Was watching a video on youtube with my wife on black albinos, by any description except for bone structure and certain genetic differences inherent in black ethnic groups they are white with blond hair and very often blue eyes, yet they are considered black. In today's liberal society where your racial linage decides what type of affirmative action rights you are entitled to when it comes to Liberal Institutions and often what rights you have as a victim of a crime then there exist a real necessity to prove your racial makeup (Of course the irony is that the only other place where you had to do this was national socialist Germany)



So my question is if these white people are black because of their lineage then what makes Obama black when his lineage is just as much white as black?

What qualifies you as non-white when Elisabeth Warren is according to Liberals a ethnic Cherokee Indian because of spirituality whereas Calvin Coolidge is not close to being a Native American even when he has distant Indian lineage? To make it even more confusing how is Thomas Sowell and Walter E.Williams not black because they are uncle toms according to leftist narrative?

My head is starting to hurt from trying think like a liberal and obsess about race like a progressive  Something tells me if you are on the left you can be whatever ethnicity you want to be if you just "believe" enough, whereas if you are conservative you are white even if you are black.

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 21, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
Was watching a video on youtube with my wife on black albinos, by any description except for bone structure and certain genetic differences inherent in black ethnic groups they are white with blond hair and very often blue eyes, yet they are considered black. In today's liberal society where your racial linage decides what type of affirmative action rights you are entitled to when it comes to Liberal Institutions and often what rights you have as a victim of a crime then there exist a real necessity to prove your racial makeup (Of course the irony is that the only other place where you had to do this was national socialist Germany)



So my question is if these white people are black because of their lineage then what makes Obama black when his lineage is just as much white as black?

What qualifies you as non-white when Elisabeth Warren is according to Liberals a ethnic Cherokee Indian because of spirituality whereas Calvin Coolidge is not close to being a Native American even when he has distant Indian lineage? To make it even more confusing how is Thomas Sowell and Walter E.Williams not black because they are uncle toms according to leftist narrative?

My head is starting to hurt from trying think like a liberal and obsess about race like a progressive  Something tells me if you are on the left you can be whatever ethnicity you want to be if you just "believe" enough, whereas if you are conservative you are white even if you are black.

One of my favorites these days is Victor Davis Hanson. He wrote an article that I caught at Real Clear Politics yesterday that addresses this exact issue. He catches the same sort of hypocrisy you point out.

The Left needs race as one of many dividers. It really is that simple. If you presented the Leftist agenda as a whole to the entire, united American people at once, the Left would lose every election, the Democrat Party would disappear, and they know that. That's why they have to divide, and that's what drives the racial labeling, which takes place almost exclusively in the lib/prog press.

Taken logically, without respect to race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. etc. etc., the Left's agenda is rubbish. It's completely inside-out, backwards, upside-down and downright stupid. See KenyaCare for the purest recent example.

So the Left divides us into little groups (or maybe big ones, like "women," who, of course, are a majority in the US, but for some reason just can't stop feeling picked on) and proposes policies they claim will benefit the groups in special ways. Thus we have the affirmative action policies that encouraged Elizabeth Warren to lie about her heritage in order to become Harvard Law's first "Native American" professor. Similar policies enabled a nobody half-caste kid from nowhere to gain admission to Occidental College, then to Columbia Law and Harvard Law, and finally to the White House. If affirmative action was the stuff of lib/prog erections, the Kenyan is the gunk in the tip of the condom.

Eeewwwwww. I can't believe I wrote that. 

I'll leave you with that revolting image as food for thought  something to chew on  something to think about...  sparingly.

Quote from: TboneAgain on October 21, 2014, 04:49:43 AM
One of my favorites these days is Victor Davis Hanson. He wrote an article that I caught at Real Clear Politics yesterday that addresses this exact issue. He catches the same sort of hypocrisy you point out.

The Left needs race as one of many dividers. It really is that simple. If you presented the Leftist agenda as a whole to the entire, united American people at once, the Left would lose every election, the Democrat Party would disappear, and they know that. That's why they have to divide, and that's what drives the racial labeling, which takes place almost exclusively in the lib/prog press.

Taken logically, without respect to race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. etc. etc., the Left's agenda is rubbish. It's completely inside-out, backwards, upside-down and downright stupid. See KenyaCare for the purest recent example.

So the Left divides us into little groups (or maybe big ones, like "women," who, of course, are a majority in the US, but for some reason just can't stop feeling picked on) and proposes policies they claim will benefit the groups in special ways. Thus we have the affirmative action policies that encouraged Elizabeth Warren to lie about her heritage in order to become Harvard Law's first "Native American" professor. Similar policies enabled a nobody half-caste kid from nowhere to gain admission to Occidental College, then to Columbia Law and Harvard Law, and finally to the White House. If affirmative action was the stuff of lib/prog erections, the Kenyan is the gunk in the tip of the condom.

Eeewwwwww. I can't believe I wrote that. 

I'll leave you with that revolting image as food for thought  something to chew on  something to think about...  sparingly.

Indeed it is all just about ends, if the Liberals need to embrace racism and institute essentially what is nazism to fulfill their Utopia of equality of results then the means doesn't matter. They can always just invent a new word to describe this new liberal racism and the problem would be solved in their petty minds.

There seem to be a drive, maybe unintentional, to create a new class of white vs non-white to replace the old paradigm of rich vs poor. Where white is everything that is evil and non-white is pure, whites can be part of this non-white class if they renounce everything that is deemed white (conservative) and accept their genetic inferior status. Hence we get black people beating up other black people for wanting take responsibility as they are "acting white". George Zimmerman, though a hispanic is now called a white hispanic because he is a evil hispanic, black conservative are race traitors, white traditionalists are white supremacists even though it has nothing to do with skin color.

Racism has always been part of the left, but I think this new white=pure evil and black/ethnic=pure good no matter the facts is a new ploy/theme, though I may be wrong about it being new. I just know my grandparents though being socialist do not view the world this way and judges people on actions, then again they are/were old guard Gerhardsen school of socialists.

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 21, 2014, 07:33:35 AM
Indeed it is all just about ends, if the Liberals need to embrace racism and institute essentially what is nazism to fulfill their Utopia of equality of results then the means doesn't matter. They can always just invent a new word to describe this new liberal racism and the problem would be solved in their petty minds.

There seem to be a drive, maybe unintentional, to create a new class of white vs non-white to replace the old paradigm of rich vs poor. Where white is everything that is evil and non-white is pure, whites can be part of this non-white class if they renounce everything that is deemed white (conservative) and accept their genetic inferior status. Hence we get black people beating up other black people for wanting take responsibility as they are "acting white". George Zimmerman, though a hispanic is now called a white hispanic because he is a evil hispanic, black conservative are race traitors, white traditionalists are white supremacists even though it has nothing to do with skin color.

Racism has always been part of the left, but I think this new white=pure evil and black/ethnic=pure good no matter the facts is a new ploy/theme, though I may be wrong about it being new. I just know my grandparents though being socialist do not view the world this way and judges people on actions, then again they are/were old guard Gerhardsen school of socialists.

It's already underway, under the banner of "White Privilege" and most libs have fallen for it through liberal guilt, which is why the readily go along with whatever PC bull shit the party dishes out.
From AGW, to using energy makes you the enemy, but if you buy a Prius or march in protest against (fill in flavor of the month), then you're absolved of guilt.

The Marxists are masters in manipulating human behavior, not unlike that of sociopath serial killers.

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2014, 08:06:35 AM
It's already underway, under the banner of "White Privilege" and most libs have fallen for it through liberal guilt, which is why the readily go along with whatever PC bull shit the party dishes out.
From AGW, to using energy makes you the enemy, but if you buy a Prius or march in protest against (fill in flavor of the month), then you're absolved of guilt.

The Marxists are masters in manipulating human behavior, not unlike that of sociopath serial killers.

Yeah, but like serial killers believing themselves to be perfect or geniuses they are making lots of mistakes, like electing Progressive Obama instead of a Fabian socialist. And I believe this "white guilt" is their biggest blunder. Except for the already a liberal who falls for PC, and the liberal arts metrosexual men who adhere to political correctness I haven't met anyone who falls for this white guilt shit. It makes sense to have this white guilt crap on college campuses when discussing it with feminist men who are already on the left but outside the college bubble people don't like it because it is nonsense and insulting.

It is a very good strategy to say i.e "Aren't you tired of working hard for some rich assholes who use corruption to get to the top and then has mansions, several fancy cars and is living the life while you struggle trying to build your suburban American dream? Vote for us and we will tax that rich motherf*cker and make life easier for you because you deserve it" or just simply "Look at those filthy rich who are not paying their fair share, vote for us and we will tax them and give the proceeds to the poor so you can feel morally superior" or simpler "Vote for us and we give you money".

White guilt says "Hey you are piece of privileged little shit who has it too good because your white race enslaved and colonized poor little brown people, vote for us or you are a racist" is turning scores of people off, most people are not interested in politics, and even though they would vote left just to stick it to the rich guy or out of economic self interest they do not like someone telling they are privileged when they are barely struggling to pay taxes and buy food every month, or that they are filthy racist because their distant relative presumably but highly unlikely was part of a colonial expedition or a slave owner.

Edit: Of course white guilt is perfect for getting non-white votes, and this makes the politicization of ethnicity a real fact. The liberals are importing Hispanics illegally simply because they are not white and therefor will buy into white guilt and can then be pandered to with welfare wrapped as a morally justifiable policy because they are poor because of whites oppression in the past.


If this trend continues there will be a a even more ethnic divide marking the cultural divide between the parties, I'm sure white nazis are very happy with this trend, but as a conservative I find it disgusting and very dangerous given the that post-imperial wars in Europe have all been ethnically focused. Like Tboneagain said the Liberals are dependent on divide and conquer to remain in power, but this is fueling racism and ethnic divide to the point where everything i.e Martin Luther King worked for is being undone and it seems in my opinion that democracy will devolve into a African style of democracy where competing ethnic groups fight for the loot of taxation rather than building a country of laws.

Maybe I'm just worrying too much, but what is the logical conclusion of all this?

Old-school eugenics was a favorite article of faith among progressives a century ago.

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 22, 2014, 01:01:40 AM
Yeah, but like serial killers believing themselves to be perfect or geniuses they are making lots of mistakes, like electing Progressive Obama instead of a Fabian socialist. And I believe this "white guilt" is their biggest blunder. Except for the already a liberal who falls for PC, and the liberal arts metrosexual men who adhere to political correctness I haven't met anyone who falls for this white guilt shit. It makes sense to have this white guilt crap on college campuses when discussing it with feminist men who are already on the left but outside the college bubble people don't like it because it is nonsense and insulting.

It is a very good strategy to say i.e "Aren't you tired of working hard for some rich assholes who use corruption to get to the top and then has mansions, several fancy cars and is living the life while you struggle trying to build your suburban American dream? Vote for us and we will tax that rich motherf*cker and make life easier for you because you deserve it" or just simply "Look at those filthy rich who are not paying their fair share, vote for us and we will tax them and give the proceeds to the poor so you can feel morally superior" or simpler "Vote for us and we give you money".

White guilt says "Hey you are piece of privileged little shit who has it too good because your white race enslaved and colonized poor little brown people, vote for us or you are a racist" is turning scores of people off, most people are not interested in politics, and even though they would vote left just to stick it to the rich guy or out of economic self interest they do not like someone telling they are privileged when they are barely struggling to pay taxes and buy food every month, or that they are filthy racist because their distant relative presumably but highly unlikely was part of a colonial expedition or a slave owner.

Edit: Of course white guilt is perfect for getting non-white votes, and this makes the politicization of ethnicity a real fact. The liberals are importing Hispanics illegally simply because they are not white and therefor will buy into white guilt and can then be pandered to with welfare wrapped as a morally justifiable policy because they are poor because of whites oppression in the past.


If this trend continues there will be a a even more ethnic divide marking the cultural divide between the parties, I'm sure white nazis are very happy with this trend, but as a conservative I find it disgusting and very dangerous given the that post-imperial wars in Europe have all been ethnically focused. Like Tboneagain said the Liberals are dependent on divide and conquer to remain in power, but this is fueling racism and ethnic divide to the point where everything i.e Martin Luther King worked for is being undone and it seems in my opinion that democracy will devolve into a African style of democracy where competing ethnic groups fight for the loot of taxation rather than building a country of laws.

Maybe I'm just worrying too much, but what is the logical conclusion of all this?

I think you misunderstood  "White Privilege" and liberal guilt as being White guilt, mot one in the same.

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2014, 05:24:58 AM
I think you misunderstood  "White Privilege" and liberal guilt as being White guilt, mot one in the same.

Isn't it basically the same? White privilege because whites supposedly have built our entire prosperity on the backs of brown slaves and colonial conquest and this is essentially the inherent white guilt=white original sin?

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 22, 2014, 05:59:09 AM
Isn't it basically the same? White privilege because whites supposedly have built our entire prosperity on the backs of brown slaves and colonial conquest and this is essentially the inherent white guilt=white original sin?

There is no such animal as white privilege, but Marxists have convinced anyone who's not white, that it exists, which translates into liberal guilt, because Conservatives could give a shit what other think, especially when it's a lie.
This is why you only have liberal guilt, and not Conservative guilt..

The liberal, in an effort too prove they are in no way connected to oppression, bend over backwards out of assumed guilt, "Liberal Guilt"

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 22, 2014, 05:59:09 AM
Isn't it basically the same? White privilege because whites supposedly have built our entire prosperity on the backs of brown slaves and colonial conquest and this is essentially the inherent white guilt=white original sin?

Most things the Left talks about are constructs, meaning they make shit up as they go along. (See "war on women" as another excellent example.) As Solar correctly pointed out, "white privilege" simply doesn't exist. In fact, it would be quite easy to present an argument that "black privilege" or "colored privilege" (to include brown- and yellow-skinned people) has been a fact of life in this country for fifty years. Consider the fact that the current occupant of the White House is utterly unqualified to hold any position of authority in rational society, yet he has become the POTUS by gaming the "privilege" system since he was a teenager.

"White privilege" is used to imply that advantages and opportunities are widely available to whites that are not available to people of color. Again, it would be child's play to demonstrate that the exact opposite is actually the case. But the fact that it's simply not true has never slowed down the Left. This is anger politics -- divide and conquer -- "THEY have what you ain't got, and you should get pissed off and vote for me."

Using the term "white privilege" is aimed primarily at blacks, but also at others of color; it's used as a shaming tool against whites, to be sure, but the primary target is blacks. We're hearing about "white privilege" right now because there's a very important election in a couple weeks, and the Democrats are shitlessly scared they're gonna lose control of the US Senate. They need every vote they can muster (or manufacture), and blacks are their most reliable voting bloc. THAT is why "white privilege" is suddenly all over the "news."

Quote from: TboneAgain on October 22, 2014, 08:35:00 AM
Most things the Left talks about are constructs, meaning they make shit up as they go along. (See "war on women" as another excellent example.) As Solar correctly pointed out, "white privilege" simply doesn't exist. In fact, it would be quite easy to present an argument that "black privilege" or "colored privilege" (to include brown- and yellow-skinned people) has been a fact of life in this country for fifty years. Consider the fact that the current occupant of the White House is utterly unqualified to hold any position of authority in rational society, yet he has become the POTUS by gaming the "privilege" system since he was a teenager.

"White privilege" is used to imply that advantages and opportunities are widely available to whites that are not available to people of color. Again, it would be child's play to demonstrate that the exact opposite is actually the case. But the fact that it's simply not true has never slowed down the Left. This is anger politics -- divide and conquer -- "THEY have what you ain't got, and you should get pissed off and vote for me."

Using the term "white privilege" is aimed primarily at blacks, but also at others of color; it's used as a shaming tool against whites, to be sure, but the primary target is blacks. We're hearing about "white privilege" right now because there's a very important election in a couple weeks, and the Democrats are shitlessly scared they're gonna lose control of the US Senate. They need every vote they can muster (or manufacture), and blacks are their most reliable voting bloc. THAT is why "white privilege" is suddenly all over the "news."

Excellent Point!!! "affirmative action".

Since no one has control over what ethnicity they were born, it's all a dumb argument.

My understanding of it is just being born white confers privilege upon you.  Not like your choices in life have anything to do with it.

Success still depends on very simple principles.  Get an education, at the very least through high school.  Next is don't get in trouble with the law.  DO NOT produce children you are not mature enough to raise nor have the financial necessities to be a parent. 

Here's a secret no one seems to want to talk about.  You have to ACT a certain way to be perceived as an intelligent human being.  Speak so that everyone understands you.  Dress like you have an ounce of class about you.  More education only HELPS.  Stop blaming others and work hard for what you want. 

The government has imposed "affirmative action" upon white people for no less than 40 years.  I would say there has been MINORITY privilege.  So quit your bitching and take advantage of what is out there.

DaisyJane     

Quote from: DaisyJane on October 22, 2014, 11:17:03 AM
Since no one has control over what ethnicity they were born, it's all a dumb argument.

My understanding of it is just being born white confers privilege upon you.  Not like your choices in life have anything to do with it.

Success still depends on very simple principles.  Get an education, at the very least through high school.  Next is don't get in trouble with the law.  DO NOT produce children you are not mature enough to raise nor have the financial necessities to be a parent. 

Here's a secret no one seems to want to talk about.  You have to ACT a certain way to be perceived as an intelligent human being.  Speak so that everyone understands you.  Dress like you have an ounce of class about you.  More education only HELPS.  Stop blaming others and work hard for what you want. 

The government has imposed "affirmative action" upon white people for no less than 40 years.  I would say there has been MINORITY privilege.  So quit your bitching and take advantage of what is out there.

DaisyJane     

Indeed, that is the solution and every conservative does exactly that.

Race politics will have repercussions, I'm just not entirely sure the liberals know what they are getting us into or even contemplates the ramifications of politicizing ethnicity to the point where everything that is evil is white and white people are born with the sin of being white and has to renounce their culture in order to be deemed non-racist supremacists and black or Hispanic people who deviate from their victimhood born status are race traitors or "white hispanics".

The Government has already ordered 34 million new green cards, like we have been saying on this forum for years only reason for amnesty is obviously to get more welfare dependent voters and to increase the non-white vote by politicizing politics with Republicans are against hispanics. Like seen with those statistics we see the parties are based on different cultures, but thanks to the leftist race focused politics these two cultures are manifested by two different ethnicity's where before both parties where white with minority representation where Republicans are continuing the same model of white majority with a black representation because simply the US is still a white majority country and it doesn't matter what race you are to the Republicans but the Democrats are increasingly becoming a non-white majority party with a white social elite.

In my Europe it has become increasingly clear that the only way to save the nations is to go back to genocide, people are talking about it and leftist politicians are forcing it. If you give free housing and free goods to a certain ethnic group supported by heavily taxing another ethnic group, in Europe case taxing the aboriginal group then you will create a lot resentment and hate. Make the taxed population smaller and by importing scores of refugees which will require more taxation, then the aboriginal populations will eventually fight back.

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2014, 09:13:50 AM
Excellent Point!!! "affirmative action".

Yeah, and if recent history has shown us one thing it is that different ethnic groups in a race focused single nation state experiencing different loot/taxes based on ethnicity you will have eventually civil war/genocide just like Yugoslavia or as we see in the ME, Asia or Africa today.

I knew socialists were evil, I just didn't think liberals were as evil as nazis, naive sure but not evil.

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 23, 2014, 11:49:26 PM
Yeah, and if recent history has shown us one thing it is that different ethnic groups in a race focused single nation state experiencing different loot/taxes based on ethnicity you will have eventually civil war/genocide just like Yugoslavia or as we see in the ME, Asia or Africa today.

I knew socialists were evil, I just didn't think liberals were as evil as nazis, naive sure but not evil.

Liberals are simply tools, "useful idiots" of socialists, and most libs aren't evil, just ignorant of the bigger picture.