I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"

Started by Yawn, November 15, 2012, 11:56:54 AM

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Cryptic Bert

She is only black when it suits the lefts needs...

Cryptic Bert

More importantly she is a raving antisemite...

walkstall

Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
I've never heard the term one drop rule and I grew up in a predominantly black area.

Yes but your not in the South....I was very young when I first heard the rule.  Have not heard it now of over well over 50 + years. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

mdgiles

Quote from: walkstall on November 18, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Yes but your not in the South....I was very young when I first heard the rule.  Have not heard it now of over well over 50 + years.
True the term is seldom used anymore, even though once it was actually a matter of written law. As to my point about the mind set behind that mode of thinking having become internalized, and unconsciously accepted, ask yourself whether - in this country, things are different in other countries - it would be possible for someone of known mixed African-American and white ancestry (say mother and father), to describe themselves as "white", and have it accepted as reality.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 08:23:24 AM
True the term is seldom used anymore, even though once it was actually a matter of written law. As to my point about the mind set behind that mode of thinking having become internalized, and unconsciously accepted, ask yourself whether - in this country, things are different in other countries - it would be possible for someone of known mixed African-American and white ancestry (say mother and father), to describe themselves as "white", and have it accepted as reality.

Sorry young man, but I am and American first.  True I am a half breed Cherokee.  But that does not make me a Cherokee-American.  I am a American that just happens to be half Cherokee.  You move off the reservation or your there of your life time.  ( I remember what it was like not to be like by both sides. )  I have learned from both sides and take the good and have moved on, I have not taken the reservation with me.   

But then thats just my way of thinking.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Soconnected

The way I look at it we are all of the one drop rule. The Adam and Eve rule There are lots of different kinds of blood in all our families, it's who we want to identify with. If you choose to identify yourself with the white race, so be it. If you choose to identify yourself with the black race, so be it  If you choose to identify yourself with any other race, that should be your choice. We have a right to identify with who we choose.

People are always talking about the government wanting to take away our right, what about this right?.................. :popcorn:

mdgiles

Quote from: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
Sorry young man, but I am and American first.  True I am a half breed Cherokee.  But that does not make me a Cherokee-American.  I am a American that just happens to be half Cherokee.  You move off the reservation or your there of your life time.  ( I remember what it was like not to be like by both sides. )  I have learned from both sides and take the good and have moved on, I have not taken the reservation with me.   

But then that's just my way of thinking.
Never said you weren't; but the past did exist. Understand, I'm not saying that people are all going around thinking "evil" thoughts. I'm simply saying that we all operate on a set of assumptions, most of which we hardly really think about. Give you an example. Many people objected to George Zimmerman being referred to as a "white Hispanic". A furor arose, because some people felt that calling him that was simply a "fake designation" in order to put blame on whites in general for his whatever may, or may not,  have proved to be incorrect in his actions. The idea was, that in reality, the term had no validity. This would be news to the inhabitants of the nation of Spain, which consists of millions of white Hispanics. Or the descendants of German immigrants who live from one end of South America to the other. It's just that in the US, the operating assumption on the word Hispanic, is firstly a brown skinned Mexican not the junior Senator from Florida. Anyway what I was pointing out is that although most people in this day and age probably don't consciously subscribe to to any version of the old racist dogma; however unconsciously it still affects the assumptions we make. It goes to the question, I asked in the very beginning; what is a black man? 
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
Never said you weren't; but the past did exist. Understand, I'm not saying that people are all going around thinking "evil" thoughts. I'm simply saying that we all operate on a set of assumptions, most of which we hardly really think about. Give you an example. Many people objected to George Zimmerman being referred to as a "white Hispanic". A furor arose, because some people felt that calling him that was simply a "fake designation" in order to put blame on whites in general for his whatever may, or may not,  have proved to be incorrect in his actions. The idea was, that in reality, the term had no validity. This would be news to the inhabitants of the nation of Spain, which consists of millions of white Hispanics. Or the descendants of German immigrants who live from one end of South America to the other. It's just that in the US, the operating assumption on the word Hispanic, is firstly a brown skinned Mexican not the junior Senator from Florida. Anyway what I was pointing out is that although most people in this day and age probably don't consciously subscribe to to any version of the old racist dogma; however unconsciously it still affects the assumptions we make. It goes to the question, I asked in the very beginning; what is a black man?



I can not help but feel you carry a lot of the old South bagages.


"what is a black man?"  Depends on what you see in a person. 
Myself I see a person that is free as I am.  If I can leave the reservation a black man can leave the South.


But thats just my way of thinking.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

ReaderReader

Quote from: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
Okay, reality check. Who exactly would have accepted Obama making a claim he was "white" or even half "white".
And the point about Warren was that she claimed an ancestry she had no right to, in order to take advantage of preference programs. I don't have a blind spot. People who think pretending the past didn't happen, will make it go away, are the people with the blind spot. Why so sensitive about a simple statement of fact?

We all would have "accepted" Obama making a claim that he was half white...as a matter of fact, some of us were looking forward to it when he promised to represent all the people of the United States.  In fact he did take sides, proclaiming himself to be only black and excluding the rest of us from his constituency.

I am not pretending the past didn't happen -- just trying to move on and make things better.

mdgiles

Quote from: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 04:28:11 PM


I can not help but feel you carry a lot of the old South bagages.


"what is a black man?"  Depends on what you see in a person. 
Myself I see a person that is free as I am.  If I can leave the reservation a black man can leave the South.


But thats just my way of thinking.
No, I just wonder why people make the assumptions that obviously they do. So answer my question: "what is a black man and why is he considered black"?
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

mdgiles

Quote from: ReaderReader on November 26, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
We all would have "accepted" Obama making a claim that he was half white...as a matter of fact, some of us were looking forward to it when he promised to represent all the people of the United States.  In fact he did take sides, proclaiming himself to be only black and excluding the rest of us from his constituency.

I am not pretending the past didn't happen -- just trying to move on and make things better.
Yeah right/sarc. That's why people were jumping for joy, at the first black man being elected President. As I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

ReaderReader

Quote from: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:56:42 AM
Yeah right/sarc. That's why people were jumping for joy, at the first black man being elected President. As I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.

I really don't care if he's black or white or mixed and didn't when he was elected.  I wasn't "jumping for joy at the first black president" because I'm a conservative who doesn't agree with his stance on most issues.  If he and I shared the same views, I would have been jumping for joy but still not because he's black. 

Obama still hasn't done a thing about the high unemployment rate, the economy is still down the tubes and he has forced us to buy healthcare at a time when we can least afford it.

You have made a lot of assumptions about others yourself.

walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:53:35 AM
No, I just wonder why people make the assumptions that obviously they do. So answer my question: "what is a black man and why is he considered black"?

You would have to ask a person that see color.  My background all I see is people.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Yawn

QuoteAs I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.

Still determined to stick with that, huh?

It was OBAMA who trumpeted his "blackness" even though he was raised by liberal whites with liberal white values.  HE decided that, not the rest of us subconsciously. It is OBAMA that seems troubled by his mixed race and seems to have worked extra hard to align himself with the black culture.  Have you even read his books?  He is a deeply troubled individual over these issues and it permeates all of his decisions to destroy and rebulid America with his flawed ideas about "social justice."

Cryptic Bert

Of course we are assuming he was telling the truth about his background. Everything else in his books were lies. So for we know he is actually a half Chinese half Jewish one third parrot who was raised by Turkish carnival barkers from Portugal...