Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 30, 2018, 06:29:23 PM
If we got the government out of the college loan business tuition would drop dramatically over night.

Excellent first step!

Quote from: Fishman on July 30, 2018, 08:53:50 PM
I don't know what the answer is short of a complete overhaul of all our education system. In my opinion, it is at the heart of the problem in our country. You can't continually send year after year of young impressionable minds into these liberal brain washing shitholes under the guise of "education" and expect a different outcome than what we are currently getting. Unless something is done we are going to lose control of this country...if we haven't already.

Exactly! If nothing changes, we'll lose the next generation as well. This we can not afford, we damn near lost the country due to the latest one.

Quote from: taxed on July 30, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
I think students should be learning while working on real-world projects.  A kid shouldn't have to wait until he's out of school to do something real-world for a company.  Companies have infinite tasks that are menial, but part of a larger project, that would get the kids in the game and provide some relief for the companies on the labor side.

Excellent idea, give tax breaks to business that teaches a kid and gives them working skills. Interning should be half the prerequisite to graduation.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 31, 2018, 02:07:15 AM
Do you mean just college, or high school as well? Because high school vocational apprenticships sound like a great idea.

I agree, the earlier the better. Teaching responsibility early on is something most kids aren't getting today.
Can you imagine some kid taking pride in working an actual job, rather than 'hangin out n da hood'?

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 31, 2018, 05:05:35 AM
https://www.myajc.com/blog/get-schooled/opinion-rethinking-fed-education-role-makes-sense-trump-plan-does-not/T19cWlKAznnDpcoxmvr1nJ/

I just saw this article this morning and gives a liberal view of how to fix our education system. Trump wants to combine the Education Department with the Department of Labor. This writer suggests we create a department of Children, Families and Communities. Oh boy, a department that not only screws up public education, but also "helps" us with families and communities. Liberals are truly dangerous.

Oh God, how I despised Bush for all of this when he turned the schools over to Teddy.
And people wonder why others are homeschooling.

Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2018, 06:16:43 AM
Oh God, how I despised Bush for all of this when he turned the schools over to Teddy.
And people wonder why others are homeschooling.

one of the first things he did. I 'm still kicking the stump over that one. Did more damage to this country than libs on the supreme court.

Quote from: s3779m on July 31, 2018, 09:34:04 AM
one of the first things he did. I 'm still kicking the stump over that one. Did more damage to this country than libs on the supreme court.

Yep, killed an entire generation, Hell, they were indoctrinated to believe man made global warming thanks to his BS.

Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2018, 05:49:52 AM
That was the entire point of this thread. Govt will never be out of education, so let's simply reevaluate the way our taxes are spent.
We are the bosses, the colleges are thieves, and our Reps are lying scum, and none of that is going to change, Govt seldom shrinks, even remotely, so to think this will change anytime soon is silly.

But I believe we are in a pretty good position to reassess how and where the money goes. I do believe this is achievable in our time.

Thats defeatist talk soldier, snap out of it! *slap*

But seriously, trump has gained conservative victories that I never thought i wld see in my life. Miracles do happen.

But if gvt must be involved then I follow the founders plan, keep it as local as possible. When gvt is local it can spur a sense of pride similar to private ownership. Besides, there never used to be a dept of education and our parents are smarter than we are. So at least get the Federal gvt out, as many here have already said.

But moreso even then that, get the market place involved. That invisible hand is a miricle worker. Takeing away the advatages public school enjoys and throwing them into competition would solve many problems. I think we need to push homeschooling, vouchers, and private schools as much as possible, and certainly get the gvt out of those.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 31, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
Thats defeatist talk soldier, snap out of it! *slap*

But seriously, trump has gained conservative victories that I never thought i wld see in my life. Miracles do happen.

But if gvt must be involved then I follow the founders plan, keep it as local as possible. When gvt is local it can spur a sense of pride similar to private ownership. Besides, there never used to be a dept of education and our parents are smarter than we are. So at least get the Federal gvt out, as many here have already said.

But moreso even then that, get the market place involved. That invisible hand is a miricle worker. Takeing away the advatages public school enjoys and throwing them into competition would solve many problems. I think we need to push homeschooling, vouchers, and private schools as much as possible, and certainly get the gvt out of those.

That's how it was when we grew up, teachers actually answered to the parents, Parents Teachers Association, a group of parents banded together to actually guide the curriculum in their schools and hold the teacher's responsible.
Dims killed that off when they Unionized teachers against their will.

Quote from: Solar link=topic=31382.msg363117#msg363117 date=15330607Th26
Parents Teachers Association, a group of parents banded together to actually guide the curriculum in their schools and hold the teacher's responsible.

That's pure crazy talk! Let's make it happen again...

Quote from: Fishman on July 31, 2018, 08:00:34 PM
That's pure crazy talk! Let's make it happen again...

As a kid, I hated having my parents in the class. As an adult, I miss it, wish all parents would get involved today.