Looking for conservative clarification

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Solar

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:29:22 AM
We have restrictions on the 1st already and I believe they are sufficient.

The 2nd however sticks out like a sore thumb invoking a time when a bunch of muskets and a 6lb. cannon actually COULD repel an invading nation or force.  We live in the time of unmanned drones, lasers and perhaps the best trained military in history. A well regulated militia is no guarantee of independence anymore. 

There is a better way to prevent tyranny. Voting and non-violent peaceful protest has actually proven to be effective in modern times.
Really? Japan would differ on that {POV}, it's the main reason they decided against a ground invasion, every citizen had a weapon or more, or in the least, easy access.
No military on earth could subdue the citizenry of the US outside of total obliteration.
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Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2013, 11:26:37 AM
There is a reason you didn't get a quality response, your post is laden with ignorance of our Founders ideas and Documents.
Read the Federalist Papers, then come back and try and engage in debate.
I don't like insulting new members, but rather feel an obligation to educate, in your case? You have much too much to learn to even engage on our level.

Please enlighten me oh wise one!  I can tell you skipped your debate class straight away.

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Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:17:33 AM
I knew I could count on a political forum called Conservative Political Forum to be chalk full of enlightened and civil debaters!

I'm kind of new to the forum game, am I supposed to call you a clown now too?  Is this like harmless adolescent ribbing or do you really think I'm a clown?  I'm just trying to understand your conservative culture better.

How about humping your ass over to the DUmp and telling them all of your war stories about how you single handed put those squirrelous conservatives in their place. They might pat you on the back and give you some 'yeah man's' and you will be at home.

I really couldn't give a good fokk what you call me. As a liberal you will never understand what being a constitutionalists is all about.
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Solar

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
Please enlighten me oh wise one!  I can tell you skipped your debate class straight away.
I just did! Read the Federalist Papers, they explain what the Founders meant when writing our founding Documents.
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Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:29:22 AM
We have restrictions on the 1st already and I believe they are sufficient.

The 2nd however sticks out like a sore thumb invoking a time when a bunch of muskets and a 6lb. cannon actually COULD repel an invading nation or force.  We live in the time of unmanned drones, lasers and perhaps the best trained military in history. A well regulated militia is no guarantee of independence anymore. 

There is a better way to prevent tyranny. Voting and non-violent peaceful protest has actually proven to be effective in modern times.

Vote to your heart's content and take yourself into any ghetto with your non-violent peaceful protest and see if you can get out alive. Be sure and tell the denisons of those places you are there to enlighten them on their rights and would they please, oh pretty please, quit waving those nasty guns in your face, they are actually making you ill. ( probably dead, as well )
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Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
Really? Japan would differ on that {POV}, it's the main reason they decided against a ground invasion, every citizen had a weapon or more, or in the least, easy access.
No military on earth could subdue the citizenry of the US outside of total obliteration.

Yea yea, heard that quote, something about "we can not invade the U.S. because there would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." That was a different scenario in which enough Americans probably would have mobilized in order to repel a foreign invasion.

In what scenario could you envision that the entire U.S., every citizen uniting to combat our own government?  Way to Turner Diaries.

When do Americans unite on anything?  At best, we can get a bare majority to unite under some ideal and finally get some movement.

Capt.Obvious

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2013, 11:44:40 AM
I just did! Read the Federalist Papers, they explain what the Founders meant when writing our founding Documents.

The anti-federalist papers are more entertaining though.

Solar

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:29:22 AM
We have restrictions on the 1st already and I believe they are sufficient.

Sorry, I missed this.
List the restrictions placed on my 1St Amendment by the Federal Govt.
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Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
Yea yea, heard that quote, something about "we can not invade the U.S. because there would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." That was a different scenario in which enough Americans probably would have mobilized in order to repel a foreign invasion.

In what scenario could you envision that the entire U.S., every citizen uniting to combat our own government?  Way to Turner Diaries.

When do Americans unite on anything?  At best, we can get a bare majority to unite under some ideal and finally get some movement.
So...just because it hasn't happened in modern times, it won't?
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Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:51:52 AM
The anti-federalist papers are more entertaining though.
Entertaining? Yes. Irrelevant? Absolutely!
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Quote from: Shooterman on January 21, 2013, 11:47:17 AM
Vote to your heart's content and take yourself into any ghetto with your non-violent peaceful protest and see if you can get out alive. Be sure and tell the denisons of those places you are there to enlighten them on their rights and would they please, oh pretty please, quit waving those nasty guns in your face, they are actually making you ill. ( probably dead, as well )

When was the last job you worked in which you are issued a bullet proof/shank proof vest as your personal protective equipment?  I like it personally, makes me feel tough.

I'm pretty good at going into the nasty parts of town, but your concern has warmed my heart.  I feel more welcome now, thank you brother.

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Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 21, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
Yea yea, heard that quote, something about "we can not invade the U.S. because there would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." That was a different scenario in which enough Americans probably would have mobilized in order to repel a foreign invasion.

In what scenario could you envision that the entire U.S., every citizen uniting to combat our own government?  Way to Turner Diaries.

When do Americans unite on anything?   At best, we can get a bare majority to unite under some ideal and finally get some movement.


When I see the amount of guns and ammo going out the door.  It is telling me there a majority of Americans uniting.   :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
Sorry, I missed this.
List the restrictions placed on my 1St Amendment by the Federal Govt.

See the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography, or hate speech.

Capt.Obvious

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2013, 11:54:25 AM
So...just because it hasn't happened in modern times, it won't?

I asked in what scenario can you envision ENOUGH U.S. citizens would take up arms against their own government?

I don't think it's going to be over the 2nd anyway.

*shrugs*

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Quote from: Capt.Clueless on January 21, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
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You'd think a sensible regulation might be to require back ground checks for all gun sales, even private.  Perhaps require private sellers to run a background check through a licensed dealer and business.

No, I wouldn't think that.  I'd rather see criminals get arrested.
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