Ky. clerk jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses

Started by carlb, September 03, 2015, 10:51:12 AM

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Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 07, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
No...I would resign my position in order to not do so.

How would they ever fill that drive-through position?
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The real issue is the punishment and if the gay couples were actually denied anything.

zewazir

Quote from: daidalos on September 08, 2015, 12:29:00 PM
What law is unconstitutional? The equal protection clause of the Constitution? That is what the Supreme court ruled on. This argument that something unconstitutional is going on, is bogus. The facts are, the Supreme court is the body that interprets the meaning of the Constitution. Not the perv hiring Tony Perkins of the Family rights council, nor this Clerk in Ky.
You can't even answer a simple hypothetical question? What's wrong? No oxygen inside the donkey's ass?  Do you even understand the CONCEPT of hypothetical question? Or has sniffing all those donkey farts with your head up its ass fried what you laughingly call brain cells?

The FACTS are the Constitution says what it says.  THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION other than what is actually written. What the Supreme Court is SUPPOSED to do is COMPARE written laws with what is written in the Constitution. This "interpretation" crap is just the humanist progressive end run around the Constitution.

You want REAL facts instead of your liberal twaddle?  The FACTS are, there are no phrases, nor clauses, nor words, nor even implications which give federal authority over the definition of marriage.  NONE.  The FACTS are, there IS a section which SPECIFICALLY states that powers which are NOT SPECIFICALLY granted the federal government are RESERVED TO THE STATES OR THE PEOPLE.

Since there is nothing that grants federal authority to define marriage, then that power is reserved to the states. That is a FACT. The People of Kentucky (you know, government of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE)** chose to write the definition of marriage. ANY FEDERAL INTERFERENCE WITH THAT DEFINITION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That INCLUDES the Supreme Court.  Therefore ALL ACTIONS taken against the states with respect to the bogus, tyrannical, unconstitutional, and just plain WRONG Supreme Court decision are also unconstitutional.

As far as "equal protection" clause, name ONE WAY that marriage laws treat homosexuals differently. Under Kentucky's state constitution, NO ONE can marry a person of the same gender. Under Kentucky law, no one can marry their own children, either, nor nieces, nor nephews, nor 1st cousins, etc. etc. etc.  There are NUMEROUS limitations on whom can marry whom, so the "discrimination" cries are, (as is typical of humanist progressives) just so many lies.

Bottom line: the Supreme Court acted in a manner which is unconstitutional.  The federal judge who ordered Kim Davis to violate Kentucky law, and then jailed her for not doing as the petty tyrant commanded acted in a manner which is unconstitutional.

**As you and your sorry tyranny loving ilk have repeatedly demonstrated, you ONLY believe in "Government of the People, by the People, and for the People" if and only if the People agree with your scum sucking humanist principles. You claim to support democracy, and the voice of the People, but cry huge crocodile tears and lie, cheat, steal and murder if the democratic principle does not give you what you want.

Solar

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
One more time:  how does the fact that two men can get married affect YOU.
It has nothing to do with marriage, and everything to do with the Fed stepping on States Rights.
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walkstall

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
One more time:  how does the fact that two men can get married affect YOU.

For me.  I just ROTFLMAF.
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je_freedom

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
One more time:  how does the fact that two men can get married affect YOU.

The fact that they can get married is not the question that is being forced on all of us.
What is being forced on us is MANDATORY PARTICIPATION!

The couple in Oregon drove 15 miles out of their way, past numerous bake shops,
to find a target they could sue.

The media scoured all of Indiana to find a pizzeria in a tiny, speck-on-the-map village,
and imported a rent-a-mob to shut them down.
They attacked this pizzeria over a HYPOTHETICAL "discrimination." 
No couple had actually requested their pizza for a wedding reception!

The federal government, with NO authority from the Constitution,
is usurping from the states a power that the Constitution
clearly reserves "to the states, or to the people" - the power to define marriage.

The Supreme Court has legislated from the bench
a law that even the federal legislature may not legislate!

The Supreme Court has short-circuited the legislative process!
The Supreme Court abolished the broader public discourse process
of society deciding its culture.

This ruling ranks right up there with Dred Scott on the list of lawless abominations!

Oh, and by the way, official recognition by the government, on our behalf,
of something so especially offensive to God, brings his wrath on all of us.
Every nation in history that has openly accepted homosexuality,
and not at least kept it in the shadows, was violently destroyed.
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keyboarder

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Quote from: zewazir on September 08, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
You can't even answer a simple hypothetical question? What's wrong? No oxygen inside the donkey's ass?  Do you even understand the CONCEPT of hypothetical question? Or has sniffing all those donkey farts with your head up its ass fried what you laughingly call brain cells?

The FACTS are the Constitution says what it says.  THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION other than what is actually written. What the Supreme Court is SUPPOSED to do is COMPARE written laws with what is written in the Constitution. This "interpretation" crap is just the humanist progressive end run around the Constitution.

You want REAL facts instead of your liberal twaddle?  The FACTS are, there are no phrases, nor clauses, nor words, nor even implications which give federal authority over the definition of marriage.  NONE.  The FACTS are, there IS a section which SPECIFICALLY states that powers which are NOT SPECIFICALLY granted the federal government are RESERVED TO THE STATES OR THE PEOPLE.

Since there is nothing that grants federal authority to define marriage, then that power is reserved to the states. That is a FACT. The People of Kentucky (you know, government of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE)** chose to write the definition of marriage. ANY FEDERAL INTERFERENCE WITH THAT DEFINITION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That INCLUDES the Supreme Court.  Therefore ALL ACTIONS taken against the states with respect to the bogus, tyrannical, unconstitutional, and just plain WRONG Supreme Court decision are also unconstitutional.

As far as "equal protection" clause, name ONE WAY that marriage laws treat homosexuals differently. Under Kentucky's state constitution, NO ONE can marry a person of the same gender. Under Kentucky law, no one can marry their own children, either, nor nieces, nor nephews, nor 1st cousins, etc. etc. etc.  There are NUMEROUS limitations on whom can marry whom, so the "discrimination" cries are, (as is typical of humanist progressives) just so many lies.

Bottom line: the Supreme Court acted in a manner which is unconstitutional.  The federal judge who ordered Kim Davis to violate Kentucky law, and then jailed her for not doing as the petty tyrant commanded acted in a manner which is unconstitutional.

**As you and your sorry tyranny loving ilk have repeatedly demonstrated, you ONLY believe in "Government of the People, by the People, and for the People" if and only if the People agree with your scum sucking humanist principles. You claim to support democracy, and the voice of the People, but cry huge crocodile tears and lie, cheat, steal and murder if the democratic principle does not give you what you want.

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walkstall

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis Isn't Kentucky's Only Gay Marriage Holdout

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There are three county clerks in Kentucky who have refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. But only one of them, Rowan County's Kim Davis, has been thrown in jail, celebrated by presidential candidates and become a national symbol of opposition to gay unions.

more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-arent-other-defiant-kentucky-clerks-joining-kim-davis-jail-n423496
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Jarlaxle

Quote from: je_freedom on September 09, 2015, 08:16:01 AM
The fact that they can get married is not the question that is being forced on all of us.
What is being forced on us is MANDATORY PARTICIPATION!

The couple in Oregon drove 15 miles out of their way, past numerous bake shops,
to find a target they could sue.

Public accommodation laws are simply wrong.

QuoteThe media scoured all of Indiana to find a pizzeria in a tiny, speck-on-the-map village,
and imported a rent-a-mob to shut them down.
They attacked this pizzeria over a HYPOTHETICAL "discrimination." 
No couple had actually requested their pizza for a wedding reception!

The federal government, with NO authority from the Constitution,
is usurping from the states a power that the Constitution
clearly reserves "to the states, or to the people" - the power to define marriage.

The Supreme Court has legislated from the bench
a law that even the federal legislature may not legislate!

The Supreme Court has short-circuited the legislative process!
The Supreme Court abolished the broader public discourse process
of society deciding its culture.

Not like it's new, dude.  The Constitution has been pretty much dead for a long time.

QuoteThis ruling ranks right up there with Dred Scott on the list of lawless abominations!

Not even in the top 5 bad decisions in the last century.

QuoteOh, and by the way, official recognition by the government, on our behalf,
of something so especially offensive to God, brings his wrath on all of us.
Every nation in history that has openly accepted homosexuality,
and not at least kept it in the shadows, was violently destroyed.

This is not a theocracy.
I ride a motorcycle because it is much more fun than therapy.

carlb

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 09, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
Public accommodation laws are simply wrong.

Not like it's new, dude.  The Constitution has been pretty much dead for a long time.

Not even in the top 5 bad decisions in the last century
.

This is not a theocracy.

No, its not a theocracy. Nobody said it was. We have  CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC. Honest people know the SC overstepped. Just because you agree with the outcome doesn't make what they did Constitutional.

walkstall

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 09, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
Public accommodation laws are simply wrong.

Not like it's new, dude.  The Constitution has been pretty much dead for a long time.

Not even in the top 5 bad decisions in the last century.

This is not a theocracy.


  Only A Liberal could say and believe that!  Or a Romper Room kid.

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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

je_freedom

Quote from: Jarlaxle on September 09, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
This is not a theocracy.

ALL nations are judged by God, whether they acknowledge Him, or not.

America's founders did what they did out of devotion to God.
America WAS founded as a theocracy, if only in an informal sense.

America's founders kept church and state as separate institutions,
having seen Europe's experience with mixing the two.
(It was another example of the principle of "separation of powers.")

However, America's founders DID look to the Bible
for principles upon which to base American law.

Vermont took it a step farther.
The first act of the Vermont legislature
was to adopt the Bible to be the law of the state!

Early America was a THOROUGHLY Christian nation.
Today's situation of Christians being outsiders in American society
was caused by churches ABANDONING their place in society!

The churches abandoning God is what CAUSED America to abandon the Constitution!
"The old paths" have been abandoned for so long,
"returning to the old paths" is now like blazing a trail through virgin territory!
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walkstall

This post is about set to go into the Religion Forum.
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

je_freedom

The discussion went in that direction
because the Supreme Court inserted itself into defining marriage,
which is essentially a religious sacrament.

Leftists like to argue, "You can't legislate morality!"
But they're not the least bit bashful about legislating THEIR morality!

We have to fight the monster of politics in every realm they choose to invade!
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walkstall

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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."