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Liberals ARE Big Government
« on: July 08, 2017, 03:06:25 AM »
The is tragic.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/british-left-wing-columnist-were-feral-without-big-government/article/2628014
Susie Boniface, a respected columnist for the left-wing tabloid newspaper The Mirror.
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"The public sector," she explained, "is what stops us from just being a group of individuals who live on a rock in the north sea. The public sector, doing things for other people, is what makes us a society. Without them, we're just feral."
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Of course, there's nothing surprising here. What's surprising is simply how honest Boniface is being. Because this is what many on the intellectual left think.

They (liberals) truly believe that healthy societies require great machinations of state power. That community, family, faith, and friendship are nothing without those who "sort out roundabouts." It's a tragic but telling indictment on their ideology. At its purest level, this ideology is one that does not trust individuals. Unless, that it is, the individuals are true servants of the government faith.

Reminds me of the pony-tailed guy during the Clinton/Bush debate, summarized, 'Who is going to take care of us without big government?'
Liberals aren't just about Big Government, they ARE the Big Government Nannies.   Changing the diapers of the masses, and trying to put diapers on the rest of us, 'You'll thank us some day for trying to wipe your bottom!' 

The Liberal play pen is fenced by over-regulation - it should make sense why Freedom loving individuals loathe Big Government, no matter who is running it.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 07:37:18 PM »
Which liberals? The democrats are the republicans?

The biggest problem with liberals is that they want to regulate human emotion while not understanding human emotion.

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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 08:44:13 PM »
And you still call them "liberals". Why? Liberals stand for small government, while authoritarians stand for big government.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 04:35:11 AM »
And you still call them "liberals". Why? Liberals stand for small government, while authoritarians stand for big government.

Different meanings in the US from Europe. In the US we understand liberals are authoritarians, but they are too cowardly to admit what they really are.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 06:05:03 AM »
And you still call them "liberals". Why? Liberals stand for small government, while authoritarians stand for big government.
As Sup pointed out, libs in North America are Marxist based, Big Govt Authoritarians.
In a sense, you are correct, in that our Founders were classic liberals, and as the nation slowly divided in the following decades, the left usurped the "term liberal" to disguise what they really are, Progressives, Fabian Socialist, another softer term for Marxists.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 07:30:06 PM »
Ok, ok, I understand. The thing is that being liberal can mean to stand for individual liberty and small government, but it can also mean to be open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. But in both cases, it originally excludes big government.

But we have a serious problem with the right in Europe, because they are using so-called "liberals" to prove that individual liberty is wrong, that it is destroying the human society, and that big government is the only solution to save the mankind from individual liberty. They even call Lenin a liberal, like he was the first one to bring individual liberty to Russia, or to bring open-mindedness, which is just ridiculous, knowing how authoritarian and cruel the Bolshevik Revolution was.

Spot the deception or the plot that both sides are creating against individual liberty. The leftists call themselves "liberals" when they are really authoritarians who are against individual liberty and want big government. And then we have the opposite right side which is criticizing the "liberalism" of the left like it was true liberalism that stands for individual liberty, and so they want big government as solutuion against "liberalism". In the end, it means that all sides are fighting for big government, and individual liberty is hated by everyone. That is why you call Europe socialist, which it probably is.

And if I for example say that I stand for individual liberty, they immediately call me a selfish leftist gay atheist drug addict who works for Soros and wants to destroy their culture. Most people don't want to think for themselves, and it is extremely difficult to explain and prove them that individual liberty is not the problem, they honestly believe that individual liberty inevitably leads to gay pride parades, abortions, everyone getting drugged, and losing their religion, etc. Which is just insane to believe, like that without big government regulating our healthy moral behavior, we would have all finished drugged in mass orgies on the streets, and eventually die.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 04:16:11 AM »
Well, this guy was fair, he openly stated he's a classical Marxist-Leninist, which modern liberals indeed are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yay0TWk-Rsg&feature=youtu.be&t=115

In Europe, both on the right and on the left, there is a general belief that small government and individual liberty would make the society weak and unstable, but Europeans like to tuck themselves into irrational philosophies, while ignoring the facts at the same time, and the fact is that the American system of constitutional republic, rule of law, and individual liberty, has historically proven more stable than the European system of big governments, and big government is truly the one who is bringing instability to the society by its perpetual interfering into the lives of individuals, changing the laws from day to day as they are pleased, and causing turmoils and rebellions. That is why America has resisted so far from becoming communist or fascist, but it was a close call with Hillary's presidential candidature.

Another problem is that most languages other than English can't distinguish "liberal", "libertarian", and "libertine", it all translates into "liberal", and so a liberal democrat in Europe could mean a far left Marxist-Leninist, but also a far right capitalist nationalist, depending on the context. And when someone mentions "liberal capitalism", it is a total mess, because neither they nor their listeners can really understand what are they talking about, is it a doctrine of Adam Smith, or neoliberalism, or progressivism.
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Re: Liberals ARE Big Government
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 06:33:47 AM »
Well, this guy was fair, he openly stated he's a classical Marxist-Leninist, which modern liberals indeed are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yay0TWk-Rsg&feature=youtu.be&t=115

In Europe, both on the right and on the left, there is a general belief that small government and individual liberty would make the society weak and unstable, but Europeans like to tuck themselves into irrational philosophies, while ignoring the facts at the same time, and the fact is that the American system of constitutional republic, rule of law, and individual liberty, has historically proven more stable than the European system of big governments, and big government is truly the one who is bringing instability to the society by its perpetual interfering into the lives of individuals, changing the laws from day to day as they are pleased, and causing turmoils and rebellions. That is why America has resisted so far from becoming communist or fascist, but it was a close call with Hillary's presidential candidature.

Another problem is that most languages other than English can't distinguish "liberal", "libertarian", and "libertine", it all translates into "liberal", and so a liberal democrat in Europe could mean a far left Marxist-Leninist, but also a far right capitalist nationalist, depending on the context. And when someone mentions "liberal capitalism", it is a total mess, because neither they nor their listeners can really understand what are they talking about, is it a doctrine of Adam Smith, or neoliberalism, or progressivism.
It's for this reason I try and include Fabianism into the mix. One, because most American's have no clue what it means, and two, most Europeans know it's history and how it came to power and the results of destruction and loss of individual Freedoms and Liberty while growing govt and lulled into a false sense of safety.
This is the connection the DNC has to the mix here in the US, to disguise oneself in Libertines clothing while closing the gate on the sheep's pen. As evidenced in their logo, a wolf ion sheep's clothing.
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