Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 30, 2018, 12:33:57 PM
Obviously, you can't comprehend me saying I don't watch him but recognize the bigger picture. I do put other examples. He is just the current one. We will not have to wait long for another example. But, I can recognize the difference between a radio show host who is an ass and Liberal ran social media who are assholes.

I post examples. You say there is no problem. People disagree with that. Life goes on. I don't know why you are being pompous about it. I will still post those types of threads because it is a very important topic for me. You will always disagree. No need to make a big deal over it.

I agree with T Hunt so let's get government out of the education system. I said that college money should be for military only. I said that if you get money for college, there should be strings attached (because what's the use in becoming an American doctor if you are not doctoring in America - the truck driving analogy was a kind of a catch-all). Do you not understand that? How do you get that I support status quo from that?

I have stayed out of this conversation, but have been keeping up with it. Let's be real, we will never get the government out of the education system. It is too ingrained in our culture and history. It had served us pretty well for almost 200 years. Now it has become a disaster. I do not have a solution because I do not know how we can purge the system from leftists now in charge. It begins with parents becoming more invovled with their students and schools far earlier than college.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 30, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
I have stayed out of this conversation, but have been keeping up with it. Let's be real, we will never get the government out of the education system. It is too ingrained in our culture and history. It had served us pretty well for almost 200 years. Now it has become a disaster. I do not have a solution because I do not know how we can purge the system from leftists now in charge. It begins with parents becoming more invovled with their students and schools far earlier than college.

That's true for everything. They need to raise their children.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 30, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
I have stayed out of this conversation, but have been keeping up with it. Let's be real, we will never get the government out of the education system. It is too ingrained in our culture and history. It had served us pretty well for almost 200 years. Now it has become a disaster. I do not have a solution because I do not know how we can purge the system from leftists now in charge. It begins with parents becoming more invovled with their students and schools far earlier than college.

A lot of parents us school as Babysitters, they do not get involved unless the school calls them with a problem.   They don't go to PTA meeting.   Parents freak out if schools closes down for two weeks as now they have to get a Babysitters and pay for it. 

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 30, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
I have stayed out of this conversation, but have been keeping up with it. Let's be real, we will never get the government out of the education system. It is too ingrained in our culture and history. It had served us pretty well for almost 200 years. Now it has become a disaster. I do not have a solution because I do not know how we can purge the system from leftists now in charge. It begins with parents becoming more invovled with their students and schools far earlier than college.

I think it's the federal govt in education that most of us dislike.  That's only about 45 years old, in its current bastardization.

Most of us constitutionalists are just fine with your town or county being invoved.

If we got the government out of the college loan business tuition would drop dramatically over night.

I don't know what the answer is short of a complete overhaul of all our education system. In my opinion, it is at the heart of the problem in our country. You can't continually send year after year of young impressionable minds into these liberal brain washing shitholes under the guise of "education" and expect a different outcome than what we are currently getting. Unless something is done we are going to lose control of this country...if we haven't already.

I think students should be learning while working on real-world projects.  A kid shouldn't have to wait until he's out of school to do something real-world for a company.  Companies have infinite tasks that are menial, but part of a larger project, that would get the kids in the game and provide some relief for the companies on the labor side.

Quote from: taxed on July 30, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
I think students should be learning while working on real-world projects.  A kid shouldn't have to wait until he's out of school to do something real-world for a company.  Companies have infinite tasks that are menial, but part of a larger project, that would get the kids in the game and provide some relief for the companies on the labor side.

I agree. They should at least have a job while going to school. That in itself is a learning experience.

Quote from: taxed on July 30, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
I think students should be learning while working on real-world projects.  A kid shouldn't have to wait until he's out of school to do something real-world for a company.  Companies have infinite tasks that are menial, but part of a larger project, that would get the kids in the game and provide some relief for the companies on the labor side.

Not that ive ever done it before, but isnt that what unpaid internships are for?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 31, 2018, 12:32:50 AM
Not that ive ever done it before, but isnt that what unpaid internships are for?

Yes, but something more integrated with school curriculum.

Quote from: taxed on July 31, 2018, 01:08:49 AM
Yes, but something more integrated with school curriculum.

Do you mean just college, or high school as well? Because high school vocational apprenticships sound like a great idea.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 31, 2018, 02:07:15 AM
Do you mean just college, or high school as well? Because high school vocational apprenticships sound like a great idea.

I would say yes if your not going into college you need all the vocational apprenticeship you can get. 

You need all the high schooling you can get if your going into college.  Some kids are taking in college what they should have had in high school.

https://www.myajc.com/blog/get-schooled/opinion-rethinking-fed-education-role-makes-sense-trump-plan-does-not/T19cWlKAznnDpcoxmvr1nJ/

I just saw this article this morning and gives a liberal view of how to fix our education system. Trump wants to combine the Education Department with the Department of Labor. This writer suggests we create a department of Children, Families and Communities. Oh boy, a department that not only screws up public education, but also "helps" us with families and communities. Liberals are truly dangerous.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 30, 2018, 12:33:57 PM
Obviously, you can't comprehend me saying I don't watch him but recognize the bigger picture. I do put other examples. He is just the current one. We will not have to wait long for another example. But, I can recognize the difference between a radio show host who is an ass and Liberal ran social media who are assholes.

I post examples. You say there is no problem. People disagree with that. Life goes on. I don't know why you are being pompous about it. I will still post those types of threads because it is a very important topic for me. You will always disagree. No need to make a big deal over it.

I agree with T Hunt so let's get government out of the education system. I said that college money should be for military only. I said that if you get money for college, there should be strings attached (because what's the use in becoming an American doctor if you are not doctoring in America - the truck driving analogy was a kind of a catch-all). Do you not understand that? How do you get that I support status quo from that?

That was the entire point of this thread. Govt will never be out of education, so let's simply reevaluate the way our taxes are spent.
We are the bosses, the colleges are thieves, and our Reps are lying scum, and none of that is going to change, Govt seldom shrinks, even remotely, so to think this will change anytime soon is silly.

But I believe we are in a pretty good position to reassess how and where the money goes. I do believe this is achievable in our time.

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 30, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
I think it's the federal govt in education that most of us dislike.  That's only about 45 years old, in its current bastardization.

Most of us constitutionalists are just fine with your town or county being invoved.

Yep, that's how it used to be. All about education, but those days are over, the left figured out a way to get rich off the taxpayer as well as corrupt our kids.