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Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« on: April 14, 2017, 05:19:59 AM »
A couple of quotes here make this one well worth the read....

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  Moreover, the very swiftness of the response carried a message to the wider world. Obama is gone. No more elaborate forensic investigations. No agonized presidential handwringing over the moral dilemmas of a fallen world.

It took Obama 10 months to decide what to do in Afghanistan. It took Trump 63 hours to make Assad pay for his chemical-weapons duplicity.

America demonstrated its capacity for swift, decisive action. And in defense, mind you, of an abstract international norm — a rationale that dramatically overrides the constraints of America First.

Trump’s inaugural address had boldly rejected the 70-year American consensus to bear the burdens of world leadership. Less than three months later, the Syrian raid abruptly changed that course with a renewed interventionism — not, to be sure, in the service of a crusade for democracy, but in the service of concrete strategic objectives, broadly defined and extending far beyond our shores.
 

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The larger lesson is this: In the end, national interest prevails. Populist isolationism sounds great, rouses crowds and may even win elections. But contra White House adviser Steve Bannon, it’s not a governing foreign policy for the United States.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/trump-great-reversal-article-1.3053438

Krauthammer doesn't belabor the point, but "populist isolationism" does not reassign the Carl Vinson carrier group (and an unknown number of submarines) to wait off the coast of North Korea. In comparison, Obama would be drawing yet another red line in the sand. Begging the enemy to notice how wonderful he is, sending billions to our enemies.
 

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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 06:59:16 AM »
Obama - peace through dialog, long winded anti-american speeches & bowing.

Trump - peace through strength.

What Trump is reversing - Obama's historic collapse of America as a world leader.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 11:18:07 AM »
What Trump is reversing - Obama's historic collapse of America as a world leader.

Well, that one becomes problematic for me, because I don't rate Trump as a conservative, but rather someone quickly adapting to old-fashion instant reversals on policy after actually getting elected. That happens on every presidential watch regardless of party during the honeymoon period; Trump merely gets harped-on more by hypocritical media.

Is it good that there are actual military generals with bonafide combat experience, now running the show? Better, surely, than fellatio on our enemies.

But does that make these same four-stars any wiser than, say, any deadbeat dredged up by Hussein of Surrender? I don't know. Imploding a cave in Afghanishithole and killing what --- 28 mussies? Hey, we wiped out a dozen or so of FRIENDLIES and spent only a fraction!


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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 02:58:19 PM »
Well, that one becomes problematic for me, because I don't rate Trump as a conservative, but rather someone quickly adapting to old-fashion instant reversals on policy after actually getting elected. That happens on every presidential watch regardless of party during the honeymoon period; Trump merely gets harped-on more by hypocritical media.

Is it good that there are actual military generals with bonafide combat experience, now running the show? Better, surely, than fellatio on our enemies.

But does that make these same four-stars any wiser than, say, any deadbeat dredged up by Hussein of Surrender? I don't know. Imploding a cave in Afghanishithole and killing what --- 28 mussies? Hey, we wiped out a dozen or so of FRIENDLIES and spent only a fraction!

Quiller, we can rejoice when Trump does the good stuff.   We probably both agree, the days of "rejoicing" over Trump are likely to be fewer and fewer...   I call it healthy skepticism... we just don't know where he'll settle, or if he's likely to settle on *any* political position.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 03:07:06 PM »
Quiller, we can rejoice when Trump does the good stuff.   We probably both agree, the days of "rejoicing" over Trump are likely to be fewer and fewer...   I call it healthy skepticism... we just don't know where he'll settle, or if he's likely to settle on *any* political position.
Agree, we'll take what we can get, considering none of us really expected anything Conservative to come out of a Trump Presidency over the next 4 years anyway.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2017, 04:05:38 AM »
Agree, we'll take what we can get, considering none of us really expected anything Conservative to come out of a Trump Presidency over the next 4 years anyway.

The problem for the GOP is that mention you made "over the next 4 years," and not "through 2024," which implies a second term.

Will they back Trump in 2020? The way the RINO corksockers like Chinless McConnell and Balls-free Ms. Lindsey Graham (thanks, Ruth Bader Ginsburg: the USSC has decided!) behave, can anyone sane expect them to, no matter HOW successful Trump is militarily, when the same media which fawns on RINOs will help the GOP oust the guy the media has already hated for years?

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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2017, 04:47:54 AM »
Agree, we'll take what we can get, considering none of us really expected anything Conservative to come out of a Trump Presidency over the next 4 years anyway.

We are so conditioned to politicians that follow the party line it is difficult to comprehend what is going on when we get a POTUS like Trump. Consequently, as conservatives, we will agree with some of his moves and disagree with others. As long as he puts America first and allows our military to do what they do best I can live with it.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 04:58:13 AM »
The problem for the GOP is that mention you made "over the next 4 years," and not "through 2024," which implies a second term.

Will they back Trump in 2020? The way the RINO corksockers like Chinless McConnell and Balls-free Ms. Lindsey Graham (thanks, Ruth Bader Ginsburg: the USSC has decided!) behave, can anyone sane expect them to, no matter HOW successful Trump is militarily, when the same media which fawns on RINOs will help the GOP oust the guy the media has already hated for years?

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I don't expect a second term.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 05:00:12 AM »
We are so conditioned to politicians that follow the party line it is difficult to comprehend what is going on when we get a POTUS like Trump. Consequently, as conservatives, we will agree with some of his moves and disagree with others. As long as he puts America first and allows our military to do what they do best I can live with it.

Let's see...where in all of human history have we seen the times when a military junta uses a puppet front man? Better question: will we HAVE a military junta if Trump decides to go fully independent, the very trait you seem to like here. (Not attacking, just observing.)

The purpose of the true conservative is to preserve what is good about America, and open government is good, always, immutably and forever more. He's dead wrong here. Wrong.

Secondly....

Letting the military go in and do what it has spent billions on training and equipment to do...? Why not? Trump is still in his honeymoon days, almost-but-not-quite like Bush was on 9/11, fresh to his term and vulnerable to attack. We killed a whole lotta mussies in Iraq on that one. (So sorry, wrong country, oh well you'll breed more.....)


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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2017, 05:19:07 AM »
I don't expect a second term.

If 2018 voters continue to pick off RINOs but leave TEA alone, he stands a chance to survive. This presumes that battle-weary deep-pocket Dems forgo the necessary seed money for the 21020 cycle. On the other hand, if Trump's tries to Russia are as deep as some of his immediate associates....

Question, history buffs. Name one government where the military had complete autonomy over a puppet president which DID end well for its citizens. That's what we're up against if all Trump's talk turns out to be crap just like the worthless trash before him.

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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2017, 05:19:43 AM »
We are so conditioned to politicians that follow the party line it is difficult to comprehend what is going on when we get a POTUS like Trump. Consequently, as conservatives, we will agree with some of his moves and disagree with others. As long as he puts America first and allows our military to do what they do best I can live with it.
In contrast to the Marxist, Trump was a breath of fresh air in an ocean full of shit after being held under water for 8 years, but we're still drowning in a sea of Marxists with no shore in sight, the upside, we all have a big ass turd to hang onto. :biggrin:
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2017, 05:33:59 AM »
Let's see...where in all of human history have we seen the times when a military junta uses a puppet front man? Better question: will we HAVE a military junta if Trump decides to go fully independent, the very trait you seem to like here. (Not attacking, just observing.)

The purpose of the true conservative is to preserve what is good about America, and open government is good, always, immutably and forever more. He's dead wrong here. Wrong.

Secondly....

Letting the military go in and do what it has spent billions on training and equipment to do...? Why not? Trump is still in his honeymoon days, almost-but-not-quite like Bush was on 9/11, fresh to his term and vulnerable to attack. We killed a whole lotta mussies in Iraq on that one. (So sorry, wrong country, oh well you'll breed more.....)

I believe you did not comprehend the intent of my statement about allowing the military to do their job. Trump should be the one who decides policy, but give the military full authority to achieve those policies. We do not need 30 year old WH staffers telling generals how to carry out missions.
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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2017, 05:45:30 AM »
the upside, we all have a big ass turd to hang onto. :biggrin:

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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2017, 05:59:37 AM »
I believe you did not comprehend the intent of my statement about allowing the military to do their job. Trump should be the one who decides policy, but give the military full authority to achieve those policies. We do not need 30 year old WH staffers telling generals how to carry out missions.

No argument there, and for your clarification that Trump "should be". I presume a different attitude from Hairzilla than you do. Evidently you presume that his generals would follow him no matter what. There are limits to following bad orders, clearly outlined in the UCMJ. And then (presuming they find the cojones) there is Congress.

We also don't need a military junta. Should Trump go off the rails, they'd be the ones to stop him, anyway. Can you say they definitely would surrender power, once taken?

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Re: Krauthammer: Trump's great reversal
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2017, 06:25:51 AM »
No argument there, and for your clarification that Trump "should be". I presume a different attitude from Hairzilla than you do. Evidently you presume that his generals would follow him no matter what. There are limits to following bad orders, clearly outlined in the UCMJ. And then (presuming they find the cojones) there is Congress.

We also don't need a military junta. Should Trump go off the rails, they'd be the ones to stop him, anyway. Can you say they definitely would surrender power, once taken?
Uhh, yeah, that worked out so well in Libya, didn't it?
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