A lot of racism is in the black man's head.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 03:21:57 PM
Perhaps for the same reasons liberal Christians generally don't raise a stink against the excesses and foolishness of fundamentalists until they do something utterly outrageous, like blow up Planned Parenthood centers and murder abortion providers: it's a subconscious act of solidarity with those who hold at least the same core beliefs even if the details surrounding them differ by quite a bit.
Are you a Christian? ...There was an abortion provider murdered not so long ago. Did you agree with the method employed by his killer? If not, did you raise a big public stink about the insane excesses of Christian fundmentalists? If not, I think you already know the answer to your own question.

I think you must be turning a deaf ear to the loud condemnation made by Christian Churches against violent acts in general and whenever they have occurred including the Murder of Dr. Tiller.

I am a Christian, but I didn't raise a big stink because of the actions of a cazy person!  I did condemn the murder of Dr. Tiller and condemned the actions of Dr. Tiller, as well, on LNF when the topic came up.

I'm concerned about the cult-like nature of the Black Theologist Church that Barak Obama belonged to for more than twenty years leading up to his becoming POTUS.  The state beliefs of Obama's church (and his Mentor) are more in line with Louis Farrakahn (Seemingly Jerremiah Wright's former Mentor)than they are of any other Christian Church that I'm aware of.

If you are correct that Wright and the Obama's Belief in Black Theology is different from the mainstream Black Theology, then how would anyone ever know this, unless this is address by others who follow this theology and practice this interpretation of Christianity!

Don't you believe if we have any POTUS who belonged to a Religious Cult, preaching bigotry and hate of white people and envy of any accumulation of wealth by any white people, that this is a topic of concern for the citizens of our nation?

Quote from: taxed on October 16, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
A lot of racism is in the black man's head.

Yes, a lot. But not all. There's still a significant amount of racism in America that happens outside a black man's head and beyond his ability to control. Things certainly aren't as bad as they once were, but neither are things as good as they might be.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 16, 2010, 04:09:54 PM
Yes, a lot. But not all. There's still a significant amount of racism in America that happens outside a black man's head and beyond his ability to control. Things certainly aren't as bad as they once were, but neither are things as good as they might be.

If you expect it "can be better", then you keep the stigma alive and breed negativity.  I can't think of scenarios where bigotry or racism is actually relevant in 2010.

Quote from: wally on October 16, 2010, 03:45:17 PM
I think you must be turning a deaf ear to the loud condemnation made by Christian Churches against violent acts in general and whenever they have occurred including the Murder of Dr. Tiller.

No, I didn't miss the public condemnations. But the negative response was far from universal as most churches and Christian leaders just sat mum on the sidelines, either not wishing to comment or content to let others do the condemning for them ...not to mention the churches, congregations and Christian leaders sitting passively in silent agreement of Tiller's murder.

QuoteI am a Christian, but I didn't raise a big stink because of the actions of a crazy person!  I did condemn the murder of Dr. Tiller and condemned the actions of Dr. Tiller, as well, on LNF when the topic came up.

Then good for you. I was there at the time; and others certainly didn't think Tiller's killer was "crazy," and openly applauded what he did. Jasmine, for example, was almost orgasmically pleased by Tiller's murder. And while her personal reaction was probably the strongest, she was certainly not alone in thinking Tiller's murder was not merely justifiable but in fact an act of God-pleasing Good.

QuoteI'm concerned about the cult-like nature of the Black Theologist Church that Barak Obama belonged to for more than twenty years leading up to his becoming POTUS.  The state beliefs of Obama's church (and his Mentor) are more in line with Louis Farrakahn (Seemingly Jerremiah Wright's former Mentor) than they are of any other Christian Church that I'm aware of.

Because Wright said "God damn America?" That exact sentiment was commonly heard during the 1st and 2nd Great Awakenings, when brimstone-breathing itinerant preachers and congregational ministers damned not just individual sinners but the whole sinful nation from the pulpit. Wright, for all the offense he gave, certainly wasn't the first pastor to ever damn America for its sins on behalf of God, and he won't be the last by a long shot. The only thing that made him noteworthy was the fact that a future President sat in his congregation. My response to that? As long as Obama doesn't act according to the angry theology of Rev. Wright, who cares what he thinks in the privacy of his own mind?

QuoteIf you are correct that Wright and the Obama's Belief in Black Theology is different from the mainstream Black Theology, then how would anyone ever know this, unless this is address by others who follow this theology and practice this interpretation of Christianity!

Maybe by the common-sense realization that few things - theological movements in this case - start life as foaming-at-the-mouth radicalism. Most begin as ideas that are deliberately presentable to the majority of people as reasonable, with radicalization coming later. Thus we get an environmental movement before we get EarthFirst! And we get (and most people have forgotten this) a majority (64%, to be exact) of Americans polling as wanting a relaxing of abortion laws before we get the Roe v. Wade decision from the Supreme Court. The list goes on and on...

QuoteDon't you believe if we have any POTUS who belonged to a Religious Cult

What makes it a "cult," precisely, as opposed to a particular narrow doctrinal approach?

Quotepreaching bigotry and hate of white people and envy of any accumulation of wealth by any white people, that this is a topic of concern for the citizens of our nation?

Again, as long as Obama doesn't act the way Rev. Wright might if he were President instead, what does it matter what Obama believes? I'm an atheist; yet would that matter in the end if I did nothing as President to threaten the right of conscience of Christians and other religious believers? I say that under those circumstances my personal beliefs would would be irrelevant.

Do you know how easy it is to prove Charles Darwin wrong? Just stand in a Wal-Mart checkout line and I guarantee you will stop believing in the concept of natural selection.

Second, I high fived my buddy when I heard Tiller the baby killer got a late term abortion himself. 185th or so trimester by my estimation.

The Black Theology that seems to be embraced by the radicals of today, sounds much like the rantings of Malcome X during the sixties and Louis Farrakahn throughout his hate mongering career.  I not only respected Martin Luther King at the time, but I felt as though a part of me died with him when he was assasinated.  I was inspired by Dr. King because he spoke to my heart and I believed then and still do today that people ought to be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin!!!

I hate the Race Baiters who make such a good living by exploiting the difference in people, rather than rejoicing in the goodness of each human spirit and promoting the worth of all people in a society that is both color blind and gender neutral!

From what I've heard and read, Black Liberation Theology fans the flames of hatred between the races and I therefore condemn it!  Am I wrong!

You're exactly right Wally. Just a bunch of race baiting fools who traffic in hate and profit from instilling fear.

Liberation?????

So black drug dealers, black gangsters, who enslave and murder their own people with drugs and fear can still operate...right?


Billy

I remember the late nineteen sixties and the movement in the black communities to develope pride in young black children.  The slogan was "black is beautiful" and you know what, that was beautiful and there was nothing wrong with it; in fact it was a wonderful healing initiative of the black community to turn the corner from both the institutional racism before the Civil Rights Movement and the Burn Baby Burn mentality of the Rabidly Radical Black Racists, like Malcome X.

I attended church with a few members of my church group in the inner city neighborhoods of some cities many miles away from my home.  I was (and still am) proud of my little pebble in the pond and whatever ripple of HOPE and CHANGE might have been created by our having made such a minor effort to be part of building a better nation!

After a life time of working in law enforcement, I have come to know the difference between both blacks and whites who either wish to make things better and those who actually want to perpetuate chaos, fanning the flames between people, using race as a vehicle to get to where they personally wish to go!

 I don't know if it is a cult or not. It's definitely a means to keep blacks angry and ignorant, and dependent...

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 05:37:48 PM
I don't know if it is a cult or not. It's definitely a means to keep blacks angry and ignorant, and dependent...

It must work, look at Husein,the Dumb Ass is punishing America out of hatred and ignorance. :))

Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 05:37:48 PM
I don't know if it is a cult or not. It's definitely a means to keep blacks angry and ignorant, and dependent...

Oddly, these points are some of the few areas where they actually don't need outside assistance.

Quote from: Dan on October 16, 2010, 06:39:02 PM
Oddly, these points are some of the few areas where they actually don't need outside assistance.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: taxed on October 16, 2010, 04:15:37 PM
If you expect it "can be better", then you keep the stigma alive and breed negativity.  I can't think of scenarios where bigotry or racism is actually relevant in 2010.

I mentioned three of those areas earlier.

This isn't black and white, taxed, it's all shades of gray. Because nothing is ever perfectly good there will always be areas touched by racism, areas in need of improvement; and because nothing is ever perfectly bad there will always be perceptions of racism where none exists or are unintended. But working for the reduction of racism in the places it still exists neither "keeps the stigma alive" nor "breeds negativity" but rather encourages social harmony and moves toward a more positive world.