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1. The Taliban is doing pretty good against us how exactly?2. Huh?3. Profit.I was kidding about wanting to understand your culture. I do however appreciate real debate and argument.
Have we "beaten" the taliban? Look at the last ten years and there is your answer. They still control a portion of the countryside just like the Viet cong and NVA regulars I fought did.Speaking of Vietnam What you had were local rebels armed with anything they could find including sharpened bamboo sticks.Lets go back further and look at Hitlers Legions in the Warsaw Ghetto...a few UNTRAINED people armed with old rifle's fought then the most technically advanced army in the world to a stand still.We can keep on going down through history and even our own...the American Indian, the Revolution etc and provide numerous examplesYou have to realize that weapon superiority and professional soldiersoften do poorly against a truely dedicated person who is defending his/her home and personal rights.
Point taken about Vietnam, I believe our forces have learned it's lesson since then though. As for the Taliban, no, they'll never do appreciable damage to western civilization except in the form of the terror it will occasionally create. In that regard, they only have power over us in-so-much as we give them that power and fear them. I've asked many times of several posters. In what scenario do you envision enough Americans rising up in arms against their own government? Only about half of us law abiding citizens even care to own a gun to begin with.What's going to be the smoking gun? What's going to push everyone over the edge?
Being a student of history I know that revolts are not successful unless one has the backing of a portion of the military and the police.You have a lot of police who will not go along with what the federal Govt says. Without belaboring the point look at the problems betwen the Feds and the Local law men in Arizona over immigration and listen to what a growing number of Sheriffs and local lawmen across the country are saying about gun laws and executive orders.My guess is that any real problems will occur between federal law enforcement and local lawmen and go from there.Other factors will be tied into it, I think the number one problem is going to be the economy, if our economy collapses, you are looking at major problems that no one can control.Think about it, during the Chaos do you think all the military families, police familes, national guard famlies won't be caught up in it? Those are the guys who are expected to maintain order, do you think they will do that or look to their own familes?Billy
Someone asked for restrictions on freedom of speech which these are. May have mixed posters.
Again, SCOTUS stated they are not restrictions on the 1st Amendment, you do not have the right to libel someone, libel is already illegal, so the 1st doesn't apply.I asked you to show me where an actual Federal law exists restricting freedom of speech, not state law.
Those ARE restrictions on freedom of speech.I'll spell it out. You may not speak or write whatever you want because of these laws so your speech is in fact restricted. This has all been before the Scotus as a challenge to the 1st and failed.
Those were State court cases brought before SCOTUS, there is a huge difference.SCOTUS also said they are not restrictions on freedom of speech.I asked for an actual Federal law, not a State issue.
There is also the point that there already is restrictions on the second amendment. You obviously can't own an atom bomb or some chemical weapons. You also can't own other 'arms' that aren't as extreme as these two examples I'm sure, I just can't name them but someone else on this forum probably could. Can you own a bazooka ?
And back in the day, you could own a naval warship. Bazooka's, atom bombs, chemical weapons, all regulated out of the hands of the average citizen. Why not continue with more sensible regulation, like limiting personal firearms to bolt action rifles for hunting? Just a thought.
Point taken about Vietnam, I believe our forces have learned it's lesson since then though. As for the Taliban, no, they'll never do appreciable damage to western civilization except in the form of the terror it will occasionally create. In that regard, they only have power over us in-so-much as we give them that power and fear them. We have spent billions on scanners, we have spent billions on making planes safer(more secure). You can't go into many large office or government building without being searched. Have you tried to get onto a military base lately. They have done a HUGE AMOUNT of damage and are winning more everyday. I've asked many times of several posters. In what scenario do you envision enough Americans rising up in arms against their own government? Only about half of us law abiding citizens even care to own a gun to begin with.What's going to be the smoking gun? What's going to push everyone over the edge?
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