters and celebrities. They all have to have skeletons in their closet or do things that go against the lib beliefs. Sort of shoot a shell across the bow.
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 09:40:28 AM
Yep, an entire generation apparently... :scared:
Sadly, nullifying ignorance is something that comes with age and wisdom, something a majority of which will look back in years to come, and realize just how big of sheep they were.
Sometimes being cool doesn't mean blindly following the crowd, but having the wisdom to stand out and be a leader.
I still have faith that many of the kids that followed blindly will see the ills of their ways and ask questions next time.
I base it on my own generation eventually seeing the light.
Yes but we had a mom and dad to look up to. Now you have feel good school and latchkey kids.