Quote from: keyboarder on June 29, 2015, 06:44:59 PM
My flag is the confederate flag as I am a SC gal and born way after all the upheaval in the north/south.  I don't care what some thought of that flag as I have my own opinion about it and don't care to rewrite history to say anything other than what it was really about during that time.  That flag in no way represents slavery to me. 

It is tragic that the nine AME church members died in such a horrific display of hatred.  The sickness and evil of the shooter goes way deeper than just a flag.  I witnessed the coming together of SC natives, a mixed crowd, in unity of comfort and bereavement for the victims and their families and friends.  I'll go a little further here and offer my suggestion of allowing the citizens to vote their conscience on removal of the flag.  I could support either decision in honor of the victims, could you?  This is such a little problem in light of the overwhelming events that are taking place as I type.

It should represent slavery to anyone who has the intelligence to read the secession documents of the Confederate states. How could it represent anything but slavery? What else was the South fighting for? In any case, why give the trouble makers something to exploit.

Quote from: Darth Fife on June 29, 2015, 09:28:49 AM
Actually, this may be a blessing in disguise. Tax exempt status is a Sword of Damocles hanging over every organization that has it. Don't pander to the Feds dictates? You lose your tax exempt status. The Government uses it to keep Churches and other non-profits in line.

Without a tax exempt status to protect, church will (or should) have more freedom to follow their teachings the way they believe they should i.e. prohibit homosexual marriage, etc.

I totally get what you're saying, but letting the Fed dictate rules that never belonged to them in the first place is conceding defeat in relinquishing power they never held.

The First wasn't written for the benefit of the govt, it was written to give weapon to religion and Free Speech, to hold govt at bay.

Perspective. Lose it, we lose the war.

"Once upon a time, during the founding of our great Republic, the pulpits of our churches were on fire for the cause of Freedom, Liberty, and Godliness. This affected the British to the point where they referred to our clergy as "The Black Robe Regiment.".Since that time, we have turned a blind eye to those who do not believe and those who seek to preach social justice in our churches. We have allowed the Progressive movement to make Christianity nothing more than a stain on society while embracing a Muslim ideology that comes straight from the pits of hell. Although, I must give the Muslims credit for something: THEY LIVE THEIR IDEOLOGY!! How much greater and stronger would America be if we started to live up to our Christian principles again as God called us to do?"

http://www.westernjournalism.com/america-its-time-to-stop-playing-the-plastic-jesus-game/

Quote from: admin on June 30, 2015, 07:45:20 AM
I totally get what you're saying, but letting the Fed dictate rules that never belonged to them in the first place is conceding defeat in relinquishing power they never held.

The First wasn't written for the benefit of the govt, it was written to give weapon to religion and Free Speech, to hold govt at bay.

Perspective. Lose it, we lose the war.

Well, that is the whole aim of the Tax Code to begin with - to reward those individuals and organization the government likes and to punish those it doesn't like.

The real answer is to scrap the Tax Code and abolish the IRS. Failing that, the next best answer (IMHO) is not to play their game.

I'm waiting for them to take away my lucky rabbits foot.

As we all know, the government is totally out of hand and now the SCOTUS has joined the chorus.

A severe correction is in order.  The next Administration has a huge mission to accomplish...... clean up the Agencies..... putting some on the chopping block..... and initiate major prosecution of criminal appointees.

And all of that is just a sidebar to actually boosting the economy, sealing the borders and restoring international relations.

And hopefully Cruz will get the opportunity to appoint a couple of new Supremes!!!

I cannot fathom the intense work required to clean up this mess!

Quote from: mdgiles on June 29, 2015, 10:09:51 AM
"OUR" flag? Odd, I am in no way willing to go out in die in order to keep a people in chains - which is what that flag represents in the first place. Nor am I in favor of white supremacy or racial segregation - which is what it has come to mean recently. And before you go into the usual neo Confederate spiel about the bravery of your fore fathers - remember - we don't keep swastikas around to celebrate the bravery of the Wehrmacht, nor the hammer and sickle to celebrate the bravery of the Communists. There is not a conservative alive, whose jaws don't get locked every time they see some foolish college kid, running around in a Che T-shirt. We are now in the process of witnessing a willful minority try to force their will on the rest of us; why exactly should we honor one that tried to do so in the past.

And how many of the front line enlisted men that died fighting in the southern army owned or ever would own a slave? There were many reasons for the civil war and slavery was just one of the sparks!

This could be a kind of justice on the Presbyterian Church. The left wing ruthlessly has taken  over all the buildings, the endowments, and the seminaries that the previous generations built up in faith, hard work, and charity. The left contributed nothing but clever subversive techniques.
Now that they have the prize, whack 'em with property taxes.
Let the new Covenant Churches build under the new rules. Loosen restrictions on
enterprise.  Hmmm...this has genuine possibilities....

Quote from: redbeard on June 30, 2015, 12:07:18 PM
And how many of the front line enlisted men that died fighting in the southern army owned or ever would own a slave? There were many reasons for the civil war and slavery was just one of the sparks!

Which part of the secession documents do you fail to understand? Even if you didn't own any slaves you were fighting for the right of others to own them. If you don't understand that you had no idea of why you were fighting, What right did the Confederacy want that the Union didn't have.

Quote from: mdgiles on June 30, 2015, 07:17:36 AM
It should represent slavery to anyone who has the intelligence to read the secession documents of the Confederate states. How could it represent anything but slavery? What else was the South fighting for? In any case, why give the trouble makers something to exploit.

Giles, I'm way past that time in history and so are you.  I didn't own a slave and know of no one in my family history that did.  All my folks were hog farmers on my Mom's side and Law enforcement on my Dad's side.  No slaves anywhere to be found in my past.  That is precisely the reason I do not look at that flag as slavery.  You, on the other hand, may have had family members to have lived thru the atrocities of that time and I understand that you have and will never agree with me about that flag.  It is our history here though and I am not undermined by your accusations of my "low intelligence" because I don't go into the background and dredge up the articles of secession.  I am particularly interested in SC history, all of it.  I never have understood why a people had to be so oppressed by members of my race but I owe you no apology because that ain't in my background.    You never did answer my suggestion either about what I think a fair thing to do about the flag should be, a vote by the people who pay taxes outta' the yahoo for that government to operate in our best interests.  The spontaneous order from our dear governor to take down the flag was, in my estimation, a cave-in on her part to oppression.  I know that the good ole' boys in that state capitol have given her fits since her inception there but I guess that is just the woman part of her showing thru.  This is not the first time that she has weakened in areas of utmost concern for our citizens and I'm sure she is on an irreversible path now.   But, would you support a vote either way if the people were asked to take a vote on whether the flag came down or not?  I will support any fair judgement by way of a vote by the citizens.  Until that happens, I remain on the side of leaving the flag where it is.  I can almost tell you that it is coming down but it has a place in my yard and always will be a symbol of what poor farmers, white and black, had to suffer at the whims of the powerful.

mdgiles is blinded on these issues. That flag represents the spirit of the REBEL to the southerner. Too many blacks, pushed by white libs have twisted the meaning of that flag to serve their political purposes. Suddenly, what the small minority have turned the flag into is vastly more important than what it really means to you or the vast majority of southerners.

I guess this is the world the libtard would like us to embrace:

Walmart refuses to bake Confederate flag cake for man, but makes him ISIS cake



I posted this before walks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q7ePFollQQE

Quote from: carlb on June 30, 2015, 04:09:30 PM
mdgiles is blinded on these issues. That flag represents the spirit of the REBEL to the southerner. Too many blacks, pushed by white libs have twisted the meaning of that flag to serve their political purposes. Suddenly, what the small minority have turned the flag into is vastly more important than what it really means to you or the vast majority of southerners.

I guess this is the world the libtard would like us to embrace:

Walmart refuses to bake Confederate flag cake for man, but makes him ISIS cake




I posted this before walks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q7ePFollQQE

Coming in loud and clear Carl.  I saw that about the cake too.  Walmart has supposedly apologized but the damage has already been done.  Reverse prejudice in action.   Walmart employs the type of people that I put in the same category as low information voters, no hope, no how.


I moved you post outside of the quote.
walks

Yeah, I just found others had posted this hypocrisy from Walmart. I guess great minds think alike.

It really is amazing they would make that cake? I bet they have no idea what it represents and what those monsters do. The left is incredibly ignorant.

Quote from: carlb on June 30, 2015, 06:15:25 PM
Yeah, I just found others had posted this hypocrisy from Walmart. I guess great minds think alike.

It really is amazing they would make that cake? I bet they have no idea what it represents and what those monsters do. The left is incredibly ignorant.

Walmart is rushing to clean up the public relations nightmare.

They say that the bakery attendant was clueless!  Duh!

Now they are scrambling to determine their new guidelines!!!!

Oh what tangled webs we weave.........

Quote from: kroz on June 30, 2015, 06:20:33 PM
Walmart is rushing to clean up the public relations nightmare.

They say that the bakery attendant was clueless!  Duh!

Now they are scrambling to determine their new guidelines!!!!

Oh what tangled webs we weave.........

A lot of ignorant people.  Several people handled that cake order, not just one person.  Sounds like something our government employees would do.