The 2nd is outdated. Our founders were painfully aware that they were fallible humans and so is the constitution. They don't call them amendments because the thing was written in stone ya know.“Mr. President, I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them...For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better Information, or fuller Consideration, to change Opinions even on important Subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise.” -Ben Franklin”As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed.” -James Madison
I knew I could count on a political forum called Conservative Political Forum to be chalk full of enlightened and civil debaters!I'm kind of new to the forum game, am I supposed to call you a clown now too? Is this like harmless adolescent ribbing or do you really think I'm a clown? I'm just trying to understand your conservative culture better. all issues.
We have restrictions on the 1st already and I believe they are sufficient.The 2nd however sticks out like a sore thumb invoking a time when a bunch of muskets and a 6lb. cannon actually COULD repel an invading nation or force. We live in the time of unmanned drones, lasers and perhaps the best trained military in history. A well regulated militia is no guarantee of independence anymore. There is a better way to prevent tyranny. Voting and non-violent peaceful protest has actually proven to be effective in modern times.
Why should we have gun control, and why do you want a more violent society?
Job security.My livelihood relies on a remarkably stupid and violent society.
I'm really for more and cheaper guns, just trying to pump up the base mang.
Oh. You're a union rep?What's a "mang"?
Mang is a cool way to say 'man' I think. The google says it's from the movie Scarface's Tony Montana."ju tink I a communiss, Mang....uh?""ju tink I wanna living some frickin cage, mang....uh?"
See the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography, or hate speech.
I asked in what scenario can you envision ENOUGH U.S. citizens would take up arms against their own government?I don't think it's going to be over the 2nd anyway.*shrugs*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principlehttp://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htmThe Scotus says,"Because the First Amendment has such strong language, we begin with the presumption that speech is protected. Over the years, the courts have decided that a few other public interests — for example, national security, justice or personal safety — override freedom of speech. There are no simple rules for determining when speech should be limited, but there are some general tests that help."Clear and Present DangerWill this act of speech create a dangerous situation? The First Amendment does not protect statements that are uttered to provoke violence or incite illegal action.Fighting WordsWas something said face-to-face that would incite immediate violence? In Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, the Supreme Court stated that the “English language has a number of words and expressions which by general consent [are] ‘fighting words’ when said without a disarming smile. … Such words, as ordinary men know, are likely to cause a fight.” Libel and SlanderWas the statement false, or put in a context that makes true statements misleading? You do not have a constitutional right to tell lies that damage or defame the reputation of a person or organization.ObscenityIn June 1973 in Miller v. California, the Supreme Court held in a 5-to-4 decision that obscene materials do not enjoy First Amendment protection.
1. Muskets and cannons are replaced by laser guides on rifles and night scopes and amour piercing ammunition. Those illiterate Taliban mostly armed with ak's are doing a fine job against the worlds most technologically advanced military.2. Voting prevents Tryanny? Tell that to all the people who voted for Hugo Chavezyou guys are a dime dozen, you come in here with the same line...."I wanna understand conservative culture" then you come on with your intellectual superiority....you need to be honest, you come in here looking to point out how "we" are wrong and "you" are right.