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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2012, 07:07:16 AM »
What you have essentially said here is that you believe in nothing except that which is prevalent in the time and society in which you live. How can you effectively argue for or against anything with this in mind?

The points you are making are largely incoherent or just poor argument. We go from talking about the first amendment and people being protected from the government forcing them to go against their morals, and now you are trying to sell this point that morality definitively amorphous without providing any reason for thinking this is the case.

 Moreover it seems that the essential reason you brought this up is to suggest that the government should enforce these changing morals, become the morality police disallowing those who want to follow their conscience, and forcing them to align with the morals of the state.


This pretty much sums it up...........

A hundred years ago, men and women barely held hands on the first date.
Today,
where they have sex is the question and who has protection.

Different time different morals.

 
And yes, it appears that justthefacts believes that it is the job of government to impose these new morals, whether we like it or not.

So far it's working out quite well:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

This link is close, but not quite realistic, since shacking up is now part of the new morality.

http://www.divorcestatistics.info/divorce-statistics-and-divorce-rate-in-the-usa.html

As the liberal grownups are pushing the new morality, our young people are paying the price with very high incidences of STDs.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/age.htm

The new morality is great..................as long as it's ugly underbelly is hidden from view.
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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2012, 08:34:34 AM »
This pretty much sums it up...........

A hundred years ago, men and women barely held hands on the first date.
Today,
where they have sex is the question and who has protection.

Different time different morals.

 
And yes, it appears that justthefacts believes that it is the job of government to impose these new morals, whether we like it or not.

So far it's working out quite well:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

This link is close, but not quite realistic, since shacking up is now part of the new morality.

http://www.divorcestatistics.info/divorce-statistics-and-divorce-rate-in-the-usa.html

As the liberal grownups are pushing the new morality, our young people are paying the price with very high incidences of STDs.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/age.htm

The new morality is great..................as long as it's ugly underbelly is hidden from view.




You have to love the new morals......

"WASHINGTON — There's a new push to make testing for the AIDS virus as common as cholesterol checks."


"The draft guidelines from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force are the latest recommendations that aim to make HIV screening simply a routine part of a check-up"
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2012, 10:32:11 AM »
The Preamble to the Constitution is just that, the preamble to the Constitution. Why do left loons keep reading into it powers that were never there. If the Preamble says all they say it does; WHY DID THEY BOTHER TO WRITE THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION. YOU KNOW, THE ARTICLES THAT ACTUALLY LAY OUT WHAT THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE GOVERNMENT ARE. The idea that the preamble is an actual grant of powers is insane. The Preamble simply states why we bothered to write all the other stuff, nothing more nothing less.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2012, 09:15:19 PM »
http://concess.blogspot.com/2010/08/american-judge-applies-sharia-law.html

But this one was resolved like this:
"Charles' ruling was overturned last month by New Jersey's Appellate Court, which ruled that the husband's religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, "was mistaken."

 I would also bet MONEY that the judge is a Religious Conservative.  He was also appointed by Gov Christie for life time position.  Good job conservatives!

NO Liberal would allow this.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/#ixzz2CpZp7CMG
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http://www.thomasmore.org/news/sharia-law-gains-foothold-us-federal-judge-upholds-government-funding-islam

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/inside-the-fl-appeals-ruling-upholding-islamic-law-in-mosque-case/

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/655-pennsylvania-judge-imposes-islamic-law-on-assaulted-parade-goer.html

None of these foil hat blogs are  "sources".

I thought you guys wanted to deal in facts, not talking points.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 05:21:40 AM »
But this one was resolved like this:
"Charles' ruling was overturned last month by New Jersey's Appellate Court, which ruled that the husband's religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, "was mistaken."

 I would also bet MONEY that the judge is a Religious Conservative.  He was also appointed by Gov Christie for life time position.  Good job conservatives!

NO Liberal would allow this.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/#ixzz2CpZp7CMG
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None of these foil hat blogs are  "sources".

I thought you guys wanted to deal in facts, not talking points.


I'm quite sure that the court cases mentioned in these "foil hat" blogs, are real cases. If you've got evidence that these cases never happened, or that the results were different than what is contained in the links, please present it.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2012, 11:06:51 AM »
But this one was resolved like this:
"Charles' ruling was overturned last month by New Jersey's Appellate Court, which ruled that the husband's religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, "was mistaken."

 I would also bet MONEY that the judge is a Religious Conservative.  He was also appointed by Gov Christie for life time position.  Good job conservatives!

NO Liberal would allow this.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/#ixzz2CpZp7CMG
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None of these foil hat blogs are  "sources".

I thought you guys wanted to deal in facts, not talking points.


If you took the time to actually read you would have noticed the blogs contain many many traditional sources. :rolleyes:


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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2012, 11:24:20 AM »
But this one was resolved like this:
"Charles' ruling was overturned last month by New Jersey's Appellate Court, which ruled that the husband's religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, "was mistaken."

 I would also bet MONEY that the judge is a Religious Conservative.  He was also appointed by Gov Christie for life time position.  Good job conservatives!

NO Liberal would allow this.

Read more:
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None of these foil hat blogs are  "sources".

I thought you guys wanted to deal in facts, not talking points.


Sorry, but they are legitimate sources.  Just because the left has a problem with real news doesn't make them illegitimate.  It's not your place to decide which news sources are "legitimate."  It's your place to disprove the facts that you disagree witn.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2012, 07:14:37 PM »
I don't think it has anything to do with the 1st Amendment.

It has everything to do with the Federal Government exercising authority which isn't granted to it by the Constitution - period! Despite what Chief Justice Roberts said, Obamacare is an unconstitutional law (one of many!).

The agreement between Hobby Lobby and their health insurance company is a private contract. It is none of the Federal Government's damned business what kind of benefits are provided to their employees.

Likewise, the working relationship between Hobby Lobby and its employees is a private matter! If an employee or potential employee doesn't like the kind of health care insurance provided by the company, they can go work somewhere else.

Is that so effing hard to understand?

 
I've got good news and bad news:

The good news is the Republicans won the Senate and now control both houses of Congress.

The bad news is the Republicans won the Senate and now control both houses of Congress.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2012, 09:59:24 PM »
I'm quite sure that the court cases mentioned in these "foil hat" blogs, are real cases. If you've got evidence that these cases never happened, or that the results were different than what is contained in the links, please present it.

You seem to be assuming these right wing, religious, nut job judges, who side with the MALE, due to their religious convictions,
ARE SOME HOW LIBERAL and Obama's secret evil plan.

You know how dumb that IS?

The judge I cited was APPOINTED BY A GOP Governor!

You guys like to ignore certain details, to make your WEAK points.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2012, 10:17:00 PM »
This is one is a retarded law suit!
http://www.thomasmore.org/news/sharia-law-gains-foothold-us-federal-judge-upholds-government-funding-islam

Anyone read it?

 SHOCKING I SAY!  Just Shocking.

You guys don't get around much.

Sharia-compliant financing is COMMON in vast amounts of the world.
It's banking without the Predator attitude.  It makes banks BE NICE.

Below is what the court decided, based on the retarded lawsuit brought by some right wingers who wanted to stir up the
MUSLIMS ARE COMING! sentiments

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the court stated the following: “In the absence of evidence showing that AIG’s development and sale of SCF products has resulted in the instruction of religious beliefs for the purpose of instilling those beliefs in others or furthering a religious mission, Plaintiff has failed to demonstrate that a reasonable observer could conclude that AIG has engaged in religious indoctrination by supplying SCF products.”


NOT TO MENTION, AIG was bailed out by GW Bush!
So if it's an administration who is coddling Islam, its a GOP one.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2012, 10:28:51 PM »
Ok here we go with another doosy.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/inside-the-fl-appeals-ruling-upholding-islamic-law-in-mosque-case/
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To recap, former trustees of the Islamic Education Center of Tampa sued the mosque after claiming that they were unfairly removed from their positions.
When the case made its way to court,
Hillsborough Circuit Judge Richard Nielsen (a Republican nominated by former Gov. Jeb Bush)
ruled that “ecclesiastical Islamic law” would be cited in the case.


This one is AGAIN a REPUBLICAN judge appointed by a REPUBLICAN Gov.  No LIBERALS HERE GUYS.

You factual dudes didn't READ the article about
THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING!??

Not really the case. These Muslims are already here and want justice in the US legal system.

This story is just More pathetic right wingers, trying to stir up the Anti Muslim sentiment.
Oh wait, it's THE BLAZE as the "source".

Told you guys these "sources" sucked.

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2012, 10:41:55 PM »
I am pretty sure this one is the sign of the Apocolypse!

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/655-pennsylvania-judge-imposes-islamic-law-on-assaulted-parade-goer.html

Seriously guys.
this is such a NON "Sharia Law Is Coming to America" story!

Conservatives Grasping at straws, is a better description.
This, MUSLIMS ARE COMING, happened many months ago.
I read several other articles about it.

Here is a more factual account of what transpired.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/02/29/an_atheist_a_muslim_and_a_judge_what_really_happened_113293.html

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2012, 01:01:48 AM »
Canadians are fun. Not bright apparently but fun none the less..


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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2012, 03:28:33 AM »
You seem to be assuming these right wing, religious, nut job judges, who side with the MALE, due to their religious convictions,
ARE SOME HOW LIBERAL and Obama's secret evil plan.

You know how dumb that IS?

The judge I cited was APPOINTED BY A GOP Governor!

You guys like to ignore certain details, to make your WEAK points.

You seem to be assuming that there aren't libs in the GOP. :blink:

You don't really pay much attention to what's talked about on here, huh?

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Re: Judge Denies Hobby Lobby's First Amendment Rights
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2012, 08:23:32 AM »
Canadians are fun. Not bright apparently but fun none the less..
This is the Boo Man's attempt at debate?

I refute the entire list of Sharia law Hysteria links and THIS is your response?

The level of intellect is........

 

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