Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
One other point about your frustration in Utah. Read the article Taxed posted in the OP:

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/

Get involved, make serious changes, there's no reason to let these scum get away with it any longer.
I'm joining the one in my county.

Perhaps you aren't quite understanding.  Candidates need to "qualify" in order to be included on the ballot and each state has different ballot access laws.  Obviously, a candidate needs to be on the ballot in every state or he/she will never make it.  That's the first hurdle. 

Secondly, keep in mind that statistically there are approximately 63 million registered Democrats and approximately 47 million registered Republicans and 32 million registered Independents. We have an electoral process with the President and VP being elected by electors not individual votes by voters.  Electors are usually pledged to a particular presidential and vice presidential candidates, though unpledged electors are possible.

Thirdly, I am not aware of any 3rd party or 3rd party candidate that would be able to raise enough money to campaign and compete with the money raised by the 2 major parties.

Last, there is no rule that states that the MSM has to allow a candidate to participate in the debates.  Ron Paul is a perfect example; even though he was clearly a viable candidate he was omitted from several debates.

So...with all due respect, and as much as I would love to see a 3rd party candidate seated in the White House, it's just not going to happen this election.

Quote from: suzziY on July 26, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
Perhaps you aren't quite understanding.  Candidates need to "qualify" in order to be included on the ballot and each state has different ballot access laws.  Obviously, a candidate needs to be on the ballot in every state or he/she will never make it.  That's the first hurdle. 

Secondly, keep in mind that statistically there are approximately 63 million registered Democrats and approximately 47 million registered Republicans and 32 million registered Independents. We have an electoral process with the President and VP being elected by electors not individual votes by voters.  Electors are usually pledged to a particular presidential and vice presidential candidates, though unpledged electors are possible.

Thirdly, I am not aware of any 3rd party or 3rd party candidate that would be able to raise enough money to campaign and compete with the money raised by the 2 major parties.

Last, there is no rule that states that the MSM has to allow a candidate to participate in the debates.  Ron Paul is a perfect example; even though he was clearly a viable candidate he was omitted from several debates.

So...with all due respect, and as much as I would love to see a 3rd party candidate seated in the White House, it's just not going to happen this election.

That had nothing to do with what I posted, did you accidentally post to me instead Darth?

ooops - my bad.

Quote from: suzziY on July 26, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
ooops - my bad.

Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2014, 08:11:42 AM
Who elects your delegates?

This is a pretty good, concise description of the system - it really is a grass roots process, soon to be replaced by a big money process that favors the Republican Establishment:

[iFor most of its history, Utah has used a convention-primary system to nominate candidates for elected office. In the spring of general election years, citizens in small caucus meetings held throughout the state elect delegates to represent them at county and state conventions. At the state conventions, delegates nominate candidates to compete for their party's nomination in the primary election, or, if a candidate receives enough votes, they receive the nomination outright and proceed straight to the general election.[/i]

-Darth

Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
We get a lot of people coming through here touting the wonders of a 3rd party.
But what few seem to realize, is there is 34, 3rd party affiliations in the US.

So in truth, if the TEA were to become an official party, it would be a 35th party.
But if that isn't enough to convince you that it's a completely idiotic idea, how about the fact that it would literally split the GOP and ensure the Marxists retain power.

Are you so angry that you're willing to destroy the country, just to teach the RINO a lesson?
How about redirecting that anger into something constructive, like stealing the GOP for our selves, the TEA.

One other point, the TEA does not have the financial backing that would allow it to be on every state ballot in the Nation, think about that when it comes time to buy TV ads.

For more, go to Ballotpeda.
http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

Yes, true there are many many parties in our system. Which is why I grit my teeth every time I hear some talking head on the tube, talking about our two party system.

That said solar, I think that if more people knew that there were many many political parties out there, and that no America is NOT a two party system, that yes they can indeed vote for someone other than just a dim or a rino, then we would see way more support for other choices than just the dims or the repubics.

I mean believe it or not I've actually met, and spoken to Americans who thought we have a two party system, who thought you must vote either Dim or Repub....I've also met some who thought, seriously thought, that they must vote Dim too.

Because of get this, their skin color.

Now hmmm, gee, I wonder who it was that told these individuals and their families that whopper of a lie.

Oh that's right, the Democrats did, back in the sixties in the deep south.

Shocked? I know, I was too when I first learned this. But yep it did happen, Democrat agitators would go down in the deep south during the fifties and sixties, to "register people to vote" only when they would register them, they also would lie to them and tell them that they have to vote Dimocrap all the time, forever.

God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.

Quote from: daidalos on July 27, 2014, 05:35:59 PM

God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.

She really shouldn't be voting.

Quote from: daidalos on July 27, 2014, 05:35:59 PM
Yes, true there are many many parties in our system. Which is why I grit my teeth every time I hear some talking head on the tube, talking about our two party system.

That said solar, I think that if more people knew that there were many many political parties out there, and that no America is NOT a two party system, that yes they can indeed vote for someone other than just a dim or a rino, then we would see way more support for other choices than just the dims or the repubics.

I mean believe it or not I've actually met, and spoken to Americans who thought we have a two party system, who thought you must vote either Dim or Repub....I've also met some who thought, seriously thought, that they must vote Dim too.

Because of get this, their skin color.

Now hmmm, gee, I wonder who it was that told these individuals and their families that whopper of a lie.

Oh that's right, the Democrats did, back in the sixties in the deep south.

Shocked? I know, I was too when I first learned this. But yep it did happen, Democrat agitators would go down in the deep south during the fifties and sixties, to "register people to vote" only when they would register them, they also would lie to them and tell them that they have to vote Dimocrap all the time, forever.

God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.

If I'm not mistaken, there is like three Conservative party's, and one actually calls themselves the Conservative party.
I'm not certain how their platforms vary, but these people really need to merge into one.

This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.

Quote from: Schamblee7 on July 29, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.

Nah...  Shun the weasel.

Stay focused on November.  Assembly works best when it catches the MSM off-guard. 

Quote from: Schamblee7 on July 29, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.

There's an NCIS marathon running that weekend, but let me know how that goes...

Quote from: Solar on July 27, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
If I'm not mistaken, there is like three Conservative party's, and one actually calls themselves the Conservative party.
I'm not certain how their platforms vary, but these people really need to merge into one.

While I like to consider myself as "independent" as who I will cast a vote for greatly depends on the individual as well as their character or lack thereof as in the case with Obama for example.

I personally would have to say I'm probably closest to a Constitutionalist, as in the Constitutional party (see here: or=red]http://www.constitutionparty.com/#[/color] )

But you are right on Solar. There are many, many many, third parties already existent.

Given that so many parties already do exist clearly the "answer" is not for more parties.

I really believe that the answer to every last "issue" facing our nation today is the judicious use of our vote.

We the people voted ourseleves into the mess our nation is in today.

We can vote our way out of it too.

Granted it will take the rest of your life, and my life, and that of our children and their children too.

But if we as a nation stick with it, stick to our guns.

And insist on only casting our votes in the affirmative when the person seeking high office is one of character, moral conscience, and adherence to our law and our Constitution.

IN PRACTICE while they are in Washington D.C. casting their votes.

Then I truly believe we can vote ourselves out of the mess we have voted ourselves into.

Because, I believe, that is THE only choice we have. The alternatives, an end of our nation, or a fractured nation in the midst of a civil war, are and would be unthinkable.

As bad as our civil war was, and it really was a bad, terrible bloody war.

With the weapons of today, that would look a lovers quarrel.

I'll make a deal and a promise.

If after the dust settles from the November election and the new Congress is sworn in, we find that 1) Republicans still, at least, hold the House, and 2) Boehner is booted out as Speaker, I will believe that there is hope for the Republican Party and you will never hear me mention a 3rd party ever again.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 31, 2014, 12:53:48 PM
I'll make a deal and a promise.

If after the dust settles from the November election and the new Congress is sworn in, we find that 1) Republicans still, at least, hold the House, and 2) Boehner is booted out as Speaker, I will believe that there is hope for the Republican Party and you will never hear me mention a 3rd party ever again.

-Darth

Don't expect immediate change, wrangling for votes in a power struggle could take time, but be assured, when you see the party take a hard RIGHT turn, the writing is on the wall, and it'll be only a matter of time before the purge begins.

Quote from: carlb on July 27, 2014, 06:23:08 PM
She really shouldn't be voting.

Who are you to decide who should and should not be voting? That's HER right, not your privilege that you can dole out and take back when you want to do so.