ISIS uncovers Saddam's WMD's..IN IRAQ!!

Started by Bowhntr, August 26, 2014, 07:26:08 AM

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Cryptic Bert

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 26, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
All of what you quoted actually means they aren't viable. The less purity, the more corrupted.

What's more since these were made in '91 at the latest, so all of the stockpile is expired. Best case scenario 3-5 years for sarin and VX, it's been over 20, and the captured examples we got both in '91 and 2003 told us they had lifespans likely amounting to a few weeks as they were so poorly manufactured and contained.

The facility ISIS captured btw, is pretty much a parking lot. We bombed it, and the Iraqis stripped or buried most of what was left.  What remains, are poorly maintained bunkers.

Irrelevant.

Alaska Slim

^ the stockpile is irrelevant. The insurgents got at it too, and they failed to weaponize it.

The chemicals are expired, still toxic, but more a threat to those who handle them than those they'd wish to use it on.
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Cryptic Bert

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 26, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
^ the stockpile is irrelevant. The insurgents got at it too, and they failed to weaponize it.

The chemicals are expired, still toxic, but more a threat to those who handle them than those they'd wish to use it on.

Whether or not they are usable is not relevant.

Alaska Slim

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 26, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
Whether or not they are usable is not relevant.
Then I don't understand, what is?
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Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 26, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
All of what you quoted actually means they aren't viable. The less purity, the more corrupted.

What's more since these were made in '91 at the latest, so all of the stockpile is expired. Best case scenario 3-5 years for sarin and VX, it's been over 20, and the captured examples we got both in '91 and 2003 told us they had lifespans likely amounting to a few weeks as they were so poorly manufactured and contained.

The facility ISIS captured btw, is pretty much a parking lot. We bombed it, and the Iraqis stripped or buried most of what was left.  What remains, are poorly maintained bunkers.

I think I'll get me some of Saddam's 'expired' Sarin and send you a teaspoon or so to mix with your morning granola. I trust you'll let us know how things turn out.
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Alaska Slim

^why go so far? I could approximate the current toxicity with household rat poison and industrial cleaners.  :tounge:



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Mountainshield

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 27, 2014, 12:29:54 AM
^why go so far? I could approximate the current toxicity with household rat poison and industrial cleaners.  :tounge:

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 26, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
^ the stockpile is irrelevant. The insurgents got at it too, and they failed to weaponize it.

The chemicals are expired, still toxic, but more a threat to those who handle them than those they'd wish to use it on.

Oh right, and that makes IS less formidable, because they don't use suicide bombers or employ people with no regards for their own lives. Even a small non-lethal dose will cause permanent major damage. But i'm sure IS strict work safety regulations will prevent any application of this WMD. (If the story is true that is.)

Solar

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 26, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
All of what you quoted actually means they aren't viable. The less purity, the more corrupted.

What's more since these were made in '91 at the latest, so all of the stockpile is expired. Best case scenario 3-5 years for sarin and VX, it's been over 20, and the captured examples we got both in '91 and 2003 told us they had lifespans likely amounting to a few weeks as they were so poorly manufactured and contained.

The facility ISIS captured btw, is pretty much a parking lot. We bombed it, and the Iraqis stripped or buried most of what was left.  What remains, are poorly maintained bunkers.
Well then that's great news, you won't have to worry about donning a protective suit if they use them.
Hell, we should make you the spokesman for "Calming the Masses" and you can carry the word that the chemical munitions are old and not a danger.

Seriously, are you really so stupid as to believe that even a 1% chance is noting to worry about?
Tell that to the victims downwind that only received a 1% dose as they lay dying in the gutter.
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Alaska Slim

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 27, 2014, 04:22:41 AMbecause they don't use suicide bombers or employ people with no regards for their own lives. Even a small non-lethal dose will cause permanent major damage. But i'm sure IS strict work safety regulations will prevent any application of this WMD. (If the story is true that is.)
Again, they could do the same with rat poison, or using Ammonia and bleach to make mustard gas.  What's missing is proportion, toxic isn't lethal, and lethality would require at-length exposure.

The Iraq Survey Group, Bush's own handpicked guys to go find the weapons, concluded this themselves. As did David Kay, our chief inspector:

"Kay said, the decades-old sarin nerve gas was probably no more dangerous than household pesticides -- and far more likely to degrade at room temperature. 'In terms of toxicity, sir,' Kay told [Rep. Curt] Weldon [R-PA] at one point, 'I suspect in your house, and I know in my house, I have things that are more toxic than sarin produced from 1984 to 1988.'"

Insurgents during Iraqi Freedom put these expired chemicals in IEDs, set them off, and they still failed to kill a single person. Conventional explosives would do far more harm at this point.

That, or a machete to the neck, as we all know they love to do.
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Bowhntr

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 27, 2014, 04:58:18 AM
Insurgents during Iraqi Freedom put these expired chemicals in IEDs, set them off, and they still failed to kill a single person. Conventional explosives would do far more harm at this point.

One little problem that our bomb building insurgent buddies didn't realize, and apparently you do not either.  The heat generated during the detonation of the conventional explosives used in IED's can be and usually sufficient enough to neutralize chemical and biological agents.  You need a more subtle release mechanism to render a chemical aerosol than an IED.

taxed

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 27, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
Then I don't understand, what is?

They weren't expired when the US went in.  Just because they are now doesn't mean they always were.
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Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
They weren't expired when the US went in.  Just because they are now doesn't mean they always were.

Exactly!
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Solar

Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
They weren't expired when the US went in.  Just because they are now doesn't mean they always were.
Or are they?
If they were expired, then why did the UN use hazmat suits when dealing with them?
Bet ISIS moved them using hazmat suits as well when they stole them.

I have no doubt these munitions are still hazardous, maybe not even close to what they were a few years back, but if they decide to make a bomb with these things, you can bet there'll be exposure and death.
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taxed

Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Or are they?
If they were expired, then why did the UN use hazmat suits when dealing with them?
Bet ISIS moved them using hazmat suits as well when they stole them.

I have no doubt these munitions are still hazardous, maybe not even close to what they were a few years back, but if they decide to make a bomb with these things, you can bet there'll be exposure and death.

I would imagine they are hazardous.
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Solar

Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2014, 02:05:05 PM
I would imagine they are hazardous.
Yeah, I wonder if Slim would be willing to move them in street clothes? :rolleyes: :lol:
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