What happens after South Carolina

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Coolidge23

Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary.  It's as I described it accurately and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.

That was a typo.
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Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary.  It's as I described it and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.

That was a typo.
Sheesh, pay attention. And note, my point stands, that it was "a semi-closed primary"

Open primary
An open primary is a primary election in which any registered voter can vote in any party's primary. Voters choose which primary to vote in; they do not have to be members of that party in order to vote.[7]

Closed primary
In a closed primary, only voters registered with the party that is holding the primary may vote. For example, if the Republican Party is holding a closed primary, then only voters registered as Republicans are permitted to vote in the primary.[8]

Hybrid primary
A hybrid primary, also known as a semi-closed or mixed primary, is a type of primary election used to choose candidates who will run in the general election. Fair Vote defines a semi-closed primary as follows:[9]

"    In a semi-closed primary, unaffiliated voters may choose which party primary to vote in, while voters registered with a party may only vote in that party's primary. Representing a middle ground between the exclusion of independent voters in a closed primary and the free-for-all of open primaries, the semi-closed primary eliminates concerns about voters registered in other parties from "raiding" another party's nominating contest.[10]
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Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary.  It's as I described it and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.

That was a typo.

You backtrack almost as well as your candidate!

ZiggyShrugs

IMHO, Republicans/conservatives are falling for the same tactics applied that wrought the Democrats Obama ... hope and change.  Those defending that kind of behavior WANT to believe one candidate's words so much, because he SAYS things they FEEL.  The charisma and flamboyance give the appearance of the "Angry American" like in the song, folks "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" line up to jump on that train, not really knowing or understanding the destination.  But Repubs/Conservs are supposed to be the party of rational, reasonable, responsible thought, not the party of "feelings". 
We -- by which I mean conservatives, republicans, those opposed to the liberal progressive mind-set -- had better start engaging that part of our brain and paying closer attention to what these candidates have done/are doing, instead of what all they are saying. 
Keep in mind, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but only a fool counts on it for the time.
Just my 2 cents.
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Quote from: ZiggyShrugs on February 21, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
IMHO, Republicans/conservatives are falling for the same tactics applied that wrought the Democrats Obama ... hope and change.  Those defending that kind of behavior WANT to believe one candidate's words so much, because he SAYS things they FEEL.  The charisma and flamboyance give the appearance of the "Angry American" like in the song, folks "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" line up to jump on that train, not really knowing or understanding the destination.  But Repubs/Conservs are supposed to be the party of rational, reasonable, responsible thought, not the party of "feelings". 
We -- by which I mean conservatives, republicans, those opposed to the liberal progressive mind-set -- had better start engaging that part of our brain and paying closer attention to what these candidates have done/are doing, instead of what all they are saying. 
Keep in mind, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but only a fool counts on it for the time.
Just my 2 cents.

Nailed it.

Anger, in this case warranted, clouds peoples' minds. Consequently, the conservatives who are supporting Trump are blinded to the shallowness of Trump. He has not shared any depth in "Making America great again".
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Seems to me the "gimme something different" momentum is blowing by the issues-voters because Pubs/Conservs are allowing the media to run the game.  I really can't understand how we can't capitalize on the playbook of the team that won previously and start using some of the same plays. 

Too many don't want to "waste" time doing their own research, they just listen to the soundbites, speeches, and debates without investing the effort to find out exactly who their candidate is -- what they do, vs. what they say.

My pic has some "issues" that have caused me concern.  I am vetting him, looking into the concerns and trying to get tot he bottom of it - whether it's a hack job or there is substance to the allegations.  I don't agree directly blaming someone for the actions of their supporters is definitively appropriate, but strictly speaking from the top down, if you're looking the American citizen in the eye and stating emphatically asking for their trust, you better know what the rest of those that speak in your name are telling the truth too.

I do believe someone can have a change of heart, but changing who they are deep down which can ONLY be evidenced by consistent action(s), that's a different ball of wax.
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Quote from: Hoofer on February 21, 2016, 06:55:57 AM
reposting....

20% of Trump's voting block is Democrat, of 240,000, that's 46,000 votes by non-GOP.
Trump's negatives are 62% - with those high negatives, Trump pulled 194,000 GOP voters.

I'll go slow here, think about it... (averaging numbers)
Of the 690,000 GOP voters, 500,000 votes were NOT for Donald Trump.

28% Trump
24% Rubio
24% Cruz
24% Jeb, Kasich, Carson (each was 8%)

Before anyone gets all excited about a "Trump Landslide", remember if any ONE of the lower tier candidates had dropped out - Rubio or Cruz would have won.

"Oh, but Trump still won!  rah, rah, rah"
...Jeb? just dropped out.  Kasich and Carson are probably going soon too - the $ well is dry.

It's FAR from over, Donald Romney Trump is in trouble, he doesn't have the GOP base.
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house.  :thumbup:  thanks for the point of view.           

Coolidge23

Quote from: s3779m on February 22, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house.  :thumbup:  thanks for the point of view.           

Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?

By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
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Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?

By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
Trump has the highest percentage of negatives of any front runner in history, and none of them won either.
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Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2016, 06:28:12 AM
Trump has the highest percentage of negatives of any front runner in history, and none of them won either.

Well I think history shows that this far out those polls and numbers will change.  The election is ten months away.  That's five lifetimes in politics.

I find all polls matching up the potential Dem vs potential rep this far out to be worthless.

When the nominees are decided and support on both sides is consolidated and solidified then I will start taking those polls seriously.
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Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:31:34 AM
Well I think history shows that this far out those polls and numbers will change.  The election is ten months away.  That's five lifetimes in politics.

I find all polls matching up the potential Dem vs potential rep this far out to be worthless.

When the nominees are decided and support on both sides is consolidated and solidified then I will start taking those polls seriously.
Actually his negatives have continued to climb. That's unheard of for a front runner.
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Quote from: s3779m on February 22, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house.  :thumbup:  thanks for the point of view.           

Like most people, I was initially surprised, but shouldn't have been.

Donald Trump's campaign staff told radio talk show host, Ben Ferguson over the weekend, the only path to victory is splitting that 70% of the vote.  His numbers have been "stuck" around the 30% approval for months.   Mark Levin has also said these high disapproval numbers are unprecedented, nobody has ever won the General with numbers like these.

I believe you could be onto something, a brokered convention might actually be Rubio's path to the White House, and... Donald Trump leaving the Republican Party for an Independent run, teaming with Hillary or exiting altogether. 

While the main stream media is huffing and puffing about the so-called landslide Trump victory over Cruz, let's not kid ourselves, he got 4% more of the GOP vote than Cruz or Rubio - if EITHER ONE drops out, Trump is done.

Carson is a spoiler.  Had me fooled for awhile, not any more.
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Possum

Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?

By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
If they had the negatives in their rating that trump has i might say you have a point, but they don't.