Is Black Liberation Theology a Racist Cult?

Started by wally, October 16, 2010, 08:05:38 AM

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It seems to me that the answer to whether those who subscribe to BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY and the teachings of folks like W.E.B. DuBois and James H. Cone, are about as representative of the Black Church in America, as WHITE SUPREMICISTS, who call themselves Christians, represent the mainstream  of Americans, who happen to be white. They both a racist subsects of America's most dominent religion; Christianity.

If you have not heard of BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY, then I urge you to do your own research, as well as see how both the right and the left view Mr. DuBois and Mr. Cones.

I find it more than interesting that our first black POTUS is one who has publically subscibed to the Black Liberation Theology teachings, as well as their political movement and yet it seems taboo to talk about his deeply held beliefs and associations with this cult!

Do a google search and think for yourself!  What do you think?

Here's a suggested reading...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/the_wrightobama_split_in_histo.html

you might also want to watch/listen to this...
Barack Obama's Black Liberation Theology

Obama Speaks Of Rev. Wright In This 1995 Interview
Obama Speaks Of Rev. Wright In This 1995 Interview

Black Liberation Theology (interview wit Jerimiah Wright)
Black Liberation Theology

"Theologically, Cone's argument is as silly as the "Aryan Christianity" popular in Nazi Germany, which claimed that Jesus was not a Jew at all but an Aryan Galilean, and that the Aryan race was the "chosen people". Cone, Hopkins and Wright do not propose, of course, to put non-blacks in concentration camps or to conquer the world, but racially-based theology nonetheless is a greased chute to the nether regions.

Biblical theology teaches that even the most terrible events to befall Israel, such as the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE, embody the workings of divine justice, even if humankind cannot see God's purpose. James Cone sees the matter very differently. Either God must do what we want him to do, or we must reject him, Cone maintains:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love. [1]

In the black liberation theology taught by Wright, Cone and Hopkins, Jesus Christ is not for all men, but only for the oppressed:

In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors ... Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not [Cone]...

That is the "biblical scholarship" to which Obama referred in his March 14 defense of Wright and his academic prominence. In his response to Hannity, Wright genuinely seemed to believe that the authority of Cone and Hopkins, who now hold important posts at liberal theological seminaries, was sufficient to make the issue go away. His faith in the white establishment is touching; he honestly cannot understand why the white reporters at Fox News are bothering him when the University of Chicago and the Union Theological Seminary have put their stamp of approval on black liberation theology... "

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-white-hatred-in-black-liberation-theology

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Who sat for 20 years of "services," listening to this vile racist Wright, and who donated $20,000 to support Wright's racist causes? Above, "I wasn't really here" should read, "I lied through my commie ass that I wasn't listening to his racist garbage, and rewarded it from my checkbook."

wally

Obviously, because of the abomination of slavery and the fact that Barak Obama is our first African American President, we are to give him a pass on his racist views, since they are both understandable and excusable!

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Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 08:24:57 AM
Obviously, because of the abomination of slavery and the fact that Barak Obama is our first African American President, we are to give him a pass on his racist views, since they are both understandable and excusable!

For heaven's sake, don't forget that 'white guilt' thingy that we white people are supposed to all be afflicted or inflicted with.  I believe that our collective white guilt helped to elect Obama.  I can only hope that we're over that by 2012.

wally

Quote from: crepe05 on October 16, 2010, 08:40:38 AM
For heaven's sake, don't forget that 'white guilt' thingy that we white people are supposed to all be afflicted or inflicted with.  I believe that our collective white guilt helped to elect Obama.  I can only hope that we're over that by 2012.
I've never really had any of that myself.  Am I different than others, in that regard?  maybe it's because I grew up with an awareness of the fact that many of my ancestors died fighting for (among other things) the freedom of those enslaved in this country and some even were actively involved in the Underground Railroad, helping 'negros' follow the drinking gourd' to Canada.  I also grew up admiring an older cousin who was a freedom rider on the buses sent from our church down to fight the (Democrats) who were keeping the (negros, at the time) enslaved under the Jim Crow laws, in the deep south.  I wished I were old enough to have risked my life then too for what I considered a noble and just cause!

I am a direct descedent of Horace Greeley (a prominent abolitionsist, as well as newspaper man) and as such, I feel no shame for the position my family has always taken regarding the oppression of our fellow human beings!

Having said all this,  two  three  things come to mind;

    1.   I have nothing to feel guilty or ashamed about, when it comes to the issue of race.

    2.   Nobody living today has any reason to share "collective guilt" for the actions of their
          ancestors.  Europeans brought slavery to their colonies in the new world long before
          their was a nation known as the United States of America;  It was the way things were
          in these "dark ages" (no pun intended).  Slavery is as old as mankind itself and was practiced
          in Africa long before it's exploitation by Europeans and the UN reports that it is still being
          practiced in some African nations today!

     3.  WhAT HAVE ANY OF THE POMINENT RACE BAITERS SUCH AS AL SHARPTEN, JESSE JACKSON,
          JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND BARAK OBAMA EVER DONE TO PROMOTE HARMONY AND GOOD WILL
          BETWEEN ALL THE RACES IN AMERICA AND THIS WORLD?
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Black liberation theology is this: that the teachings of Christianity through Jesus (that's the "theology" part) apply to all people, of every color, including all Negro people, and that those Christian teachings assert all people are inherently equal in the eyes of God and so black people, specifically (that's the "black" part), ought to receive at the hands of society treatment equal to that received by whites and other races (that's the "liberation" part); and that's pretty much all there is to black liberation theology.

Keeping in mind that black liberation theology appeared in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the question is this: Is it "racist" for an oppressed race to strive for social treatment and basic status equal to that of the privileged (white) race in a given society?

And, given that that blacks have not yet achieved full social equality in some ways, for example in employment in the absence of affirmative action quotas; in the disproportionate number of blacks who are convicted of crimes, imprisoned, and sentenced to death, compared to whites convicted of similar crimes across the board; in lending practices; etc, another question remains: Is there not still some legitimate need for a black liberation theology movement?
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Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Black liberation theology is this: that the teachings of Christianity through Jesus (that's the "theology" part) apply to all people, of every color, including all Negro people, and that those Christian teachings assert all people are inherently equal in the eyes of God and so black people, specifically (that's the "black" part), ought to receive at the hands of society treatment equal to that received by whites and other races (that's the "liberation" part); and that's pretty much all there is to black liberation theology.

Keeping in mind that black liberation theology appeared in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the question is this: Is it "racist" for an oppressed race to strive for social treatment and basic status equal to that of the privileged (white) race in a given society?

And, given that that blacks have not yet achieved full social equality in some ways, for example in employment in the absence of affirmative action quotas; in the disproportionate number of blacks who are convicted of crimes, imprisoned, and sentenced to death, compared to whites convicted of similar crimes across the board; in lending practices; etc, another question remains: Is there not still some legitimate need for a black liberation theology movement?

I noticed you are capitalizing "God" and "Christianity".  Have you always done that?
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Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Black liberation theology is this: that the teachings of Christianity through Jesus (that's the "theology" part) apply to all people, of every color, including all Negro people, and that those Christian teachings assert all people are inherently equal in the eyes of God and so black people, specifically (that's the "black" part), ought to receive at the hands of society treatment equal to that received by whites and other races (that's the "liberation" part); and that's pretty much all there is to black liberation theology.

Keeping in mind that black liberation theology appeared in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the question is this: Is it "racist" for an oppressed race to strive for social treatment and basic status equal to that of the privileged (white) race in a given society?

And, given that that blacks have not yet achieved full social equality in some ways, for example in employment in the absence of affirmative action quotas; in the disproportionate number of blacks who are convicted of crimes, imprisoned, and sentenced to death, compared to whites convicted of similar crimes across the board; in lending practices; etc, another question remains: Is there not still some legitimate need for a black liberation theology movement?
You make some good points rick, but, and yes, there is a but.
What was once as you described a necessary movement, it has been corrupted by the likes of Wright and many others.

Lets take your point about blacks and crime, that has nothing whatsoever to do with White oppression, Blacks have the same advantages as say, a poor White guy, like myself, I had nothing at all when I started my first business, except drive and determination.
What is it that is holding my black counterpart back?
Answer, his peers, he is ridiculed as being a sell out, an Uncle Tom, this is a cultural issue, not oppression from White race.
Giving someone special treatment based solely on race is a mistake, people have to earn something, to feel good about themselves.

I'd have to say, it is the Black man that is his own worst enemy, not all, mind you, but a very large percentage.
It's a cultural issue, that only they can overcome, nothing you and I, or the Dims can fix.
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Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Black liberation theology is this: that the teachings of Christianity through Jesus (that's the "theology" part) apply to all people, of every color, including all Negro people, and that those Christian teachings assert all people are inherently equal in the eyes of God and so black people, specifically (that's the "black" part), ought to receive at the hands of society treatment equal to that received by whites and other races (that's the "liberation" part); and that's pretty much all there is to black liberation theology.

Keeping in mind that black liberation theology appeared in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the question is this: Is it "racist" for an oppressed race to strive for social treatment and basic status equal to that of the privileged (white) race in a given society?

And, given that that blacks have not yet achieved full social equality in some ways, for example in employment in the absence of affirmative action quotas; in the disproportionate number of blacks who are convicted of crimes, imprisoned, and sentenced to death, compared to whites convicted of similar crimes across the board; in lending practices; etc, another question remains: Is there not still some legitimate need for a black liberation theology movement?

Obvously you have a different understanding of Black Liberation Theology than Rev. Wright.

Did you view this clip of his interview with Bill Moyers?
Black Liberation Theology
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Quote from: taxed on October 16, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
I noticed you are capitalizing "God" and "Christianity".  Have you always done that?
Yeah, pretty much. It's a grammatical convention, capitalizing a proper name; like capitalizing Istanbul or John Smith. "God" is a technically a noun of designation hijacked for use as a proper name in the monotheistic religions. Really it's just laziness: since there's only one deity, there's no need to designate he/she/it by a proper name ...even though he/she/it has one; but "God" is a quicker write than "Jehovah," "Elohim," or "Yaweh." And Christianity is the proper name of the religion created to worship Jesus (proper name again) who was called "the Christ" (proper title), meaning "the anointed one."
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Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 02:11:05 PM
Obvously you have a different understanding of Black Liberation Theology than Rev. Wright.

Did you view this clip of his interview?
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=390.0
I'm not required to have the same underastanding of black liberation theology as Rev. Wright. I hasten to point out the understanding of Islam, vis-a-vis what is permitted against "infidels," held by a Muslim radical from Pakistan will differ sharply from that of a secular Muslim from Turkey. I simply tell you what balck liberation theology is at its most basic; which is not to say it cannot be radicalized just as Islamicists have radicalized the interpretation of the Qur'an, and followers of Christian Identity have radicalized certain interpretations of the Bible.
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Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 02:18:55 PM
I'm not required to have the same understanding of black liberation theology as Rev. Wright. I hasten to point out the understanding of Islam, vis-a-vis what is permitted against "infidels," held by a Muslim radical from Pakistan will differ sharply from that of a secular Muslim from Turkey. I simply tell you what balck liberation theology is at its most basic; which is not to say it cannot be radicalized just as Islamicists have radicalized the interpretation of the Qur'an, and followers of Christian Identity have radicalized certain interpretations of the Bible.
So you are saying that there is a subsect of this subsect?

Something like Polygamists churches like the Branch Dravidian's being offshoots from the Mormon (Church of the Latter Day Saints).

If this is so, why in Heaven's name wouldn't true Believers in Black Theology speak out and take a stand against the sect that Obama chose to belong to right up through it becoming a major campaign obstacle for him?  Like Islamic Jihadists, don't such perversions of a broader Religion become the dominant perception if left unchallenged!

One would think that people would stand up for what they believed in, if they saw blasphamy being committed in the name of their religion!
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Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
You make some good points rick, but, and yes, there is a but.
There always is.

QuoteWhat was once as you described a necessary movement, it has been corrupted by the likes of Wright and many others.
Which I touched on in my reply to wally. There is nothing good which cannot be twisted and radicalized into something bad. An obvious historical example with which I'm well acquainted: the radicalization of evolution by natural selection into "social darwinism" which illegitimately equated a particular social theory to a particular biological theory, dressing up the old social axiom "might makes right" in a costume that somewhat resembled a biologist's lab coat. (And while we may argue the ethics of eugenics and sociobiology, at least those particular disciplines have their feet firmly planted in observational biology not sociology.) Social darwinism was nothing but a radical attempt by "the haves" to rationalize their position relative to "the have-nots," and, further, to also justify the creation and spread of social attitudes, policies and programs which were specifically meant to maintain an inviolable gap between both sides.

QuoteLets take your point about blacks and crime, that has nothing whatsoever to do with White oppression, Blacks have the same advantages as say, a poor White guy, like myself, I had nothing at all when I started my first business, except drive and determination.
What is it that is holding my black counterpart back?
What does this have to do, specifically, with criminal conviction/incarceration rates and sentencing disparities? Studies like those put out annually by the Justice Department, confirm that blacks are convicted of crimes at a higher proportional rate than whites (even though white criminals outnumber black criminals by about 6 to 1 in America there's a disproportionate number of blacks of both sexes in prison compared to whites), and on average blacks receive harsher sentences than whites upon conviction for the same crimes. What does that have to do with "opportunity?"

QuoteAnswer, his peers, he is ridiculed as being a sell out, an Uncle Tom, this is a cultural issue, not oppression from White race.
No, because "cultures" do not convict, juries or judges do; and "cultures" do not sentence convicted criminals, judges do. And the demographic on American judges, in case you're interested, is overwhelmingly white.

QuoteGiving someone special treatment based solely on race is a mistake, people have to earn something, to feel good about themselves.
I agree with that. However, speaking about affirmative action, how are we to ensure equitable social treatment for blacks in a white-dominated society without installing what amounts to a broad system of quotas? I certainly don't like quotas: I believe in access to the workplace and subsequent promotion based on merit. But not everyone is as open-minded as I am about race. There are many whites who will refuse to hire a black man over a white one, or refuse to promote a black woman over a white one, and who will then smugly hide their bigotry behind a lie of "merit." Since such employers certainly don't advertise their bigotry (it being against current laws), no black person seeking a job has an equitable chance with them. And the ramifications of white bigotry go far beyond blacks seeking work; the ramifications extend into virtually every area of American social interaction.

QuoteI'd have to say, it is the Black man that is his own worst enemy, not all, mind you, but a very large percentage.
And I agree with that too. In this time of a black man (or half-black, as you prefer) in the White House, "black culture" is more often than not its own worst enemy, and has been since at least the 70s.

QuoteIt's a cultural issue, that only they can overcome, nothing you and I, or the Dims can fix.
In the main that's true, I think. But there's also still a significant portion of the problem that's controlled by whites.
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Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 02:23:05 PM
So you are saying that there is a subsect of this subsect?

Something like Polygamists churches like the Branch Dravidian's being offshoots from the Mormon (Church of the Latter Day Saints).

If this is so, why in Heaven's name wouldn't true Believers in Black Theology speak out and take a stand against the sect that Obama chose to belong to right up through it becoming a major campaign obstacle for him?  Like Islamic Jihadists, don't such perversions of a broader Religion become the dominant perception if left unchallenged!
Perhaps for the same reasons liberal Christians generally don't raise a stink against the excesses and foolishness of fundamentalists until they do something utterly outrageous, like blow up Planned Parenthood centers and murder abortion providers: it's a subconscious act of solidarity with those who hold at least the same core beliefs even if the details surrounding them differ by quite a bit.

QuoteOne would think that people would stand up for what they believed in, if they saw blasphamy being committed in the name of their religion!
Are you a Christian? ...There was an abortion provider murdered not so long ago. Did you agree with the method employed by his killer? If not, did you raise a big public stink about the insane excesses of Christian fundmentalists? If not, I think you already know the answer to your own question.
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Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 03:11:47 PM

What does this have to do, specifically, with criminal conviction/incarceration rates and sentencing disparities? Studies like those put out annually by the Justice Department, confirm that blacks are convicted of crimes at a higher proportional rate than whites (even though white criminals outnumber black criminals by about 6 to 1 in America there's a disproportionate number of blacks of both sexes in prison compared to whites), and on average blacks receive harsher sentences than whites upon conviction for the same crimes. What does that have to do with "opportunity?"
No, because "cultures" do not convict, juries or judges do; and "cultures" do not sentence convicted criminals, judges do. And the demographic on American judges, in case you're interested, is overwhelmingly white.
Like I said, it's a cultural issue. IO grew up in a black neighborhood, they have a very different way of looking at things.
Take pride for example, if a cop stopped a black in my neighborhood, there was a confrontational atmosphere projected by the Black guy, not always, but far more than the White culture does.
I know, I saw this on a regular basis, Cop pulls up, says, "How ta doing today"?
The response from my friends an myself was always warm and friendly, but same scenario with a black, and the cop gets a cold look with a delay in answering, that is not how you make friends.
So when a Black guy gets busted, he takes his attitude right into the courtroom, that is his first mistake, his second is the idea that he will be hung out to dry.
You and I have a different view, we see the justice system as trying to do the right thing, Blacks have the opposite view.

Quote
I agree with that. However, speaking about affirmative action, how are we to ensure equitable social treatment for blacks in a white-dominated society without installing what amounts to a broad system of quotas?
Why is it our responsibility?
QuoteI certainly don't like quotas: I believe in access to the workplace and subsequent promotion based on merit. But not everyone is as open-minded as I am about race. There are many whites who will refuse to hire a black man over a white one, or refuse to promote a black woman over a white one, and who will then smugly hide their bigotry behind a lie of "merit." Since such employers certainly don't advertising their bigotry It being against current laws), no black person seeking a job has an equitable chance with them. And the ramifications of white bigotry go far beyond blacks seeking work; the ramifications extend into virtually every area of American social interaction.
Why is it anyone's responsibility to right all wrongs?
We are an accumulation of our life experiences, if a White business owner has bad experiences with Black people, is it not his right to hire someone he knows he can get along with?
There is no reason he can't start his own business and hire only Blacks, and many Black business owners do, I have no problem with that.
QuoteAnd I agree with that too. In this time of a black man (or half-black, as you prefer) in the White House, "black culture" is more often than not its own worst enemy, and has been since at least the 70s.
In the main that's true, I think. But there's also still a significant portion of the problem that's controlled by whites.
Just because the majority of our infrastructure is owned by Whites, doesn't mean they are keeping the Black man out, most business hires the best person for the job, remember, it is after all, all about profit.
Take BP or any other large corporation, if they open a business in a predominantly black area, they find the best people from the area to fill the positions.
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