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Somebody explain to me why these left-wing media feminists always seem to ask "Are you a feminist" to males that they disagree with?
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I thought the women expressed themselves well.  Peterson often reminds me of a theologian, his positions are stay away from complexity and stay within these boundaries because that is the way it should be. Who am I to say a trans woman is not a woman if she deeply feels she is. Lots of women don't have children does that make them less a woman.  I find him stuffy and boring but that's me.

'Transgender: a dialogue'

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I thought the women expressed themselves well.  Peterson often reminds me of a theologian, his positions are stay away from complexity and stay within these boundaries because that is the way it should be. Who am I to say a trans woman is not a woman if she deeply feels she is. Lots of women don't have children does that make them less a woman.  I find him stuffy and boring but that's me.

'Transgender: a dialogue'

https://aeon.co/essays/transgender-identities-a-conversation-between-two-philosophers


Ya know, this was never an issue till the Dims created another "Victim Group". Fact is, no one ever gave a damn, but the left pushed it in everyone's face and called them bigots if they didn't agree with the leftist take.
Remember how they called us racist when we didn't agree with Obozo? This is straight out of the Marxist play book of divide and conquer.
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Solar let me ask you this.  If one did not fit the archetype of what a man or woman should be how was that person regarded by those around him during the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, ...?  What about decades before the 50s and even the 19th and 18th centuries?  What were the consequences for that individual who did not easily fit into certain roles and certain archetypes that men and women were expected to be?

A number of SJWs don't fit into these archetypes and roles.  The roles they're expected to be does not come natural for them. What they want is to be able to be themselves and to be accepted by others for who they are.  In other words, they don't as square pegs want to be forced to fit into round holes.   That's where all of this came from.

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Ya know, this was never an issue till the Dims created another "Victim Group". Fact is, no one ever gave a damn, but the left pushed it in everyone's face and called them bigots if they didn't agree with the leftist take.
Remember how they called us racist when we didn't agree with Obozo? This is straight out of the Marxist play book of divide and conquer.
And after creating the latest victim group dims knew exactly how to create the controversy. Allow any man who "feels" like a woman to use the girls bathroom, allow men who want to be women to compete in women's sports, make it a crime to use the wrong "pronoun", and the list goes on. I, like most conservatives, don't really give a damn what people do as long as it is not forced upon me and does no harm. If a man wants to play pretend and act like he is a woman, go for it, but stay away from my grand-kids!, and do not expect me to act as if this is normal, it is not, no more than a man acting as if he is Napoleon is normal. Nature defines what is a man or a woman, not feelings. My sheep can "feel" like a mountain lion, but they still better stay away from the coyotes.

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Solar let me ask you this.  If one did not fit the archetype of what a man or woman should be how was that person regarded by those around him during the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, ...?  What about decades before the 50s and even the 19th and 18th centuries?  What were the consequences for that individual who did not easily fit into certain roles and certain archetypes that men and women were expected to be?

A number of SJWs don't fit into these archetypes and roles.  The roles they're expected to be does not come natural for them. What they want is to be able to be themselves and to be accepted by others for who they are.  In other words, they don't as square pegs want to be forced to fit into round holes.   That's where all of this came from.
And if that "acceptance" does not come than we are expected to see the government mandate it? Force it? What is next, when the government tells me I did not build that I am to believe it. Laws of nature tell us who is a man or woman, everything else is pretend.

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And if that "acceptance" does not come than we are expected to see the government mandate it? Force it? What is next, when the government tells me I did not build that I am to believe it. Laws of nature tell us who is a man or woman, everything else is pretend.

1.  I never said that I wanted any government to mandate it.  To mandate will be effective as the war on drugs and the war on guns which is not at all effective.  This is one thing the SJWs are doing wrong.  You can't just go up and disrupt the speakers speaking and shout them down.  Whether gov't mandates it or whether one shouts them down that is tactics of fascism.    As for me, I'd rather come to the proverbial table and discuss and ask questions and eat sandwiches as well.  I do try to listen and make sense of what you guys say whether I agree with you all or not. 

2.  Law of nature has variations and anomalies.  Not everyone fits into a nice and neat package.  Example:  Some women are natural born leaders and more dominant in nature.  Some men are not natural born leaders and more submissive in nature.  Some women are alphas and some men are not.  There are some women and girls who like to do stuff men do like fix cars.  There are women who are simply not girly girls.   

3.  Where I agree with you guys and disagree with the SJWs on is this.  Even though some men and women may not fit the archetypes of what most men and women fit that does not mean they're still not men and women.  Biologically even if they get sex reassignment surgery they're still men even if some of those men may have more of a female mind and vice versa.  A tomboy is still a girl and/or a woman.  She is not a man even if she is more inclined to do more man things or have more man traits.  Biologically, that's what she is.
 

4.   In other words, why can't those around them let tomboys be tomboys and let those men who are more submissive in nature be there natural submissive self.  Right or wrong, a number of these SJWs are going by their personal experiences and in their personal lives a number of them feel as though they were forced to fit a mold in their communities they could not fit.  And, what they're doing (again right or wrong) is fighting back.   

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And after creating the latest victim group dims knew exactly how to create the controversy. Allow any man who "feels" like a woman to use the girls bathroom, allow men who want to be women to compete in women's sports, make it a crime to use the wrong "pronoun", and the list goes on.

I don't think a biological man should use the girl's bathroom.  How would we enforce it if the man looks like a woman in an indistinguishable way?  I would say the transexuals should just use the family restroom and make no fuss about it.  Problem solved.   

I've been thinking about the whole idea of men and women's sports as well.  For one, I have an idea.  Why don't we get rid of women and men's sports entirely and base the sports on abilities.  I believe boxing has lightweight, middle weight and heavy weight.  Why not do it that way.   As one gets better one can rise up through these tiers.  And, it may be possible that most women will not make it above a certain tier.  And, they would need to either try harder or accept that.  There may be a few women who do.  Point is, why not apply the equality of opportunity to sports.  And, when women demand equality of outcome then ask them have you met this criteria to go above your tier?  If yes, make them prove it.  If no, they they don't rise. 

I, like most conservatives, don't really give a damn what people do as long as it is not forced upon me and does no harm. If a man wants to play pretend and act like he is a woman, go for it, but stay away from my grand-kids!, and do not expect me to act as if this is normal, it is not, no more than a man acting as if he is Napoleon is normal.





Nature defines what is a man or a woman, not feelings. My sheep can "feel" like a mountain lion, but they still better stay away from the coyotes.


If you don't give a damn then why bitch about it.  That's the first thing.  Obviously you do in some way.  Those who say they don't give a damn actually do.

Now,  Nature also can create anomalies as well. 

I agree that it's pretty stupid for a sheep to feel like he is a mountain lion.  But, a mountain lion is ferocious.  And, a sheep is docile.  Why can't a particular sheep be just as ferocious as the mountain.  And, maybe that sheep has a mutation that makes it just as strong as well.  It may be rare.  I agree though that it is still a sheep. 


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Solar let me ask you this.  If one did not fit the archetype of what a man or woman should be how was that person regarded by those around him during the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, ...?  What about decades before the 50s and even the 19th and 18th centuries?  What were the consequences for that individual who did not easily fit into certain roles and certain archetypes that men and women were expected to be?

A number of SJWs don't fit into these archetypes and roles.  The roles they're expected to be does not come natural for them. What they want is to be able to be themselves and to be accepted by others for who they are.  In other words, they don't as square pegs want to be forced to fit into round holes.   That's where all of this came from.
Nothing changes. The only difference in today and yesterday, is the Marxists created another victim group. No one cared what people did in their private lives, they knew what society would openly accept so they kept it to themselves.
The problem arose when Marxists found it to be another tool they could use  to destroy Western Society further. Nothing ever changes, the left uses everything, be it race, or weather, they create the illusion a problem exists and demand govt fix it.

So who is the real victim here, sexual freaks of nature, or societal norms tens of thousands of years old?
Want proof Marxists use whatever tool they can to destroy the US? Watch them start pushing pedophilia as simply misunderstood, so they can make it a new norm as well. Think of the worst thing you can think of that might perpetuate our cultural destruction, and keep an eye on their leftist news as it gets pushed in the future.
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I don't think a biological man should use the girl's bathroom.  How would we enforce it if the man looks like a woman in an indistinguishable way?  I would say the transexuals should just use the family restroom and make no fuss about it. Problem solved.
  In other words "back to the way it was? What I am complaining about is the government telling me to accept it, had the damn dims stayed out of it would it have been a problem?


I've been thinking about the whole idea of men and women's sports as well.  For one, I have an idea.  Why don't we get rid of women and men's sports entirely and base the sports on abilities.  I believe boxing has lightweight, middle weight and heavy weight.  Why not do it that   way.
  Because men and women are different. What you are saying makes as much sense as asking grade school kids to compete with high school kids and tell them to up their game. What you are suggesting would eliminate womens sports.
   As one gets better one can rise up through these tiers.  And, it may be possible that most women will not make it above a certain tier.  And, they would need to either try harder or accept that.  There may be a few women who do.  Point is, why not apply the equality of opportunity to sports.  And, when women demand equality of outcome then ask them have you met this criteria to go above your tier?  If yes, make them prove it.  If no, they they don't rise. 

If you don't give a damn then why bitch about it.  That's the first thing.  Obviously you do in some way.  Those who say they don't give a damn actually do.
Again, I did not give a damn until the liberals made it an issue and wanted me to think in a certain way. In other words, I do not have the problem with a man who is playing pretend that he is a woman, just leave others alone, I have a problem with a government telling me this is normal acceptable behavior.

Now,  Nature also can create anomalies as well.
Agree, and that is what it is called when a man "feels" he is a woman. That "feeling" does not turn him into anything, it does not change his dna.[/quote] 

I agree that it's pretty stupid for a sheep to feel like he is a mountain lion.  But, a mountain lion is ferocious.  And, a sheep is docile.  Why can't a particular sheep be just as ferocious as the mountain.  And, maybe that sheep has a mutation that makes it just as strong as well.  It may be rare.  I agree though that it is still a sheep.

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  In other words "back to the way it was? What I am complaining about is the government telling me to accept it, had the damn dims stayed out of it would it have been a problem?


Ya, that's what I am saying. 

  Because men and women are different. What you are saying makes as much sense as asking grade school kids to compete with high school kids and tell them to up their game. What you are suggesting would eliminate womens sports.  Again, I did not give a damn until the liberals made it an issue and wanted me to think in a certain way. In other words, I do not have the problem with a man who is playing pretend that he is a woman, just leave others alone, I have a problem with a government telling me this is normal acceptable behavior.


I misunderstood you having a problem or not having a problem.  You didn't have an issue until government got involved.  I understand. 

Men and women are different!  True.  This is so true.

And, I've seen some grade/middle school kids who look like HS kids.  When I went to elementary/middle school I thought some of them looked like big, strong mf'ers lol

Agree, and that is what it is called when a man "feels" he is a woman. That "feeling" does not turn him into anything, it does not change his dna.

Agreed!  Although, I would love to do neurological scans on some of these folks to see what we find.  Maybe check the RNA level. But a man <> woman with <> meaning not equal.

And, I hope you forgive me Solar but I will use myself as an example.  I've always felt like an alien b/c I don't connect well with others.  I was able to get my dna tested at ancestry.com.  Suffice it to say I'm a full blooded human.  Yet, I have feelings of being born on the wrong planet.  I accept the fact I'm human but my feelings are still there.  It's weird, I know.
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Somebody explain to me why these left-wing media feminists always seem to ask "Are you a feminist" to males that they disagree with?

What is their intention of saying that?
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What is their intention of saying that?
Got me, it's like asking if you identify as a woman. I'd just tell them I'm a male lesbian, wanna get naked? :biggrin:
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Got me, it's like asking if you identify as a woman. I'd just tell them I'm a male lesbian, wanna get naked? :biggrin:

I have seen this several times with European English speaking media types (British, Australian, etc.).
Social Media are multi-national billion dollar corporations with foreign investors that are going unchecked with the power to effect our election process.

"Book burnings" have evolved into "de-plat forming". Its the same principles behind both: to eliminate accessible knowledge.

 

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