Looking for conservative clarification

Started by EHMakeup, January 20, 2013, 04:37:01 PM

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Shooterman

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 08:59:16 PM
There is also nothing in the constitution that says that the supreme court gets to determine the constitutionality of laws passed through congress, but I'm personally glad they do. The fourth amendment requires government to have a warrant to search your belonging, and yet there are plenty of loopholes to allow law enforcement to do it anyway. The point is, we don't follow the constitution to the letter, because it wasn't designed to be used that way.

That is unequivocal bull shit. Of course the US Constitution was designed by the brightest constitutional minds in the world to be followed to the letter. To say otherwise is making a mockery of their striving to give us and our posterity a document that would last forever. Man has corrupted the process, but it wasn't because of what the Founders did. I will give you this. The anti-Federalist knew damned good and well what unscrupulous men would do to the Constitution, and that is exactly why everyone knew without a doubt, any state  could meet in convention and withdraw from the union of States. The arch criminal Lincoln, by force, destroyed that concept, but nevertheless, the Founders knew it to be true. So don't give me this song and dance about what times have wrought. If the Constitution needs changing, do it legally, but don't fokk around with it like a damned old cur dog, nibbling here and there on it until it no longer exists. 

QuoteI understand the spirit of the second amendment, to ensure that the people always have the ability and the resource to over throw a tyrannical government. I just think it's a bit dramatic to infer that any regulation at all on gun ownership and sales, is the work of "the enemy". I think it's possible to discuss the issue, with cool heads. I like guns, there's one sitting less then 5 feet from me. I'm just advocating that responsible gun ownership be mandatory, rather then on the honor system.

We survived as a country with a working Second Amendment for almost one hundred and fifty years, and now I am supposed to have a 'clear head' while the government tries it's damned best to make a criminal of me.

Don't buy that crap and I never will.
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EHMakeup

Quote from: walkstall on January 20, 2013, 09:11:10 PM
Number 1 most all laws are made to make people feel good.  Number 2 most all laws are for collecting money.  Number 3 most all laws are to keep Government in power.  Number 4 most all laws keep attorney in money.


If ticket # 1 was for 500 $ and ticket #2 was 10.000 $ then ticket Number 3 was for 50.000  $.    Do you think speeding would drop off? 



I am with Shooter.  If your going to break the law be ready to pay the full consequences.

Fair enough, I guess. Though, you make it sound as if all laws are created for the benefit of the government, and have no benefit to the people, at all. If that's the case, should we abolish all laws, 'cause that means our constitution is out the window all together. Seems counter productive to protecting the second amendment. Just an observation.

walkstall

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 09:22:18 PM
Fair enough, I guess. Though, you make it sound as if all laws are created for the benefit of the government, and have no benefit to the people, at all. If that's the case, should we abolish all laws, 'cause that means our constitution is out the window all together. Seems counter productive to protecting the second amendment. Just an observation.

Most laws are BS, follow the Constitution and 2nd amendment along with the 10 comamdments.   That why I said MOST laws. 
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EHMakeup

Quote from: Shooterman on January 20, 2013, 09:21:11 PM
That is unequivocal bull shit. Of course the US Constitution was designed by the brightest constitutional minds in the world to be followed to the letter. To say otherwise is making a mockery of their striving to give us and our posterity a document that would last forever. Man has corrupted the process, but it wasn't because of what the Founders did. I will give you this. The anti-Federalist knew damned good and well what unscrupulous men would do to the Constitution, and that is exactly why everyone knew without a doubt, any state  could meet in convention and withdraw from the union of States. The arch criminal Lincoln, by force, destroyed that concept, but nevertheless, the Founders knew it to be true. So don't give me this song and dance about what times have wrought. If the Constitution needs changing, do it legally, but don't fokk around with it like a damned old cur dog, nibbling here and there on it until it no longer exists. 

We survived as a country with a working Second Amendment for almost one hundred and fifty years, and now I am supposed to have a 'clear head' while the government tries it's damned best to make a criminal of me.

Don't buy that crap and I never will.

No one is asking you to buy anything. I wanted to hear a counter opinion, and you gave that to me. I also didn't say clear heads, I said cool heads. As in, two rational people, can express two counter opinions on a subject, and neither is reduced to be called 'the enemy'. I don't want to be oppressed, I don't want my guns taken away from me, and I don't want my personal freedom infringed upon. All I want is for responsible gun ownership and gun business ownership, to be mandatory, and not on the honor system, because as you said, people are corrupt.

EHMakeup


Shooterman

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
No one is asking you to buy anything. I wanted to hear a counter opinion, and you gave that to me. I also didn't say clear heads, I said cool heads. As in, two rational people, can express two counter opinions on a subject, and neither is reduced to be called 'the enemy'. I don't want to be oppressed, I don't want my guns taken away from me, and I don't want my personal freedom infringed upon. All I want is for responsible gun ownership and gun business ownership, to be mandatory, and not on the honor system, because as you said, people are corrupt.

Then you wish to infringe on the right.

No two people will tell you exactly what 'responsible gun ownership' is. 

Give government a little, it wants a lot. That is the nature of government.

Freedom is simply the restraint of government.
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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
However, the fact doesn't change, that every state has a gun problem, in one capacity or another.

I'd like to see data that supports this "fact".  The only gun problem that we have involves the government.
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walkstall

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
No one is asking you to buy anything. I wanted to hear a counter opinion, and you gave that to me. I also didn't say clear heads, I said cool heads. As in, two rational people, can express two counter opinions on a subject, and neither is reduced to be called 'the enemy'. I don't want to be oppressed, I don't want my guns taken away from me, and I don't want my personal freedom infringed upon. All I want is for responsible gun ownership and gun business ownership, to be mandatory, and not on the honor system, because as you said, people are corrupt.


There a estimated 20k laws in 50 states plus the federal laws.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States


There also a law calling for a budget to be passed each year. 
Now that law effects every man, woman and child along with the next generations.


Now do you think one or two more laws will help.   :popcorn
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

taxed

Quote from: walkstall on January 20, 2013, 10:10:31 PM

There a estimated 20k laws in 50 states plus the federal laws.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States


There also a law calling for a budget to be passed each year.
Now that law effects every man, woman and child along with the next generations.

I know who I'd like to put in jail first...

Now do you think one or two more laws will help.   :popcorn
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walkstall

Quote from: taxed on January 20, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
I know who I'd like to put in jail first...

And there not all Democrats.   :popcorn:
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

taxed

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walkstall

Quote from: taxed on January 20, 2013, 10:35:29 PM
Nope.... but they're all libs!!

From Bronx post.

QuoteThe Traitor John Boehner, in his speech at the freshman orientation, told the new members of the House of Representatives that they are there to resolve "the issues of the day" not to represent their constituents


http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/john-boehner-ive-learned-my-lesson!!-really/
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

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BILLY Defiant

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
Well, my response to this is pretty simple, Columbine. Those boys bought their guns at a gun show, with fake ID's. Also, I can promise you, gun show vendor do not have do a formal background check on anyone who buys a weapon from them, while at the gun show. That's why it's referred to as the 'gun show loophole'.

In regards to the Federal Government's responsibility in enforcing current law, you are absolutely right!! The trouble, is that's the job of the ATF, to track weapon's sales, and ensure current laws are enforced. Yet, it's been impossible to confirm anyone to that post, and huge restrictions have been put on what power they do have. What's the point in having laws that can't be enforced properly?


intresting point...we had Feinsteins gun ban (we used to call Clintons Gun ban)in effect when Columbine occurred.

And just so you know when you buy a firearm in Many states the dealer takes your ID and runs it through a state police data base.

Billy
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