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Title: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
McCain never saw a war he didn't like.

McCain, one of many U.S. officials speaking at the 2017 Munich Security Conference, which brings together senior decision-makers from around the world to discuss security challenges, noted that a panel at the event asks the question of whether the Western world will survive.

“In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism. Not this year,” he said in his prepared remarks. “If ever there were a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now.”

McCain, one of the toughest critics of Trump’s unclear ties to Russia, never actually named the president as he warned about threats to the Western world.

But it was clear who he was talking about as he imagined how Cold War-era diplomats would respond to the types of policies and messages being pushed by the Trump administration, like, say, a ban on Muslims and refugees, or constant attacks on the media, or a steady refusal to accept facts.

“They would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood, and race, and sectarianism. They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see toward immigrants, and refugees, and minority groups, especially Muslims,” McCain said. “They would be alarmed by the growing inability, and even unwillingness, to separate truth from lies. They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-trump-munich-america-west-security_us_58a74b5fe4b07602ad54713a
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 07, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
I, more so than many on this board, feel particularly betrayed by McCain. At one time He was considered the spokesman of the Vietnam Vet, our boy in DC, who was speaking for US, somebody who was taking OUR part when the forces that be were ridiculing, belittling and dishonoring our service, casting us in the light of drug addled losers and psycho's.....you spoke out for us and stood up against them and we Loved you for it.

Who the hell are you standing up for NOW John?....Foreign infiltrators? Illegal immigrants who rob our coffers of treasure, time and effort that should be going to our fellow Vets who need it the most?

And why? Because asshole Trump made some stupid wise crack about listening to the vets who didn't get captured. Are you really that small and petty after all you/we have been thru?

There was a time when we put our country before anything, before politics and sometimes even before friends and family. You have totally forgotten that, you lost your way along time ago.

I used to stand up for you and support you, but no more, I now denounce you, you are a disgrace.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: taxed on March 07, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
What a piece of crap.  I can't understand why Arizona would keep recycling that turd.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 07, 2017, 05:21:21 PM
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
I, more so than many on this board, feel particularly betrayed by McCain. At one time He was considered the spokesman of the Vietnam Vet, our boy in DC, who was speaking for US, somebody who was taking OUR part when the forces that be were ridiculing, belittling and dishonoring our service, casting us in the light of drug addled losers and psycho's.....you spoke out for us and stood up against them and we Loved you for it.

Who the hell are you standing up for NOW John?....Foreign infiltrators? Illegal immigrants who rob our coffers of treasure, time and effort that should be going to our fellow Vets who need it the most?

And why? Because asshole Trump made some stupid wise crack about listening to the vets who didn't get captured. Are you really that small and petty after all you/we have been thru?

There was a time when we put our country before anything, before politics and sometimes even before friends and family. You have totally forgotten that, you lost your way along time ago.

I used to stand up for you and support you, but no more, I now denounce you, you are a disgrace.
That about sums it up...
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 06:21:57 PM
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.
Makes you wonder if they simply flipped him.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: The Boo Man... on March 07, 2017, 11:15:15 PM
At this rate he will run for reelection as a democrat.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 08, 2017, 05:30:46 AM
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.


You may be on to something.

See, the Russians were heavily involved in the Vietnam war. As a matter of fact if memory serves me McCain may have been on a mission to hit just delivered Russian supplies from one of their many ships in Haipong Harbor when he was shot down by a (Russian) SAM.....They weren't allowed to blast the Russian ships but had to wait until the cargo's were unloaded, often munitions and those Soviet SAM's that were responsible for so many downed pilots.

There were also lots of reports of Russian Military being present at the NVA interrogations and some of them taking part. Electrocuting someone on an iron bed was supposed to be a Russian KGB specialty


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/nva-ad-sam.htm
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 08, 2017, 10:21:05 AM

You may be on to something.

See, the Russians were heavily involved in the Vietnam war. As a matter of fact if memory serves me McCain may have been on a mission to hit just delivered Russian supplies from one of their many ships in Haipong Harbor when he was shot down by a (Russian) SAM.....They weren't allowed to blast the Russian ships but had to wait until the cargo's were unloaded, often munitions and those Soviet SAM's that were responsible for so many downed pilots.

There were also lots of reports of Russian Military being present at the NVA interrogations and some of them taking part. Electrocuting someone on an iron bed was supposed to be a Russian KGB specialty


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/nva-ad-sam.htm

If the Russians were somehow involved, the least inkling of Trump saying *anything* resembling *respect* for Putin might be all it takes to send McCain into feverish, red-faced, rage.   If that's the case, I honestly can't blame the guy for being PISSED at the people who crippled him and caused his suffering - I would too!

Unfortunately, it's not coming across that way - probably too painful for McCain to talk about - but, telling the story again, might humble Trump (and get a little respectful apology for his unkind remarks).

McCain doesn't talk about it - just seethes hatred of Russians, this is something meant for a 60 minutes profile, or an interview with Levin, complete with mockups or diagrams.  People need to understand Russians like Putin are like deadly snakes.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
If the Russians were somehow involved, the least inkling of Trump saying *anything* resembling *respect* for Putin might be all it takes to send McCain into feverish, red-faced, rage.   If that's the case, I honestly can't blame the guy for being PISSED at the people who crippled him and caused his suffering - I would too!

Unfortunately, it's not coming across that way - probably too painful for McCain to talk about - but, telling the story again, might humble Trump (and get a little respectful apology for his unkind remarks).

McCain doesn't talk about it - just seethes hatred of Russians, this is something meant for a 60 minutes profile, or an interview with Levin, complete with mockups or diagrams.  People need to understand Russians like Putin are like deadly snakes.
Fellow prisoners have a different take.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

Mass of Evidence

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.
Soooo much more~~~~
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
It seems to be that McCain was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

McCain Institute’s Failure To Use Donations For Anti-Trafficking Purposes Raises Questions

A review of the McCain Institute’s filings with the IRS reveals that they are not, in fact, spending any of their endowment on combatting human trafficking, or apparently on any other expenses. In 2012, the McCain Institute received $8,685,619 in donations, gifts and grants. Yet their expenses were a mere $500,000. In 2013 they again, only contributed $500,000 of their endowment. In 2014, the McCain Institute received $1,305,000 and donated $1,500,000. All of the donations made by the McCain Institute in 2012, 2013 and 2014 went to the Arizona State University Foundation, a group which appears to have nothing to do with human trafficking. Why McCain is not spending his foundation’s endowment on anything, let alone anti-human trafficking efforts, raises questions about where the cash is actually going and what it is being used for.

READ MORE....
http://disobedientmedia.com/mccain-institutes-failure-to-use-donations-for-anti-trafficking-purposes-raises-questions/
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 08, 2017, 04:25:39 PM
Fellow prisoners have a different take.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

Mass of Evidence

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.
Soooo much more~~~~
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

I don't want to Defend McCain too much anymore but he was instrumental in opening up crash sites in Vietnam and Laos to US Investigators and a number of MIA remains were recovered. WHo or who did not cover up the tales of US POWS and MIA's being held by NVA is a matter of conjecture.

This always begs the question... if there were live POW's left behind....WHAT BECAME OF THEM? Time was I used to be up on this stuff, But I can say talking to the Ex Pat Vietnam Vet's in their communities in Thailand, strange tales persist. I almost positive that more than a few of the guys on the MIA/POW list WERE DESERTERS, a few may have switched sides in captivity. Rumors also persist that the State Dept ran massive investigations into these situations and more than a few
funny tales came up. Supposedly there documented instances within the State Dept of Old "Falangs" (foreigners), DESERTERS from the war who became recluse Buddhist monks living in isolated Temples in the far North and East of Thailand....and ain't nobody getting into one of those places unless over the dead bodies of a lot of Thai soldiery.

I tend to think that if a lot of POWS were "left behind" they would have surfaced. But then again, some holdover from the Korean war, living in the North just showed up a few years ago.....who knows?
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 04:57:35 PM
I don't want to Defend McCain too much anymore but he was instrumental in opening up crash sites in Vietnam and Laos to US Investigators and a number of MIA remains were recovered. WHo or who did not cover up the tales of US POWS and MIA's being held by NVA is a matter of conjecture.

This always begs the question... if there were live POW's left behind....WHAT BECAME OF THEM? Time was I used to be up on this stuff, But I can say talking to the Ex Pat Vietnam Vet's in their communities in Thailand, strange tales persist. I almost positive that more than a few of the guys on the MIA/POW list WERE DESERTERS, a few may have switched sides in captivity. Rumors also persist that the State Dept ran massive investigations into these situations and more than a few
funny tales came up. Supposedly there documented instances within the State Dept of Old "Falangs" (foreigners), DESERTERS from the war who became recluse Buddhist monks living in isolated Temples in the far North and East of Thailand....and ain't nobody getting into one of those places unless over the dead bodies of a lot of Thai soldiery.

I tend to think that if a lot of POWS were "left behind" they would have surfaced. But then again, some holdover from the Korean war, living in the North just showed up a few years ago.....who knows?
Misdirection? "Sure, look over here at these crash sites and forget about those others, there's probably nothing there anyway"...
I do remember one prisoner was found, but he had Stockholm syndrome so bad, he refused to return on his own, I think it was in 76 when they found him.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: The Boo Man... on March 08, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
McCain stopped being an American hero years ago. He's a politician and a narcissist.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2017, 04:24:14 AM
McCain stopped being an American hero years ago. He's a politician and a narcissist.
POW aside, he's sold out this nation too many times as a leftist.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: quiller on March 09, 2017, 04:52:34 AM
Remember, boys and girls: if you keep finding (after all this time, "completely by accident") and selling-back the remains of your very, very, VERY rich enemy, you too will rise among prominence among your socialist peers!

Consider how little a metal detector costs and how close-proximity to any U.S. military man ANY substantial amount of metal can be found. A scan may not find dog-tags but surely would find other metal. After all these decades the Vietnamese metal scrapyard people would have gone searching for ANYTHING metal to melt and sell for other uses. In short those G.I. bodies would mostly have been found by now.

Realistically some will never be found, blown up by bombs or crashing aircraft. That isn't any cover-up, it's just war. But if one is found, any decision as to when to release the body (and in return for what) remains an individual case.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 09, 2017, 05:01:45 AM
Misdirection? "Sure, look over here at these crash sites and forget about those others, there's probably nothing there anyway"...
I do remember one prisoner was found, but he had Stockholm syndrome so bad, he refused to return on his own, I think it was in 76 when they found him.

McCain has enough of his own (internal) problems, he's got no business in the Senate.   He certainly makes Trump's case for not being a war hero.  He either sold out, after being broken, or simply turned on his fellow prisoners - whatever the actually happened, he BETRAYED AMERICA in that video.   After that, McCain never should have been elected to public office for starters.  For all we know, his hatred of Russians is a ruse, and he's been doing what they instructed him, disrupt the constitutional political processes whenever and whereever you can... like Obama.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: quiller on March 09, 2017, 05:37:34 AM
McCain has enough of his own (internal) problems, he's got no business in the Senate.   He certainly makes Trump's case for not being a war hero.  He either sold out, after being broken, or simply turned on his fellow prisoners - whatever the actually happened, he BETRAYED AMERICA in that video.   After that, McCain never should have been elected to public office for starters.  For all we know, his hatred of Russians is a ruse, and he's been doing what they instructed him, disrupt the constitutional political processes whenever and whereever you can... like Obama.

I believe the technique is best summed-up here.

https://www.amazon.com/Manchurian-Candidate-Special-Frank-Sinatra/dp/B00020X88Y/ref=sr_1_4?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1489066558&sr=1-4&keywords=manchurian+candidate

(http://media.fotki.com/1_p,rtqbwrgksqtkrwqxbqfqsbrwqdbw,vi/brqsqrkstxbsfgbftkkxbskdqqwdg/1/1595431/13971100/bushmccain_galbreath276x240vi-vi.jpg)
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 09, 2017, 05:39:42 AM
Remember, boys and girls: if you keep finding (after all this time, "completely by accident") and selling-back the remains of your very, very, VERY rich enemy, you too will rise among prominence among your socialist peers!

Consider how little a metal detector costs and how close-proximity to any U.S. military man ANY substantial amount of metal can be found. A scan may not find dog-tags but surely would find other metal. After all these decades the Vietnamese metal scrapyard people would have gone searching for ANYTHING metal to melt and sell for other uses. In short those G.I. bodies would mostly have been found by now.

Realistically some will never be found, blown up by bombs or crashing aircraft. That isn't any cover-up, it's just war. But if one is found, any decision as to when to release the body (and in return for what) remains an individual case.


The only low life miserable self serving demon from hell who is known to have sold "Remains" of American servicemen was that bastard Bo Giretz, and it wasnt even human remains but chicken bones.

If Bo ever shows up back in Thailand the Ex pats there will hog tie him, soak him in gas and throw him on an open pit and roast him alive
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2017, 05:42:38 AM
McCain has enough of his own (internal) problems, he's got no business in the Senate.   He certainly makes Trump's case for not being a war hero.  He either sold out, after being broken, or simply turned on his fellow prisoners - whatever the actually happened, he BETRAYED AMERICA in that video.   After that, McCain never should have been elected to public office for starters.  For all we know, his hatred of Russians is a ruse, and he's been doing what they instructed him, disrupt the constitutional political processes whenever and whereever you can... like Obama.
Exactly! The "War Hero" moniker was attached to him, not because he is, but because it's a 'Hands Off' shield designed to deflect all criticism, literally turns the argument back on anyone impugning his character.
McCain is a nobody, his record is who he is, but his armor puts that all off limits, but Trump seeing a weakness in his armor attacked it and created a vulnerability little Johnny simply couldn't handle and his reaction has been that of stealing the security blanket of a child.
The guy in now unhinged and exposed for all the world to see. He's coming off as mentally unstable and if someone decides to go at him, he just might snap.

He won't get any sympathy from me when he does.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: quiller on March 09, 2017, 06:32:43 AM

The only low life miserable self serving demon from hell who is known to have sold "Remains" of American servicemen was that bastard Bo Giretz, and it wasnt even human remains but chicken bones.

If Bo ever shows up back in Thailand the Ex pats there will hog tie him, soak him in gas and throw him on an open pit and roast him alive

MORE!

http://www.miafacts.org/gritz_legend.htm
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traito: UPDATE
Post by: Solar on March 13, 2017, 07:42:53 AM
Hey Maverick, how about we wait till the investigation is complete, you fuckin traitor!
The Conservative in me truly despises this ass hole! The man in me wants to punch his ass out.

Senator John McCain, a frequent Trump critic, issued his demand in an interview with CNN.

"The president has one of two choices, either retract, or to provide the information that the American people deserve," McCain said.

"I have no reason to believe this is true, but I also believe that the president of the United States could clear this up in a minute," he continued.

"All he has to do is pick up the phone, call the director of the CIA, the director of national intelligence and say, 'OK, what happened?' Because they certainly should know whether the former president of the United States was wiretapping Trump Tower."

Obama, through a spokesman, has denied Trump's claim, which the billionaire-turned-politician made in a series of tweets earlier this month.

Obama's director of national intelligence James Clapper also said in an interview that there was no wiretap of Trump or his campaign.

But Trump has not walked back his allegation, and the White House asked a congressional committee that is examining Russian interference in last year's US presidential election to investigate the wiretapping claim as well.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-republican-challenges-trump-prove-wiretapping-claim-221719039.html
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: zewazir on March 13, 2017, 10:15:54 AM
Quote
"All he has to do is pick up the phone, call the director of the CIA, the director of national intelligence and say, 'OK, what happened?' Because they certainly should know whether the former president of the United States was wiretapping Trump Tower."
This approach assumes the intelligence personnel involved, those who worked under Obama and the demoncraps, will tell the truth when asked, "what happened?"

Trump is not so stupid as to make that assumption.

Neither are we.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 13, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
This approach assumes the intelligence personnel involved, those who worked under Obama and the demoncraps, will tell the truth when asked, "what happened?"

Trump is not so stupid as to make that assumption.

Neither are we.
Yep, either Johnny is delusional or stupid, I see no other answer.
He's proof govt can't be trusted.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: zewazir on March 14, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Yep, either Johnny is delusional or stupid, I see no other answer.
He's proof govt can't be trusted.
He is used to dealing with LIVs and progs. He thinks WE are stupid.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 14, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
He is used to dealing with LIVs and progs. He thinks WE are stupid.
Well, he is a prog after all. Wonder if he'll jump party's after his term is up?
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 14, 2017, 06:35:13 PM
Well, he is a prog after all. Wonder if he'll jump party's after his term is up?

The Democrats have figured it out, a long time ago....  "Where is McCain the most effective for us.. as a Democrat, or Republican...hmmmm"

MEH - doesn't matter, they own him!
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: The Boo Man... on March 14, 2017, 10:04:12 PM
John McCain has become an oldies act.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2017, 04:02:52 AM
John McCain has become an oldies act.
Yeah, RINO, a walking, living, breathing stereotype of the enemy within.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 15, 2017, 03:42:31 PM
This really takes the cake.  The knucklehead makes bigger enemies out of Conservatives & Libertarians - all whom he should be supporting, than he does Democrats.  Then this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html

Quote
In response, McCain began railing against Paul, his voice trembling with anger: “I note the senator from Kentucky leaving the floor without justification or any rationale for the action he has just taken.

That is really remarkable, that a senator blocking a treaty that is supported by the overwhelming number—perhaps 98, at least, of his colleagues—would come to the floor and object and walk away.”

He then directly connected Paul to the Russian government: “The only conclusion you can draw when he walks away is he has no justification for his objection to having a small nation be part of NATO that is under assault from the Russians.

“So I repeat again, the senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin.”
....
Paul’s NATO-skeptic words notably echo those of President Trump, who ran on backing away from involvement with the alliance, having called it “obsolete” and lamented how it “costs us a fortune.” McCain, of course, vehemently opposed such words.

The Arizona senator’s brusk accusation is the latest controversy to emerge from the Senate floor. Little more than a month ago, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell cut off Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren as she read a 1986 letter from Coretta Scott King suggesting Sen. Jeff Sessions actively worked to block the black vote.

Citing a Senate rule against impugning the motive of a colleague, McConnell reprimanded Warren. The majority leader’s office did not immediately respond to request for comment on whether McConnell plans to similarly punish McCain for suggesting his colleague works for the Russian government. 

sigh... some guys haven't realized the train has left the station, and should have gotten on it.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: quiller on March 15, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
Lemme see here....accuse another senator of being an enemy agent?

McCarthy much, you freaking jerk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WZwSx7UdU
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
This really takes the cake.  The knucklehead makes bigger enemies out of Conservatives & Libertarians - all whom he should be supporting, than he does Democrats.  Then this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html

sigh... some guys haven't realized the train has left the station, and should have gotten on it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That was Madcows train Johnny got on and it's in the process of wrecking.
Eh Maverick, tell us again why you're in the GOP and not on the Dim ticket? Oh that's right, the Dim party imploded too.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: The Boo Man... on March 15, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
This really takes the cake.  The knucklehead makes bigger enemies out of Conservatives & Libertarians - all whom he should be supporting, than he does Democrats.  Then this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html

sigh... some guys haven't realized the train has left the station, and should have gotten on it.

McCain's train left the station alright but he forgot to buy a ticket.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: milos on March 16, 2017, 12:12:30 AM
This really takes the cake.  The knucklehead makes bigger enemies out of Conservatives & Libertarians - all whom he should be supporting, than he does Democrats.  Then this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html

sigh... some guys haven't realized the train has left the station, and should have gotten on it.
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After the Kentucky senator objected to a bill advancing Montenegro’s push for NATO membership, McCain lost his cool and accused his colleague of being a Putin operative.

While speaking from the Senate floor in support of a bill advancing Montenegro’s bid to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), McCain noted objection from his Kentucky colleague, saying that if you oppose the measure, “You are achieving the objectives of Vladimir Putin... trying to dismember this small country which has already been the subject an attempted coup.”

I wanted to say big thank you to Senator Paul for taking this step, he made my day. Senator McCain is advocating for the Montenegrin regime of Milo Đukanović, probably the worst crook in the Balkans of today, connected to the Sicilian Mafia, he literally owns Montenegro, and is one of the political fathers of the current Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić. He invented the alleged coup against him during the Montenegro parliamentary elections day on October 16th 2016 in order to scare the voters and win the elections. His protege Aleksandar Vučić also invents coups against him every so often, in order to play a victim and gain more sympathies.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 16, 2017, 05:30:39 AM
I wanted to say big thank you to Senator Paul for taking this step, he made my day. Senator McCain is advocating for the Montenegrin regime of Milo Đukanović, probably the worst crook in the Balkans of today, connected to the Sicilian Mafia, he literally owns Montenegro, and is one of the political fathers of the current Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić. He invented the alleged coup against him during the Montenegro parliamentary elections day on October 16th 2016 in order to scare the voters and win the elections. His protege Aleksandar Vučić also invents coups against him every so often, in order to play a victim and gain more sympathies.

Interesting....

So in McCain's world view, he wants everyone on the side of NATO - because McCain is against Russia.
It doesn't matter if any of those countries would dilute NATO, by adding pro communist dictator regimes to NATO, just so you're a NATO member - nothing else matters...?

All NATO stands for is "anti-Russian"...?   If Russia starts barking at North Korea, we're suppose to say, "Hey Kim, come on, man, join NATO!  You're against Russia, so are we, birds of a feather, flock together!"

Rand Paul's objection had little to do with Russia, yet McCain suffers from 'tunnel vision'... or is NATO's single purpose "Anti-Russian" in his mind?   Surely McCain is saying to himself, "History will PROVE ME RIGHT!!!" - but how do you square those decades of being WRONG?

IMO, NATO needs to become "less USA" and more "regional" - yes, I think we've carried the majority of the LOAD long enough... it's not just the money, but that's a good start - you want us here protecting you, PAY for it, or do it yourself. 

McCain spent a L-O-N-G as a POW, of all people, he should be less willing to put our people in harms way.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 16, 2017, 09:59:45 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/16/rand_paul_john_mccain_unhinged_and_past_his_prime.html

Rand Paul responds with the $ quote:  'McCain makes a good case for term limits'    :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung:


Paul definitely has these flashes of brilliance - how can anyone not like the guy?
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/16/rand_paul_john_mccain_unhinged_and_past_his_prime.html

Rand Paul responds with the $ quote:  'McCain makes a good case for term limits'    :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung:


Paul definitely has these flashes of brilliance - how can anyone not like the guy?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now that's funny. But you ask: "how can anyone not like the guy?"
Easy, he aligned with the enemy and turned his back on TEA. But it was still funny, what he said about Johnny and term limits. :biggrin:
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Hoofer on March 16, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now that's funny. But you ask: "how can anyone not like the guy?"
Easy, he aligned with the enemy and turned his back on TEA. But it was still funny, what he said about Johnny and term limits. :biggrin:

I like Rand Paul, he raises good points for discussion, over and over, when they ought to be brought into the discussion.

Leader...?  NOPE, he's a stone thrower.   In some ways like a Democrat, if there's a legitimate objection to a bill - count on Rand Paul to FIND IT and run with it... forever, until someone says, "Ok - ok - ok... we get it, Rand", he smirks and shuts up.  Not much of a leader if you can't get out in front and project your ideas ahead of the debate.  He's like a caboose.

I still like him - and voters like me, probably drive him nuts, 'cause there's always someone better to vote for.


On the other hand.... I haven't ever liked John McCain, and though had some respect for him at one time, that's evaporating with his pointless & very public attacks on members of his own party.
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
I like Rand Paul, he raises good points for discussion, over and over, when they ought to be brought into the discussion.

Leader...?  NOPE, he's a stone thrower.   In some ways like a Democrat, if there's a legitimate objection to a bill - count on Rand Paul to FIND IT and run with it... forever, until someone says, "Ok - ok - ok... we get it, Rand", he smirks and shuts up.  Not much of a leader if you can't get out in front and project your ideas ahead of the debate.  He's like a caboose.

I still like him - and voters like me, probably drive him nuts, 'cause there's always someone better to vote for.


On the other hand.... I haven't ever liked John McCain, and though had some respect for him at one time, that's evaporating with his pointless & very public attacks on members of his own party.
Excellent point! Rand's very strength, is his Achilles Heel...
Title: Re: John McCain, American Traitor
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 16, 2017, 09:19:20 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/16/rand_paul_john_mccain_unhinged_and_past_his_prime.html

Rand Paul responds with the $ quote:  'McCain makes a good case for term limits'    :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung:


Paul definitely has these flashes of brilliance - how can anyone not like the guy?

Hey, I like Rand and I like his father ... I think both of them are great on domestic issues; on global issues...they both scare the heck out of me.