Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses

Started by carlb, September 03, 2015, 10:51:12 AM

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carlb

You'll never get compliance from the president until you get a Congress that enforces that oath on our president and the Supreme Court. If they all work together to ignore that oath, then we have no hope.

BTW, there are a few. Maybe 1-2 percent that I trust.

walkstall

Quote from: Montanamike on September 07, 2015, 09:04:19 AM
If you haven't noticed, the Constitution is meaningless to ALL politicians.......and  a good percentage of the so-called "American" public.

Well I would not go that far.   :lol:   NOT all politicians.  But most politicians use it only when it fit there agenda on both side of the fence.   I would say most Americans 45 and older, the Constitution is not meaningless.  Government/judges and Lib's has made it meaningless.
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kroz

Should we then admit that we no longer live under a Constitutional Republic?

We already live under tyranny.  We are just slow to admit it.

carlb

Mark Levin calls our time "Post Constitutional America." I'm surprised anyone would argue that. We need to work even harder making wise choices this election cycle.

kroz

Quote from: carlb on September 07, 2015, 09:57:53 AM
Mark Levin calls our time "Post Constitutional America." I'm surprised anyone would argue that. We need to work even harder making wise choices this election cycle.

Agreed.   :biggrin:

We are compelled to keep trying to restore our Republic.

zewazir

Quote from: kroz on September 07, 2015, 09:38:51 AM
Should we then admit that we no longer live under a Constitutional Republic?

We already live under tyranny.  We are just slow to admit it.
We are living under the equivalent, though both sides are still forced, in some limited instances, to acknowledge the Constitution still exists. But if the People do not wake up within the next major election cycle - two max - we will never get back to our Republic without a lot of blood feeding the tree of liberty.

Jarlaxle

Quote from: carlb on September 03, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
Also, this woman's job description changed. It would be a little different IF she went into the job knowing shed be issuing "marriage" licenses to Adam & Steve, but she's been there for 20 years. Who knew the country would sink this low?  Well, I did.

Then she should have resigned.  If she won't either do her job or resign...honestly, I say lock her up until the end of her term and fine her into penury.
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Solar

Quote from: zewazir on September 07, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
We are living under the equivalent, though both sides are still forced, in some limited instances, to acknowledge the Constitution still exists. But if the People do not wake up within the next major election cycle - two max - we will never get back to our Republic without a lot of blood feeding the tree of liberty.
Yep, those truly are the only two options left.
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carlb

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 07, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
Then she should have resigned.  If she won't either do her job or resign...honestly, I say lock her up until the end of her term and fine her into penury.

You really don't understand the issues involved, do you. So far, that make two here who don't get the deeper principles involved.

Solar

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 07, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
Then she should have resigned.  If she won't either do her job or resign...honestly, I say lock her up until the end of her term and fine her into penury.
Lets assume a law was passed that outlawed you right to voice an opinion on the issue. Would you follow a bad law?
That's what this is, a usurpation of the Constitution, where SCOTUS actually wrote law and bypassed Congress to do it.
Read the First Amendment and understand exactly what it says about :Laws, Congress and Religion".
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Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2015, 11:34:48 AM
Lets assume a law was passed that outlawed you right to voice an opinion on the issue. Would you follow a bad law?
That's what this is, a usurpation of the Constitution, where SCOTUS actually wrote law and bypassed Congress to do it.
Read the First Amendment and understand exactly what it says about :Laws, Congress and Religion".
There is a reason the Founders believed it should be the First in a list of Ten, followed by our ability to defend them.
As a Christian yes, I would obey the law of the land I live in. Doesn't mean I would not do everything I could within the law to change that law though.

That's the deeper principle at play here CarlB. We the peons in this nation don't pick and choose which laws we will obey and which we  won't.

Many here scream to high heaven every time Obama does it. Yet now, because a woman who has clearly ignored the scripture when it's suited her to do so. Does so claiming Christianity and we'
re all supposed to feel sorry for her? WTF? Either the law is the law, to be applied to everyone across the board.

Or we don't live under a system of laws. That simple.

Oh and yes refusing to adhere and abide by a court order IS a crime. It is called contempt of court.
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Solar

Quote from: daidalos on September 07, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
As a Christian yes, I would obey the law of the land I live in. Doesn't mean I would not do everything I could within the law to change that law though.

That's the deeper principle at play here CarlB. We the peons in this nation don't pick and choose which laws we will obey and which we  won't.

Many here scream to high heaven every time Obama does it. Yet now, because a woman who has clearly ignored the scripture when it's suited her to do so. Does so claiming Christianity and we'
re all supposed to feel sorry for her? WTF? Either the law is the law, to be applied to everyone across the board.

Or we don't live under a system of laws. That simple.

Oh and yes refusing to adhere and abide by a court order IS a crime. It is called contempt of court.
Before I tare you a new one over your blatant ignorance, you still have yet to give me an answer on my earlier post.
So get to it! As follows...

Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Show me where the Govt is in the right.
You do realize, only Congress can write laws, right?
Did Congress violate the First? No, so how was it possible for SCOTUS to write law?
Come on Daidalos, you can do it, use that critical thinking, and give us a reasonable answering explaining how the govt had the right to do what they did.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
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Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2015, 12:06:37 PM
Before I tare you a new one over your blatant ignorance, you still have yet to give me an answer on my earlier post.
So get to it! As follows...
ONLY Congress can Write law!!!
It did when it wrote the equal protection clause. And when it later passed the DomAct. As I've said time and time again, had the Congress kept it's nose out of the marriage business to start with. There would never have been the door opened to start with.

However Congress didn't, Congress decided to interject itself into the situation. And once the Supremes got involved, and now that's the law of the land. If we don't like that, we are totally free to continue going to church, and lobby to effect a change in the law.

We are not however, nor has any American ever been, free to simply ignore the law, because we don't agree with, or like it.

And yes, even when those laws, are contrary to our religious sensibilities.

For example, take abortion. Most Christians are, vehemently against the practice of abortion.

And yet, if those same Christians go and blow up the abortion clinic, to kill those who are performing abortions, we put them in jail as murderers.

Yet to hear some tell it now, in this instance, since they were acting on their religiously held belief, they shouldn't be in prison for murdering the Abortion Dr. That's what those who try to defend this clerk are saying.



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carlb

Quote from: daidalos on September 07, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
As a Christian yes, I would obey the law of the land I live in. Doesn't mean I would not do everything I could within the law to change that law though.

That's the deeper principle at play here CarlB. We the peons in this nation don't pick and choose which laws we will obey and which we  won't.

Many here scream to high heaven every time Obama does it. Yet now, because a woman who has clearly ignored the scripture when it's suited her to do so. Does so claiming Christianity and we'
re all supposed to feel sorry for her? WTF? Either the law is the law, to be applied to everyone across the board.

Or we don't live under a system of laws. That simple.

Oh and yes refusing to adhere and abide by a court order IS a crime. It is called contempt of court.

Yeah, you're the other one. You seem "wedded" to this gay "marriage" issue. In this case, you seem to want Big Government to enforce your will on us "peons." Thru law created by the Supreme Court.

No, here's the deeper issue you choose to ignore in your support of gay "marriage."

QuoteThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This "law" is not legitimate. It's not even a law. The Supremes, in their infinite compassion, simply decided to grant rights where none existed before, and to change the DEFINITION of words to fit their agenda. There is no law on this except in the KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION. The feds opinion is irrelevant.

carlb

Quote from: daidalos on September 07, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
It did when it wrote the equal protection clause. And when it later passed the DomAct. As I've said time and time again, had the Congress kept it's nose out of the marriage business to start with. There would never have been the door opened to start with.

However Congress didn't, Congress decided to interject itself into the situation. And once the Supremes got involved, and now that's the law of the land. If we don't like that, we are totally free to continue going to church, and lobby to effect a change in the law.

We are not however, nor has any American ever been, free to simply ignore the law, because we don't agree with, or like it.

And yes, even when those laws, are contrary to our religious sensibilities.

For example, take abortion. Most Christians are, vehemently against the practice of abortion.

And yet, if those same Christians go and blow up the abortion clinic, to kill those who are performing abortions, we put them in jail as murderers.

Yet to hear some tell it now, in this instance, since they were acting on their religiously held belief, they shouldn't be in prison for murdering the Abortion Dr. That's what those who try to defend this clerk are saying.

I have no doubt you would. If I were on the jury, they would walk. Ultimately WE decide. It'sccalled jury nullification.