Quote from: Dan on October 16, 2010, 04:49:46 PM
Do you know how easy it is to prove Charles Darwin wrong? Just stand in a Wal-Mart checkout line and I guarantee you will stop believing in the concept of natural selection.

You're a shmuck, Dan, and obviously a complete ignoramus when it comes to the subject of evolution by natural selection (or any of its other mechanisms), otherwise you would have never posted such a wooden-headed remark even in jest.

QuoteSecond, I high fived my buddy when I heard Tiller the baby killer got a late term abortion himself. 185th or so trimester by my estimation.

There you go, a knuckle-dragging fundie asshat who believes cold-blooded murder could ever please Jesus.

Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 04:58:00 PM
The Black Theology that seems to be embraced by the radicals of today, sounds much like the rantings of Malcome X during the sixties

You might want to backtrack slightly on Malcolm X, who following his hajj to Mecca returned to the US to spend the remainder of his life preaching on behalf of racial unity.

Quoteand Louis Farrakahn throughout his hate mongering career.  I not only respected Martin Luther King at the time, but I felt as though a part of me died with him when he was assasinated.  I was inspired by Dr. King because he spoke to my heart and I believed then and still do today that people ought to be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin!!!

Yes, they should be. And what a delightful world this would be if everyone believed that. But the unhappy fact is that they don't, do they?

QuoteI hate the Race Baiters who make such a good living by exploiting the difference in people, rather than rejoicing in the goodness of each human spirit and promoting the worth of all people in a society that is both color blind and gender neutral!

Then almost by this self-assigned definition you must hate the Birthers, am I right? Because they all live and die by race-baiting over Obama.

QuoteFrom what I've heard and read, Black Liberation Theology fans the flames of hatred between the races and I therefore condemn it!  Am I wrong!

You've likely only heard the black liberation theology that's made it into the news. Earlier I told you what the core of it is about, in my initial post in this thread. You can correctly call what I described as "mainstream black liberation theology" and Wright's version as radical black liberation theology. Think of it as the same distinction you find between peace-loving Muslims (the "mainstream") and Hamas (the radicals).

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 05:37:48 PM
I don't know if it is a cult or not. It's definitely a means to keep blacks angry and ignorant, and dependent...

Really? By what mechanisms? I'm not talking about Wright's brand of BLT but the mainstream version I described earlier.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 06:59:59 PM
I mentioned three of those areas earlier.

This isn't black and white, taxed, it's all shades of gray. Because nothing is ever perfectly good there will always be areas touched by racism, areas in need of improvement; and because nothing is ever perfectly bad there will always be perceptions of racism where none exists or are unintended. But working for the reduction of racism in the places it still exists neither "keeps the stigma alive" nor "breeds negativity" but rather encourages social harmony and moves toward a more positive world.

Give an example.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2010, 03:36:51 PMWhy is it our responsibility? Why is it anyone's responsibility to right all wrongs?

Not all wrongs, perhaps, but there's a bit of a constitutional mandate to rectify this one and others like it, going back to the explicit obligation (found in the Constitution's preamble) of the government to "insure domestic tranquility." Can you not agree that the end of racism would produce a nation more tranquil domestically than one in which racism is allowed to survive and flourish?

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Give an example.

It should be self-evident: a society without racism is superior to one with racism. Or, if you don't like the word "superior," then a society without racism is more peaceful.

Quote from: taxed on October 16, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
A lot of racism is in the black man's head.

I don't blame them. They have been spoon fed it by the left and People like Sharpton for generations...

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 07:36:04 PM
I don't blame them. They have been spoon fed it by the left and People like Sharpton for generations...

Not to mention having it literally pounded into their heads by innumerable cops, southern hayseeds, and northern skinheads and the various political, social, and religious kith and kin of the aforementioned.

Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 09:02:41 AM
I've never really had any of that myself.  Am I different than others, in that regard?  maybe it's because I grew up with an awareness of the fact that many of my ancestors died fighting for (among other things) the freedom of those enslaved in this country and some even were actively involved in the Underground Railroad, helping 'negros' follow the drinking gourd' to Canada.  I also grew up admiring an older cousin who was a freedom rider on the buses sent from our church down to fight the (Democrats) who were keeping the (negros, at the time) enslaved under the Jim Crow laws, in the deep south.  I wished I were old enough to have risked my life then too for what I considered a noble and just cause!

I am a direct descedent of Horace Greeley (a prominent abolitionsist, as well as newspaper man) and as such, I feel no shame for the position my family has always taken regarding the oppression of our fellow human beings!

Having said all this,  two  three  things come to mind;

    1.   I have nothing to feel guilty or ashamed about, when it comes to the issue of race.

    2.   Nobody living today has any reason to share "collective guilt" for the actions of their
          ancestors.  Europeans brought slavery to their colonies in the new world long before
          their was a nation known as the United States of America;  It was the way things were
          in these "dark ages" (no pun intended).  Slavery is as old as mankind itself and was practiced
          in Africa long before it's exploitation by Europeans and the UN reports that it is still being
          practiced in some African nations today!

     3.  WhAT HAVE ANY OF THE POMINENT RACE BAITERS SUCH AS AL SHARPTEN, JESSE JACKSON,
          JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND BARAK OBAMA EVER DONE TO PROMOTE HARMONY AND GOOD WILL
          BETWEEN ALL THE RACES IN AMERICA AND THIS WORLD?

BLT is simply Social Justice enforced by white guilt.

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
BLT is simply Social Justice enforced by white guilt.

More like white shame ...and shame can be a positive force for good.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 07:30:07 PM
It should be self-evident: a society without racism is superior to one with racism. Or, if you don't like the word "superior," then a society without racism is more peaceful.

But that does not answer the question, you stated

Quote"But working for the reduction of racism in the places it still exists neither "keeps the stigma alive" nor "breeds negativity" but rather encourages social harmony and moves toward a more positive world."

So give an example of working to reduce racism.

Actually BLT has played an important role in our society. It helps the liberals with their self loathing....

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 08:18:36 PM
Actually BLT has played an important role in our society. It helps the liberals with their self loathing....

And Bert, having run out of anything intelligent to say, leans heavily, panting hard, against the affectionate, nonjudging sheep of the conservative talking point.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
But that does not answer the question, you stated So give an example of working to reduce racism.

Do you hear crickets?

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 08:33:12 PM
Do you hear crickets?

Yeah, I definitely hear crickets...