Quote from: daidalos on July 31, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
Who are you to decide who should and should not be voting? That's HER right, not your privilege that you can dole out and take back when you want to do so.

It's called an OPINION.  That's my RIGHT.  And voting is NOT a "right" in the traditional sense of "rights."  People who are as stupid as this woman (if she's as stupid as you portray), SHOULDN'T be voting.

The Founders worried about this very problem. Voting is a PRIVILEGE for the "well informed electorate."

You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast.  The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending.  It was vapor.  The US will spend itself into oblivion.  Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus.  Prepare for the inevitable. 

Quote from: RightEdge on August 01, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast.  The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending.  It was vapor.  The US will spend itself into oblivion.  Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus.  Prepare for the inevitable.

I choose THIS path:

QuoteIf we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak - unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of Hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. ...

Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. -- Patrick Henry

Quote from: RightEdge on August 01, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast.  The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending.  It was vapor.  The US will spend itself into oblivion.  Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus.  Prepare for the inevitable.

The only inevitability, will be the removal of socialists from the GOP.

Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 04:19:14 AM
The only inevitability, will be the removal of socialists from the GOP.

Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?

And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".

The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.

And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 04, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?

And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".

The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.

And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.

Exactly MS! It's why the Libertarian movement has always been a failure, because they wanted to claim  "well I didn't vote for this".
Why can't some learn from the failures of others?

Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2014, 07:58:45 AM
Exactly MS! It's why the Libertarian movement has always been a failure, because they wanted to claim  "well I didn't vote for this".
Why can't some learn from the failures of others?

Absolutely. Let's all promote another third party run by Ralph Nader.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
Absolutely. Let's all promote another third party run by Ralph Nader.

That's worked out soooo well over the years.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 04, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?

And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".

The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.

And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.

"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."

-Tony Robbins

Since the election of Bush 1, we Conservatives have been held hostage by the moderate wing and their political advisers.

They lost what should have been a slam dunk against an unknown Governor from Arkansas. (When was the last time, prior to that, that a popular wartime president ever lost re-election?)

They turned what should have been another slam dunk (Bush v Gore) into a nail biter of an election that almost went to a certifiable nut job!

In 2004, they didn't so much win the election as Kerry's ego lost it for him!

2008, they run a Left of Center Republican in the form of John McCain and in so doing snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. The only hi point of that campaign was the selection of Sarah Palin as VP - the only time McCain's popularity came close to eclipsing that of Obama. And, guess, what? The Republican Establishment and their political adviser class, to this very day, blame McCain's loss on Palin!

2010, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party was DEAD! Then, this grass roots movement, which we've come to know as the Tea Party, took hold. They ran candidates on the Republican ticket (which I believe was a mistake) and were able to wrest control of the House from the Democrats. 

However, did the Republican Establishment see the errors of their ways?

Not bloody likely!

2012, the Republican Establishment and their Political Adviser Class, ran the same damned milquetoast, middle of the road loser the have run since Bush 1 and, surprise, surprise, guess what happened?

An incompetent, scandal ridden, loser of a president who is the architect of the worst economy since the Great Depression, cruised to an easy win over his Republican Challenger. Not only that, but their refusal to support Tea Party candidates, assured us of NOT winning the Senate and actually loosing seats in the House!

And yet, this is the same damned party and the same damned leadership we are supposed to come out again and, like mind numbed robots support again in both 2014 and 2016?

The Republican Establishment has a stranglehold on the party. They have made it clear that they don't like the Tea Party and will only tolerate their presence, as long as it serves to advance their own agenda. There is no way in hell they will ever allow the Tea Party any type of meaningful power within the party.

Just like in the House, Boehner and the boys, hold the power of the purse within the Party. However, unlike the House, the Republican Establishment is not shy about using that power to ensure they get their way!

There will never be the wave of influx of Tea Party Republicans so many of here dream of because the Republican Establishment has proven, via their actions in Mississippi and elsewhere that they will not, repeat not, support those types of candidates. And, in fact, they will actively oppose and subvert Tea Party candidate's campaigns.

The Narcotic Anonymous basic text has this to say about this type of behavior: Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.

The Republican Party is one bad drug and the only way to kick it is going cold turkey!

-Darth

If the financial and logistical barriers were removed, would you then be ok with rejecting the 2 party system?

Quote from: Freedom4Ever on August 11, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
If the financial and logistical barriers were removed, would you then be ok with rejecting the 2 party system?

How so?

Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2014, 05:57:50 PM
How so?

Nice name 

Quote from: taxed on August 11, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Nice name 

Kinda rings a bell...Now what was that moniker? Hmmm, I think it was Con 4...something or other.

Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Kinda rings a bell...Now what was that moniker? Hmmm, I think it was Con 4...something or other.

We had a Reagan4ever I think as well...

Quote from: taxed on August 11, 2014, 08:49:51 PM
We had a Reagan4ever I think as well...