Quote from: kroz on April 28, 2015, 08:43:02 AM
He is just as white as he is black.  But he chooses to ignore that side of his family.

Yep Obama will forever be in the history books as the "first black president" when in point of fact he's not. He's not even the first mixed race President at that. 

Quote from: daidalos on April 29, 2015, 12:41:23 PM
Yep Obama will forever be in the history books as the "first black president" when in point of fact he's not. He's not even the first mixed race President at that. 

Wasn't Bill Clinton referred to as the first black president? So Obama is #2 

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 28, 2015, 03:44:45 PM
Giles, as you know I tend to agree with you most of the time. However, in this case I do not. I, in no way, blame the Black community for Obama's shortcomings. I blame him. Now the fact 90% of the Black vote went to Obama is not the fault of the "White" community.

The fact that he got elected with 50+ % of the electorate means that far more whites than blacks voted for him. THAT MEANS THAT WHITE PEOPLE ELECTED HIM! The entire black [population could have disappeared and it would have had little or no effect. Some how a minority population is - ONCE AGAIN - being blamed for something stupid, WHITE FOLKS did. BLACKS are not responsible for putting Obama in office. If you White Folks hadn't wanted him, he wouldn't be there. AND I am really tired of a half white, half AFRICAN President, Raised by his WHITE mother and his WHITE communist grandparents, who was elected by WHITES, being blamed in any way, shape or form on blacks. You WHITE folks do the same thing over and over again. SOMEHOW anything done by anyone whose skin is dark becomes the responsibility of ALL blacks no matter how little the majority of us mattered. After 300 years on this side of the ocean, WHITE people still seem inherently incapable of seeing, or thinking of, blacks as individuals.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 29, 2015, 04:06:42 PM
The fact that he got elected with 50+ % of the electorate means that far more whites than blacks voted for him. THAT MEANS THAT WHITE PEOPLE ELECTED HIM! The entire black [population could have disappeared and it would have had little or no effect. Some how a minority population is - ONCE AGAIN - being blamed for something stupid, WHITE FOLKS did. BLACKS are not responsible for putting Obama in office. If you White Folks hadn't wanted him, he wouldn't be there. AND I am really tired of a half white, half AFRICAN President, Raised by his WHITE mother and his WHITE communist grandparents, who was elected by WHITES, being blamed in any way, shape or form on blacks. You WHITE folks do the same thing over and over again. SOMEHOW anything done by anyone whose skin is dark becomes the responsibility of ALL blacks no matter how little the majority of us mattered. After 300 years on this side of the ocean, WHITE people still seem inherently incapable of seeing, or thinking of, blacks as individuals.

I'll agree with you here! I blame a lot of people who stayed home and didn't vote for Obama winning both times! Romney was not my choice but I voted for him! Hands down he would have been better then what we got! Sure he isn't conservative enough but I do believe he loves this country and his policies would have been much better then what we got! I'll tell you right now I will turn out and vote for whoever wins the republican primary because damage from 4 or 8 years of Hillary is something I just couldn't imagine!   

Quote from: mdgiles on April 29, 2015, 04:06:42 PM
The fact that he got elected with 50+ % of the electorate means that far more whites than blacks voted for him. THAT MEANS THAT WHITE PEOPLE ELECTED HIM! The entire black [population could have disappeared and it would have had little or no effect. Some how a minority population is - ONCE AGAIN - being blamed for something stupid, WHITE FOLKS did. BLACKS are not responsible for putting Obama in office. If you White Folks hadn't wanted him, he wouldn't be there. AND I am really tired of a half white, half AFRICAN President, Raised by his WHITE mother and his WHITE communist grandparents, who was elected by WHITES, being blamed in any way, shape or form on blacks. You WHITE folks do the same thing over and over again. SOMEHOW anything done by anyone whose skin is dark becomes the responsibility of ALL blacks no matter how little the majority of us mattered. After 300 years on this side of the ocean, WHITE people still seem inherently incapable of seeing, or thinking of, blacks as individuals.

I do not disagree with you. I cannot believe how so many people, Black and White, cannot see through what Obama actually is. I guess my bottom line is when will the great majority of Black community wake up and realize how democrats take their vote for granted with nothing in return for the average citizen?

Obama is half white and half black.... but for all practical purposes the white half has been ignored.

Why?

Because Obama learned very early in life that he could exploit his black half.  The white half offered him no advantages.  The black half offered him endless advantages.  He could take advantage of all of the minority perks..... there is an entire government agency devoted to minorities... OEO.. Office of equal opportunities.

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 04:44:05 AM
Obama is half white and half black.... but for all practical purposes the white half has been ignored.

Why?

Because Obama learned very early in life that he could exploit his black half.  The white half offered him no advantages.  The black half offered him endless advantages.  He could take advantage of all of the minority perks..... there is an entire government agency devoted to minorities... OEO.. Office of equal opportunities.

In reality, where Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, his half whiteness was an advantage for most of his life. He blended in. He had nothing to do with blacks either growing up or in school. It was only when he got out of law school and decided to use th black community for a power base, did he make any attempt to be black. He sat in Rev Wright's pews and married Mochelle simply so he wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb among blacks. At the same time he had been raised white so he was comfortable among them, and wasn't as threatening as a Jackson or a Sharpton. All whites saw was a white guy with a good tan.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 30, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
In reality, where Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, his half whiteness was an advantage for most of his life. He blended in. He had nothing to do with blacks either growing up or in school. It was only when he got out of law school and decided to use th black community for a power base, did he make any attempt to be black. He sat in Rev Wright's pews and married Mochelle simply so he wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb among blacks. At the same time he had been raised white so he was comfortable among them, and wasn't as threatening as a Jackson or a Sharpton. All whites saw was a white guy with a good tan.

Obama never looked like a white.  He always had darker skin than any white person with a tan.

And when he was in Indonesia he was not with white people.  Indonesians' skin tones run from dark to black.... with afro hair texture.  You would never mistake an Indonesian for an anglo.

It is likely that Obama claimed to be a foreigner when he applied to Columbia University.  That is why his school records have never been revealed.  He "roomed" with a Pakistani student that was dark skinned.   There are no records of ANY anglo friends of Obama's during college.  As a matter of fact, almost no one can be found that knew him at Columbia.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 30, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
In reality, where Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, his half whiteness was an advantage for most of his life. He blended in. He had nothing to do with blacks either growing up or in school. It was only when he got out of law school and decided to use th black community for a power base, did he make any attempt to be black. He sat in Rev Wright's pews and married Mochelle simply so he wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb among blacks. At the same time he had been raised white so he was comfortable among them, and wasn't as threatening as a Jackson or a Sharpton. All whites saw was a white guy with a good tan.

Based on the research shown in the documentary "2016: Obama's America" this is true. If we are to play the race game then Obama is much more white than black, and he is more muslim than white. From the race perspective the liberal have then "Trayvond Martin" could never have been Obama's son, for the same reasons he could never have been Mitt Romney's son.

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
Obama never looked like a white.  He always had darker skin than any white person with a tan.

And when he was in Indonesia he was not with white people.  Indonesians' skin tones run from dark to black.... with afro hair texture.  You would never mistake an Indonesian for an anglo.

It is likely that Obama claimed to be a foreigner when he applied to Columbia University.  That is why his school records have never been revealed.  He "roomed" with a Pakistani student that was dark skinned.   There are no records of ANY anglo friends of Obama's during college.  As a matter of fact, almost no one can be found that knew him at Columbia.

Indonesians look like Malays, like Filipinos. Or like Pacific Islanders like Samoans. Unless you get all the way over to New Guinea you won't see anyone who resembles an American black. The people who his step father associated with were American oil men and their families - white. As for his friends acquaintances in college, most remember that he hung around with American white or foreign Muslim students. Remember his mysterious trip to Pakistan. And as I noted Obama never associated with blacks until he came Chicago. BTW Pakistanis speak Urdu, an Indo-European language like English, Russian, Persian or Hindi. They are "white" - they are Hitler's original Aryans. And some Indonesians can be mistaken for Anglos. All Anglos aren't blond hair and blue eyed.

EDIT: One other thing. Blacks skin color does get darker with prolonged exposure to sunlight. ALL humans do. If you look at pictures of Obama as a young child, he is noticeably lighter than he is how. Way too much time on the golf course I guess.

Quote from: redbeard on April 29, 2015, 04:57:02 PM
I'll agree with you here! I blame a lot of people who stayed home and didn't vote for Obama winning both times! Romney was not my choice but I voted for him! Hands down he would have been better then what we got! Sure he isn't conservative enough but I do believe he loves this country and his policies would have been much better then what we got! I'll tell you right now I will turn out and vote for whoever wins the republican primary because damage from 4 or 8 years of Hillary is something I just couldn't imagine!

The problem is the urban versus rural votes, this is what makes Blue States: Blue States!

(snip)

Here a simple equation that illustrates the GOP's Electoral College obstacle:

1992 + 1988 + Florida = 270 Democratic White House.

The first number, 1992, represents ten states with a total of 152 electoral votes. These states have been won by every Democratic presidential nominee since the 1992 presidential election, when Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton defeated President George H. W. Bush.

Here are the ten states and their 152 electoral votes in order of value:

California (55)
Pennsylvania (20)
Illinois (20)
Michigan (16)
New Jersey (14)
Maryland (10)
Connecticut (7)
Maine (4)
Vermont (3)
Delaware (3)

The second number, 1988, represents nine states with a total of 90 electoral votes. These nine have been won by every Democratic presidential nominee since 1988, when Vice President George H. W. Bush defeated Massachusetts Governor Michael S. Dukakis. Here are the nine states with their 90 electoral votes:

New York (29)
Washington (12)
Massachusetts (11)
Minnesota (10)
Wisconsin (10)
Oregon (7)
Hawaii (4)
Rhode Island (4)
Washington, D.C. (3)

Now do the math: 152 votes since 1992 plus 90 votes since 1988 equals 242 electoral votes. The number 242 means only 28 more votes are needed to reach 270 and victory. Those 242 electoral votes could be considered the historic base from which a Democratic presidential candidate begins. (Notes: Minnesota, with ten electoral votes, has been won by every Democratic nominee since 1984. Washington, D.C., while technically not a state, has three electoral votes that have been won by every Democrat nominee since 1964.)

The 1992 and 1988 numbers are likely to stand in 2016 as they have for the last 24 to 28 years. That is unless a cataclysmic event or series of events dramatically changes voting behavior in states where the Democratic nominee for president has triumphed since 1988 or 1992. And as we know, in politics, anything is possible.

The third element in the equation is Florida, whose 29 electoral votes, added to the 242 total, would bring the Democratic nominee to 271 electoral votes, just over the 270 needed for White House victory.

The Sunshine State gives the GOP reasons to be concerned amid the joyful news of the midterm-election results. Incumbent Republican governor Rick Scott won reelection by only a 1.1 percent margin of victory on an Election Day that was otherwise a Republican blowout. That does not bode well for Florida's return to the red column in 2016.

Barack Obama won Florida in both 2008 and 2012. Before that, President George W. Bush won it in 2004 and was reelected. But, if you are unfamiliar with or need a refresher about the historic role that Florida played in the 2000 presidential election, amuse yourself by googling "Florida 2000 election" and "hanging chads."

Florida is the ultimate battleground state. Republicans must win it or they lose the White House, whereas Democrats can lose Florida and still piece together an electoral victory.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/6755mm/2014/11/15/democrats-still-big-advantage-electoral-college/

Roald Reagan was able to beat the odds an take 48 out of 50 states.  But the proplem is the Dems have an electoral house advantage for whoever their nominee is.  This is why we need to have a very strong candidate, unlike both McCain and Romney, who allowed themselves (and Republicans) to be attacked without going into the gutter where the Democrats always are.  The fact is...going negative wins!  McCain, then Romney wanted to show they were above all that!  Losing strategy!

Quote from: mdgiles on April 30, 2015, 12:49:46 PM
Indonesians look like Malays, like Filipinos. Or like Pacific Islanders like Samoans. Unless you get all the way over to New Guinea you won't see anyone who resembles an American black. The people who his step father associated with were American oil men and their families - white. As for his friends acquaintances in college, most remember that he hung around with American white or foreign Muslim students. Remember his mysterious trip to Pakistan. And as I noted Obama never associated with blacks until he came Chicago. BTW Pakistanis speak Urdu, an Indo-European language like English, Russian, Persian or Hindi. They are "white" - they are Hitler's original Aryans. And some Indonesians can be mistaken for Anglos. All Anglos aren't blond hair and blue eyed.

EDIT: One other thing. Blacks skin color does get darker with prolonged exposure to sunlight. ALL humans do. If you look at pictures of Obama as a young child, he is noticeably lighter than he is how. Way too much time on the golf course I guess.

Indonesians do NOT look like anglos.  I lived in Jakarta 12 years and employed many of them.  And some did have black skin with afro type hair.... but most were not that dark and had straight hair.  Indonesians have darker skin tones than Malays and Filipinos.  I have been to all of those countries but knew them also through the international school in Jakarta.

I have also been to Pakistan and I am familiar with the urdu language.  Pakistanis do not look anglo either.  I lived among many of them in Arabia.  Pakistanis were NOT Hitler's original aryans.  I don't know where you got that idea.  He merely adopted a logo from that region of the world.... the swastika.  It was used by many cultures but India adopted it and called it a swastika which is a word from their sanskrit language. 

All anglos have light skin.  We live in a melting pot of ethnicities.  There are myriads of influences in American bloodlines....... latin... from Italy and Spain.... and Chinese.... etc.  Therefore we have every skin tone imaginable here.  All Americans are not anglos and not many are pure anglo.

You say that Obama associated with whites in Indonesia because his step-father worked for an American oil company.  I assure you that Obama did not spend much time in his dad's office or attend office socials.  Obama went to school with Indonesian children and played with them.  He seldom saw other nationalities.

Sorry, but you cannot snow me on this subject.  I know what I am talking about.

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 01:30:15 PM
Indonesians do NOT look like anglos.  I lived in Jakarta 12 years and employed many of them.  And some did have black skin with afro type hair.... but most were not that dark and had straight hair.  Indonesians have darker skin tones than Malays and Filipinos.  I have been to all of those countries but knew them also through the international school in Jakarta.

I have also been to Pakistan and I am familiar with the urdu language.  Pakistanis do not look anglo either.  I lived among many of them in Arabia.  Pakistanis were NOT Hitler's original aryans.  I don't know where you got that idea.  He merely adopted a logo from that region of the world.... the swastika.  It was used by many cultures but India adopted it and called it a swastika which is a word from their sanskrit language. 

All anglos have light skin.  We live in a melting pot of ethnicities.  There are myriads of influences in American bloodlines....... latin... from Italy and Spain.... and Chinese.... etc.  Therefore we have every skin tone imaginable here.  All Americans are not anglos and not many are pure anglo.

You say that Obama associated with whites in Indonesia because his step-father worked for an American oil company.  I assure you that Obama did not spend much time in his dad's office or attend office socials.  Obama went to school with Indonesian children and played with them.  He seldom saw other nationalities.

Sorry, but you cannot snow me on this subject.  I know what I am talking about.

noun, plural Anglos.
1.
a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished especially from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent.

I guess that would include Americans of somewhere other than roses and cream Anglo-Saxon complexion or descent. In any case I added that postscript for people like you. Who have the habit of seeing non blond haired blue eyed people as darker than they actually are. Did a little traveling in the Marine Corps myself. They are not as dark as you think they are. Take that from someone who is actually dark skinned.

And yes, Pakistanis are Hitlers original Aryans. The Indo-European were conquerers of the northern Indian subcontinent, Persia and Europe. It's one of the reasons why the Indo-European languages resemble each other, and why Hitler sent expeditions to Tibet and Central Asia  to find the origins of the Aryans.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 30, 2015, 03:45:59 PM
noun, plural Anglos.
1.
a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished especially from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent.

I guess that would include Americans of somewhere other than roses and cream Anglo-Saxon complexion or descent. In any case I added that postscript for people like you. Who have the habit of seeing non blond haired blue eyed people as darker than they actually are. Did a little traveling in the Marine Corps myself. They are not as dark as you think they are. Take that from someone who is actually dark skinned.

















And yes, Pakistanis are Hitlers original Aryans. The Indo-European were conquerers of the northern Indian subcontinent, Persia and Europe. It's one of the reasons why the Indo-European languages resemble each other, and why Hitler sent expeditions to Tibet and Central Asia  to find the origins of the Aryans.

There are many differing definitions of the word Anglo.  You have cherry picked one to suit yourself.

This is a more accurate definition:

Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to the Angles, England, the English people, or the English language, such as in the term Anglo-Saxon language. It is often used alone, somewhat loosely, to refer to people of British Isles descent in The Americas, New Zealand and Australia.

BTW, Anglos and Aryans are NOT the same people at all.  You are the one that equated the two different groups.   Anglo is latin for England.

Maybe this explains why mdgiles is so angry.

It appears he lives in one of the most racist parts of the country.  Most of us do not.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/30/researchers-say-this-map-reveals-the-most-racist-areas-in-the-united-states/