Is this out of a political fiction novel?

Started by topside, April 01, 2017, 08:30:20 AM

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Ms.Independence

Quote from: topside on April 02, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
I guess it's like the argument for the border wall. We shouldn't need a law that says that Sharia law isn't the law of the land - should not be used to adjudicate. But you don't just rely on the natural expectation. You also put in a law to underscore the fact. Then you make examples of some early offenders. Then you do ten other things to act as boundaries - not sure what, but you can't rely on just one barriers - you need seveal these days. Set the law down, wall it in, lock it up, then throw away the key. Otherwise, the libs will weasel a way to use it.

I should have seen this! Did you ever realize that law is just short of wall spelled backwards? I think I saw somewhere that the original spelling was llaw. Ok - I thought it was kinda funny in this context. Can Solar put you in the penalty box for bad humor?

Seriously, it's too bad that anyone has to put so much work into this issue. The natural barrier should be sufficient. So much energy into making something happen that should naturally. I'm still incredulous that this is even an issue in the US.   :glare:

Yes, we shouldn't need specific laws to protect us against Sharia, but obviously there are judges in the lower courts ruling in favor of Sharia which would seem to be a clear violation of the Constitution; yet there are over 20 courts doing so.  Same with the 'wall'; our Congressmen have dragged their feet on funding and building the wall since the Secure Fence Act was signed into law back in 2006.
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topside

Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 03, 2017, 05:03:27 AM
Yes, we shouldn't need specific laws to protect us against Sharia, but obviously there are judges in the lower courts ruling in favor of Sharia which would seem to be a clear violation of the Constitution; yet there are over 20 courts doing so.  Same with the 'wall'; our Congressmen have dragged their feet on funding and building the wall since the Secure Fence Act was signed into law back in 2006.

It seems that the problem is there is no punishment (laws) on judges who break the inferred Constitutional position. So it's time to judge the judges. And immediately put some in the penalty box if there is sufficient evidence that they've used Sharia law as guidance. Is there some law against non-constitutional adjudicating? If not, we need to write that law and get to work.

blake allyn

Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2017, 09:15:51 AM
Nah, Easterners, same scum that invaded Ca decades ago. I wanted to move to Mt back in the 70s but my uncle, a native of Mt said Libs run the state, stay away, nothing good will ever come of it, which is sad because Mt is beautiful country to those of us that love wilderness.

Mt suffers the same as does any state with a large city dominating the landscape, the left Gerrymanders the districts to afford them unreasonable power, like La and the Bay area do here, though geographically only a tiny percentage of the state, they wield 90% of the power.

What scum are you referring to here solar?  Middle easterners or those from Eastern America?  Please clarify?

Solar

Quote from: blake allyn on April 03, 2017, 07:46:54 AM
What scum are you referring to here solar?  Middle easterners or those from Eastern America?  Please clarify?
Seriously, you actually need this clarified? :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
Seriously, you actually need this clarified? :rolleyes:
Yes I do.  You are either calling one of the two groups scum.

Be a man and state which one please.

Solar

Quote from: blake allyn on April 03, 2017, 08:06:46 AM
Yes I do.  You are either calling one of the two groups scum.

Be a man and state which one please.
Well, to be honest, both are, your point?
Or can you address the actual topic and quit derailing the thread.
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Quote from: topside on April 03, 2017, 07:24:41 AM
It seems that the problem is there is no punishment (laws) on judges who break the inferred Constitutional position. So it's time to judge the judges. And immediately put some in the penalty box if there is sufficient evidence that they've used Sharia law as guidance. Is there some law against non-constitutional adjudicating? If not, we need to write that law and get to work.

I hear what you are saying, but I don't think its that cut and try.  Judges can be impeached, but it takes finding someone or some group who is willing to start the impeachment process.  I'm not so sure that people actually pay attention to rulings until it actually affects them.  The only other recourse we have of course is to vote them out of office.  I know this past election I had the opportunity to vote on several district judges; I ousted all those appointed by a liberal governor years before.
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Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 03, 2017, 08:46:46 AM
I hear what you are saying, but I don't think its that cut and try.  Judges can be impeached, but it takes finding someone or some group who is willing to start the impeachment process.  I'm not so sure that people actually pay attention to rulings until it actually affects them.  The only other recourse we have of course is to vote them out of office.  I know this past election I had the opportunity to vote on several district judges; I ousted all those appointed by a liberal governor years before.

I'll confess I haven't ever even thought about what it would take to get rid of a bad judge. Or even how to call one out. I've always thought of a judge as someone elected that just adjudicates based on law - without much subjective to it. Boy have I been wrong!!!

In Ohio at elections, the Dims don't seem to put anything out that I've seen on judges. And Pubs usually have a voting guide that gives recommendations on judges but no real information. I've never been motivated to dig into how the judges acted - not sure I'd know how to do discovery? I'll certainly dig in more the next time ... and spread the word.

A quick side point. I've heard Hannity and Beck on the radio railing about Sharia law in the US for a couple years. I always turned the dial because it seemed like a far-fetched, irrelevant soap box side show. Looks like these guys somehow were seeing this happen and knew it wouldn't just go away.

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Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
Seriously, you actually need this clarified? :rolleyes:

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Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2017, 12:32:27 PM
Basketball cuts are the worst. :lol:
No need to worry about getting cut by his sharp wit.

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