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John McCain, American Traitor
« on: March 07, 2017, 01:19:30 PM »
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McCain, one of many U.S. officials speaking at the 2017 Munich Security Conference, which brings together senior decision-makers from around the world to discuss security challenges, noted that a panel at the event asks the question of whether the Western world will survive.

“In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism. Not this year,” he said in his prepared remarks. “If ever there were a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now.”

McCain, one of the toughest critics of Trump’s unclear ties to Russia, never actually named the president as he warned about threats to the Western world.

But it was clear who he was talking about as he imagined how Cold War-era diplomats would respond to the types of policies and messages being pushed by the Trump administration, like, say, a ban on Muslims and refugees, or constant attacks on the media, or a steady refusal to accept facts.

“They would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood, and race, and sectarianism. They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see toward immigrants, and refugees, and minority groups, especially Muslims,” McCain said. “They would be alarmed by the growing inability, and even unwillingness, to separate truth from lies. They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent.”

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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 03:53:05 PM »
I, more so than many on this board, feel particularly betrayed by McCain. At one time He was considered the spokesman of the Vietnam Vet, our boy in DC, who was speaking for US, somebody who was taking OUR part when the forces that be were ridiculing, belittling and dishonoring our service, casting us in the light of drug addled losers and psycho's.....you spoke out for us and stood up against them and we Loved you for it.

Who the hell are you standing up for NOW John?....Foreign infiltrators? Illegal immigrants who rob our coffers of treasure, time and effort that should be going to our fellow Vets who need it the most?

And why? Because asshole Trump made some stupid wise crack about listening to the vets who didn't get captured. Are you really that small and petty after all you/we have been thru?

There was a time when we put our country before anything, before politics and sometimes even before friends and family. You have totally forgotten that, you lost your way along time ago.

I used to stand up for you and support you, but no more, I now denounce you, you are a disgrace.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 03:54:43 PM »
What a piece of crap.  I can't understand why Arizona would keep recycling that turd.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 05:21:21 PM »
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 06:21:16 PM »
I, more so than many on this board, feel particularly betrayed by McCain. At one time He was considered the spokesman of the Vietnam Vet, our boy in DC, who was speaking for US, somebody who was taking OUR part when the forces that be were ridiculing, belittling and dishonoring our service, casting us in the light of drug addled losers and psycho's.....you spoke out for us and stood up against them and we Loved you for it.

Who the hell are you standing up for NOW John?....Foreign infiltrators? Illegal immigrants who rob our coffers of treasure, time and effort that should be going to our fellow Vets who need it the most?

And why? Because asshole Trump made some stupid wise crack about listening to the vets who didn't get captured. Are you really that small and petty after all you/we have been thru?

There was a time when we put our country before anything, before politics and sometimes even before friends and family. You have totally forgotten that, you lost your way along time ago.

I used to stand up for you and support you, but no more, I now denounce you, you are a disgrace.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 06:21:57 PM »
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.
Makes you wonder if they simply flipped him.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 11:15:15 PM »
At this rate he will run for reelection as a democrat.

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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 05:30:46 AM »
Something happened to John McCain in Viet Nam- which we might someday understand, that keeps bubbling up.  This rage against his supporters, irrational statements seeming coming out of left field (sure John, you go on believing your Luke Skywalker...).

Age ... sometimes brings out a person's true character, good, bad or just indifferent.   Some guys get sweeter, some guys get bitter; some guys figure out how to contain and live with adversity, some guys never get a handle on it.   Failing health seems to trigger alot of personality quirks (or changes).

Whether I feel sorry for the guy, or just continue ignoring him - he's the one who is plotting his own demise, not me... he strikes me as a bitter, negative, old man who feels slighted for not being more respected & popular than he is.

By contrast, look at the positive nature of Donald Trump - he actually attracts a crowd...  quite a contrast.


You may be on to something.

See, the Russians were heavily involved in the Vietnam war. As a matter of fact if memory serves me McCain may have been on a mission to hit just delivered Russian supplies from one of their many ships in Haipong Harbor when he was shot down by a (Russian) SAM.....They weren't allowed to blast the Russian ships but had to wait until the cargo's were unloaded, often munitions and those Soviet SAM's that were responsible for so many downed pilots.

There were also lots of reports of Russian Military being present at the NVA interrogations and some of them taking part. Electrocuting someone on an iron bed was supposed to be a Russian KGB specialty


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/nva-ad-sam.htm
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 10:21:05 AM »

You may be on to something.

See, the Russians were heavily involved in the Vietnam war. As a matter of fact if memory serves me McCain may have been on a mission to hit just delivered Russian supplies from one of their many ships in Haipong Harbor when he was shot down by a (Russian) SAM.....They weren't allowed to blast the Russian ships but had to wait until the cargo's were unloaded, often munitions and those Soviet SAM's that were responsible for so many downed pilots.

There were also lots of reports of Russian Military being present at the NVA interrogations and some of them taking part. Electrocuting someone on an iron bed was supposed to be a Russian KGB specialty


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/nva-ad-sam.htm

If the Russians were somehow involved, the least inkling of Trump saying *anything* resembling *respect* for Putin might be all it takes to send McCain into feverish, red-faced, rage.   If that's the case, I honestly can't blame the guy for being PISSED at the people who crippled him and caused his suffering - I would too!

Unfortunately, it's not coming across that way - probably too painful for McCain to talk about - but, telling the story again, might humble Trump (and get a little respectful apology for his unkind remarks).

McCain doesn't talk about it - just seethes hatred of Russians, this is something meant for a 60 minutes profile, or an interview with Levin, complete with mockups or diagrams.  People need to understand Russians like Putin are like deadly snakes.
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2017, 10:34:27 AM »
If the Russians were somehow involved, the least inkling of Trump saying *anything* resembling *respect* for Putin might be all it takes to send McCain into feverish, red-faced, rage.   If that's the case, I honestly can't blame the guy for being PISSED at the people who crippled him and caused his suffering - I would too!

Unfortunately, it's not coming across that way - probably too painful for McCain to talk about - but, telling the story again, might humble Trump (and get a little respectful apology for his unkind remarks).

McCain doesn't talk about it - just seethes hatred of Russians, this is something meant for a 60 minutes profile, or an interview with Levin, complete with mockups or diagrams.  People need to understand Russians like Putin are like deadly snakes.
Fellow prisoners have a different take.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

Mass of Evidence

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.
Soooo much more~~~~
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
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Re: John McCain, American Traitor
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2017, 02:09:44 PM »
It seems to be that McCain was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

McCain Institute’s Failure To Use Donations For Anti-Trafficking Purposes Raises Questions

A review of the McCain Institute’s filings with the IRS reveals that they are not, in fact, spending any of their endowment on combatting human trafficking, or apparently on any other expenses. In 2012, the McCain Institute received $8,685,619 in donations, gifts and grants. Yet their expenses were a mere $500,000. In 2013 they again, only contributed $500,000 of their endowment. In 2014, the McCain Institute received $1,305,000 and donated $1,500,000. All of the donations made by the McCain Institute in 2012, 2013 and 2014 went to the Arizona State University Foundation, a group which appears to have nothing to do with human trafficking. Why McCain is not spending his foundation’s endowment on anything, let alone anti-human trafficking efforts, raises questions about where the cash is actually going and what it is being used for.

READ MORE....
http://disobedientmedia.com/mccain-institutes-failure-to-use-donations-for-anti-trafficking-purposes-raises-questions/
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2017, 04:25:39 PM »
Fellow prisoners have a different take.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

Mass of Evidence

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What’s more, the Pentagon’s POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of “debunking” POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible.

The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally forced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. The chairman was John Kerry. McCain, as a former POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

One of the sharpest critics of the Pentagon’s performance was an insider, Air Force Lt. Gen. Eugene Tighe, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during the 1970s. He openly challenged the Pentagon’s position that no live prisoners existed, saying that the evidence proved otherwise. McCain was a bitter opponent of Tighe, who was eventually pushed into retirement.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or sought to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general’s briefing of the Hanoi politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in 1993. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war’s end as leverage to ensure getting war reparations from Washington.
Soooo much more~~~~
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

I don't want to Defend McCain too much anymore but he was instrumental in opening up crash sites in Vietnam and Laos to US Investigators and a number of MIA remains were recovered. WHo or who did not cover up the tales of US POWS and MIA's being held by NVA is a matter of conjecture.

This always begs the question... if there were live POW's left behind....WHAT BECAME OF THEM? Time was I used to be up on this stuff, But I can say talking to the Ex Pat Vietnam Vet's in their communities in Thailand, strange tales persist. I almost positive that more than a few of the guys on the MIA/POW list WERE DESERTERS, a few may have switched sides in captivity. Rumors also persist that the State Dept ran massive investigations into these situations and more than a few
funny tales came up. Supposedly there documented instances within the State Dept of Old "Falangs" (foreigners), DESERTERS from the war who became recluse Buddhist monks living in isolated Temples in the far North and East of Thailand....and ain't nobody getting into one of those places unless over the dead bodies of a lot of Thai soldiery.

I tend to think that if a lot of POWS were "left behind" they would have surfaced. But then again, some holdover from the Korean war, living in the North just showed up a few years ago.....who knows?
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2017, 04:57:35 PM »
I don't want to Defend McCain too much anymore but he was instrumental in opening up crash sites in Vietnam and Laos to US Investigators and a number of MIA remains were recovered. WHo or who did not cover up the tales of US POWS and MIA's being held by NVA is a matter of conjecture.

This always begs the question... if there were live POW's left behind....WHAT BECAME OF THEM? Time was I used to be up on this stuff, But I can say talking to the Ex Pat Vietnam Vet's in their communities in Thailand, strange tales persist. I almost positive that more than a few of the guys on the MIA/POW list WERE DESERTERS, a few may have switched sides in captivity. Rumors also persist that the State Dept ran massive investigations into these situations and more than a few
funny tales came up. Supposedly there documented instances within the State Dept of Old "Falangs" (foreigners), DESERTERS from the war who became recluse Buddhist monks living in isolated Temples in the far North and East of Thailand....and ain't nobody getting into one of those places unless over the dead bodies of a lot of Thai soldiery.

I tend to think that if a lot of POWS were "left behind" they would have surfaced. But then again, some holdover from the Korean war, living in the North just showed up a few years ago.....who knows?
Misdirection? "Sure, look over here at these crash sites and forget about those others, there's probably nothing there anyway"...
I do remember one prisoner was found, but he had Stockholm syndrome so bad, he refused to return on his own, I think it was in 76 when they found him.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2017, 08:05:31 PM »
McCain stopped being an American hero years ago. He's a politician and a narcissist.

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2017, 04:24:14 AM »
McCain stopped being an American hero years ago. He's a politician and a narcissist.
POW aside, he's sold out this nation too many times as a leftist.
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