Quote from: mdgiles on March 26, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Actually in ancient Greece everyone above a certain income - enough money to buy the arms and weapons necessary to fight the city's battles, which all voting citizens were required to participate in - could vote. Later - at least in Athens - the vote was extended to the rowers, who propelled the warships the city depended upon.

That makes sense, in conjunction with Daidalos Starship Troopers reference. Doesn't do much good to have a private property based economy if an outside threat can come in and steal it all.

I also want to add that even though state functionaries are income earners, their salary is based on the taxation on production of capital and I'm not sure that should qualify as citizenship. We have seen the result of state unions on the economy after JFK removed the ban on state worker unions. Though electoral vote is another matter, at least it is not as efficient in voting in money for oneself at the expense of others as Unions are.

so where did the god awful idea of "everyone has a constitutional right to vote" get started?? i want to scream WHY DO YOU WANT MORONS VOTING every time i hear it.

Quote from: s3779m on March 27, 2015, 06:22:54 AM
so where did the god awful idea of "everyone has a constitutional right to vote" get started?? i want to scream WHY DO YOU WANT MORONS VOTING every time i hear it.

I can only speak for Norway, Universal suffrage were implemented when the Political left came to power in parliament in 1898, with no other condition for the right to vote other than having lived long enough to turn 25. Though the government regime were still controlled by the King and his right wing party under the constitution. Like most terrible ideas throughout history, universal suffrage is a leftist idea as well. The left lowered the voting age to 18 in 1974, and now they want to lower it to 16 and give it to children. Why not give it to toddlers as well? To quote a certain gal, at this point what difference does it make?

Quote from: mdgiles on March 26, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Actually in ancient Greece everyone above a certain income - enough money to buy the arms and weapons necessary to fight the city's battles, which all voting citizens were required to participate in - could vote. Later - at least in Athens - the vote was extended to the rowers, who propelled the warships the city depended upon.

Who gives a frack? Athens wound up with a dictator. Just as Rome did. Enuff said about "democracy".

Quote from: daidalos on March 28, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
Who gives a frack? Athens wound up with a dictator. Just as Rome did. Enuff said about "democracy".

The tyrants came before the democratic regime in Athens. Later "rulers" such as Pericles simply won election after election until the disaster in Sicily.