Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
The fact that Conservatives are the majority in the country, as they were in the 1800s.
Nothing has changed, except for the fact that history is about to repeat itself.
The Whigs as, GOP are splitting,  and the Conservative base has the power, the only difference today, is TEA will steal an existing party, rather than start anew.

When the right loses it's moral core, it collapses, just as the Whigs did.

Nobody is suggesting we jettison our "moral core" however, I think we need the threat of a 3rd party to, if you excuse the expression, put the fear of God into the Republican Establishment!

Really, that is all I'm saying.

I'd love to vote for a Republican in 2016, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for another Bush!

-Darth

"You" had the chance to put the fear of God into the Republican Party when Kentucky voted in the Republican Party. You failed. Maybe a little more resolve in November???

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
Nobody is suggesting we jettison our "moral core" however, I think we need the threat of a 3rd party to, if you excuse the expression, put the fear of God into the Republican Establishment!

Really, that is all I'm saying.

I'd love to vote for a Republican in 2016, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for another Bush!

-Darth

You don't think the GOP isn't already scared shit less of TEA?
They're even more afraid of them than the Marxists Dims are, and they used the IRS and DOJ as weapons against us.

Believe me, a 3rd party is exactly what the Dims want, because it splits the vote keeping them in power, and the RINO would love it because they know they have all the financial backing locked up, which would leave the TEA as the 35th 3rd party left to fade into oblivion, just like Perot's movement did so very long ago..

Hell, just the organizing alone per state is mind boggling just to get on the ballot, then there's the issue of candidates and their need for backing.
Nope, 3rd party is the worst thing we could do at this point, considering the momentum TEA has already garnered.
All that would be lost.

Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
You don't think the GOP isn't already scared shit less of TEA?
They're even more afraid of them than the Marxists Dims are, and they used the IRS and DOJ as weapons against us.

Believe me, a 3rd party is exactly what the Dims want, because it splits the vote keeping them in power, and the RINO would love it because they know they have all the financial backing locked up, which would leave the TEA as the 35th 3rd party left to fade into oblivion, just like Perot's movement did so very long ago..

Hell, just the organizing alone per state is mind boggling just to get on the ballot, then there's the issue of candidates and their need for backing.
Nope, 3rd party is the worst thing we could do at this point, considering the momentum TEA has already garnered.
All that would be lost.

I respectfully disagree!

ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.

It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.

Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!


-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:42:40 PM


I respectfully disagree!

ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.

It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.

Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!


-Darth

Surrender is not an option, so you can forget that crap!
Because that's all it would be, failure to achieve the ultimate goal of takeover, as in winning the war, and yes, this is war for control over the future of the Nation and killing off the socialists within the party!

Let's break this down to what it is really about. Branding. Name recognition. This isn't any different than a small start up car company trying to compete with the big names. They can't get the funding and they don't have the cash available to compete nationally.

The Tea Party is the strongest of all the "third" parties but it could take decades to match the Republican infrastructure. So what we are doing is trying to carve out a new majority in a party that is centuries old and decades into being Democrat-lite.

And we are succeeding. In fact we are years ahead of where many of us thought we would be. We have matured. We no longer have a knee jerk reaction to anyone who says what we want to hear. (We loved Chris Christie for about a month because he has what we wished all our Reps had. Balls). We are now at a point where we accept that politics plays a big part of it. We have to pick our candidates carefully. Being a true Conservative is great but if you used to be a witch or have a habit of saying really dumb things then we can't have you because you won't get elected. That's reality.

I can't say for sure how long it is going to take but November will let us know. Something is happening and it's not good for the left and Obama is reason. I don't know where we are going over the next two years but when 2017 comes around I can't see the Democrats being an issue. They have marginalized themselves. I'm not sure if we are ready but we are in a better position than ever before and we have the right people to do it.

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:42:40 PM


I respectfully disagree!

Shocker!

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ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.

No it isn't.  That's silly.

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It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.

That's because they know people like yourself will refuse to learn solutions about how to take the party back.

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Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!

"Yessah, massa!  I don'ts want's to learns nuttin' about 'lectin no precinct committeemen!!"

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 25, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Let's break this down to what it is really about. Branding. Name recognition. This isn't any different than a small start up car company trying to compete with the big names. They can't get the funding and they don't have the cash available to compete nationally.

The Tea Party is the strongest of all the "third" parties but it could take decades to match the Republican infrastructure. So what we are doing is trying to carve out a new majority in a party that is centuries old and decades into being Democrat-lite.

And we are succeeding. In fact we are years ahead of where many of us thought we would be. We have matured. We no longer have a knee jerk reaction to anyone who says what we want to hear. (We loved Chris Christie for about a month because he has what we wished all our Reps had. Balls). We are now at a point where we accept that politics plays a big part of it. We have to pick our candidates carefully. Being a true Conservative is great but if you used to be a witch or have a habit of saying really dumb things then we can't have you because you won't get elected. That's reality.

I can't say for sure how long it is going to take but November will let us know. Something is happening and it's not good for the left and Obama is reason. I don't know where we are going over the next two years but when 2017 comes around I can't see the Democrats being an issue. They have marginalized themselves. I'm not sure if we are ready but we are in a better position than ever before and we have the right people to do it.

A cart manufacturer is a great analogy, because the big three have Congress in their pocket, a bit of a reversal to the TEA, where we'e want to be the, so to speak, pocket.
But it's still the same fight, a fixed playing field, with dealerships in all states and mkts carved out accordingly.

Yes, it's exactly what we're trying to do, force a buyout, not a merger.
Threatening the RINO with a start up company is akin to a mosquito on the other side of the screen, she ain't a commin in.

Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2014, 04:40:21 AM
Shocker!
No it isn't.  That's silly.
That's because they know people like yourself will refuse to learn solutions about how to take the party back.
"Yessah, massa!  I don'ts want's to learns nuttin' about 'lectin no precinct committeemen!!"

Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.

We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.

It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).

How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!

In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.

It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)

It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.

We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.

It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).

How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!

In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.

It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)

It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.

-Darth

Who elects your delegates?

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.

We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.

It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).

How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!

In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.

It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)

It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.

-Darth

They may not have the power after Nov.
Keep in mind, majority rules, and if TEA pulls even in the party, the rest will follow TEA, giving us majority vote and completely decimating the socialists power they currently hold.

In other words the RINO will literally cease to exist.

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 08:25:57 AM
They may not have the power after Nov.
Keep in mind, majority rules, and if TEA pulls even in the party, the rest will follow TEA, giving us majority vote and completely decimating the socialists power they currently hold.

In other words the RINO will literally cease to exist.

Hmm... You will always have RINO in my life time.     It would be nice to see them go before I do. 

Quote from: walkstall on July 26, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Hmm... You will always have RINO in my life time.     It would be nice to see them go before I do. 

Like Marxists, they will always walk among us, but that doesn't mean they'll have any say in the GOP after were through with them.

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 08:48:29 AM
Like Marxists, they will always walk among us, but that doesn't mean they'll have any say in the GOP after were through with them.

Mother always said don't grow up like Lucifer. 

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.

We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.

It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).

How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!

In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.

It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)

It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.

-Darth

One other point about your frustration in Utah. Read the article Taxed posted in the OP:

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/

Get involved, make serious changes, there's no reason to let these scum get away with it any longer.
I'm joining the one in my county.