Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 05:59:37 AM
No argument there, and for your clarification that Trump "should be". I presume a different attitude from Hairzilla than you do. Evidently you presume that his generals would follow him no matter what. There are limits to following bad orders, clearly outlined in the UCMJ. And then (presuming they find the cojones) there is Congress.

We also don't need a military junta. Should Trump go off the rails, they'd be the ones to stop him, anyway. Can you say they definitely would surrender power, once taken?

I think you are putting a pretty big stretch into this subject. How did we get to a military junta from the POTUS expecting our military leaders do what they do best under the president's policies?

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 05:19:07 AM
If 2018 voters continue to pick off RINOs but leave TEA alone, he stands a chance to survive. This presumes that battle-weary deep-pocket Dems forgo the necessary seed money for the 21020 cycle. On the other hand, if Trump's tries to Russia are as deep as some of his immediate associates....

Question, history buffs. Name one government where the military had complete autonomy over a puppet president which DID end well for its citizens. That's what we're up against if all Trump's talk turns out to be crap just like the worthless trash before him.

YEAR CORRECTED

IMHO, how can the biggest red flag been missed by so many?  When Ted was ahead in the polls in IA, Trump went after him and never stopped with lies, deception and insults? Trump had the MSM in his pocket as well as Hannity and Hannity gave him more air time than any other candidate. Trump made a mockery of the campaign process.  I still question whether or not he was simply a siphon for the DEMS.  He's always been a liberal AND perhaps most importantly he did flip-flops on many issues during his campaign.  He obviously made a deal with Priebus and they pushed him through onto the nomination.  Next thing we know Trump is president and he names Priebus as his Chief of Staff.  His reversals should come as absolutely no surprise, he's been doing this since he jumped into the political arena.

Trump has amassed millions for his run in 4 years.  Based on what has already happened in his first 100 days, I'm not so sure he won't be impeached and unfortunately, I don't see us even holding onto the majority in 2018 ... and yes ... Trump's actions have an impact on future races.

Quote from: Solar on April 15, 2017, 06:25:51 AM
Uhh, yeah, that worked out so well in Libya, didn't it?

Okay, what's your point about something that happened under a different president? Really, you lost me. You mean the tent bombing that nearly wasted Quaddafi?

Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 15, 2017, 07:52:31 AM
IMHO, how can the biggest red flag been missed by so many?  When Ted was ahead in the polls in IA, Trump went after him and never stopped with lies, deception and insults? Trump had the MSM in his pocket as well as Hannity and Hannity gave him more air time than any other candidate. Trump made a mockery of the campaign process.  I still question whether or not he was simply a siphon for the DEMS.  He's always been a liberal AND perhaps most importantly he did flip-flops on many issues during his campaign.  He obviously made a deal with Priebus and they pushed him through onto the nomination.  Next thing we know Trump is president and he names Priebus as his Chief of Staff.  His reversals should come as absolutely no surprise, he's been doing this since he jumped into the political arena.

Trump has amassed millions for his run in 4 years.  Based on what has already happened in his first 100 days, I'm not so sure he won't be impeached and unfortunately, I don't see us even holding onto the majority in 2018 ... and yes ... Trump's actions have an impact on future races.

What has he done or not done that is an impeachable offense?

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 09:06:54 AM
Okay, what's your point about something that happened under a different president? Really, you lost me. You mean the tent bombing that nearly wasted Quaddafi?

Reagan, seriously? Did you sleep through Hussein illegally going to war in Libya to kill an elected leader?
Less we not forget Hillary getting 5 people killed, blaming the entire operation on a video, all designed to cover up weapons smuggling.
Yeah, the generals were all over that illegal move and Congress saw to it that Impeachment followed accordingly.

Kind of blows your scenario completely out of the water...

Quote from: Solar on April 15, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Reagan, seriously? Did you sleep through Hussein illegally going to war in Libya to kill an elected leader?
Less we not forget Hillary getting 5 people killed, blaming the entire operation on a video, all designed to cover up weapons smuggling.
Yeah, the generals were all over that illegal move and Congress saw to it that Impeachment followed accordingly.

Kind of blows your scenario completely out of the water...

First, I didn't follow events in Libya. I have no reason for it: I just didn't do it.

Second, I didn't follow any generals being all over (or not all over, if you were sarcastic) during ANYTHING that happened on Obama's watch. They were lying doggo as far as I could tell.

Here,

QuoteLess we not forget Hillary getting 5 people killed, blaming the entire operation on a video, all designed to cover up weapons smuggling.

I hadn't forgotten. It just never came to mind.

Oh, yeah. The U.S. general who dropped that MOAB did not ask for permission to do so. I repeat my thesis that we need to watch our generals for overstepping their bounds.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/us-commander-didnt-ask-permission-to-drop-the-mother-of-all-bombs/article/2620309

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
First, I didn't follow events in Libya. I have no reason for it: I just didn't do it.

Second, I didn't follow any generals being all over (or not all over, if you were sarcastic) during ANYTHING that happened on Obama's watch. They were lying doggo as far as I could tell.

Here,

I hadn't forgotten. It just never came to mind.

Oh, yeah. The U.S. general who dropped that MOAB did not ask for permission to do so. I repeat my thesis that we need to watch our generals for overstepping their bounds.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/us-commander-didnt-ask-permission-to-drop-the-mother-of-all-bombs/article/2620309

Yeah, the Marxist had a leader of a nation executed. Secondly, the Dims claimed the whole thing started over a video, a proven lie, then refused to allow our generals to give the order to save our ambassador and 4 marines, he let them die a horrible death, all the while thinking help would soon be on its way, help stopped by our Marxist CIC.
He then let the enemy escalate their attack while helping the enemy overthrow Qadafi and assassinate him in public, eventually leading to the enemy taking over Libya and giving Alquada a base from which to direct terror plots.
Later we find out it was all a CIA plot to help the enemy attain weapons. Congress sat on its hands and turned a blind eye.

Trump told his generals he wasn't going to micromanage them, that they were free to do what was necessary, within certain constraints along with a mission statement.
This was the point Sup was making, that Trump admits he's out of his league where military strategy is concerned.

Note the difference in the two CIC's, the Marxist told his generals to see to it our enemy would succeed in overthrowing an elected leader (Mission Statement), killed preferably, while helping our enemy. Congress conceded it's duty to enforce the law, or even Impeach after the fact.

One overthrew an entire nation, while the other merely killed the enemy hiding in tunnels.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2017, 09:32:10 AM
What has he done or not done that is an impeachable offense?

I didn't state that he has committed an impeachable offense; I just think it's a matter of time before he does.  For one he has violated nepotism laws.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 15, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
I didn't state that he has committed an impeachable offense; I just think it's a matter of time before he does.  For one he has violated nepotism laws.

This Congress?
They couldn't organize an Easter egg hunt, assuming they got permission from the Dim party first.
They didn't Impeach Obozo, they surely won't mess with Trump. They're nothing but a bunch of leftist RINO cowards.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 15, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
I didn't state that he has committed an impeachable offense; I just think it's a matter of time before he does.  For one he has violated nepotism laws.

Isn't the president exempt from them? What about Bobby Kennedy serving his brother? There is a history of family involvement in the presidency!

Quote from: redbeard on April 15, 2017, 06:13:14 PM
Isn't the president exempt from them? What about Bobby Kennedy serving his brother? There is a history of family involvement in the presidency!

That was different, kennedy was a democrat and dems are exempt from any law.

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2017, 05:45:30 AM
Close!

Meh...  Why does that picture remind me of Rush Limbaugh's Childrens books?