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Title: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
She looks like an attractive white woman to me.  I didn't know she was black until I heard how "awful" it would be for WHITE Senators to go after a "black" woman.  Again with the LOWER STANDARDS for certain Democrat groups if it furthers the Libtard agenda.  Yet WE are the "RACIST!"

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Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 12:18:50 PM
It doesn't really matter. If she was 1/1000000th black, it would be called racist attacks.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
I'll bet she's at LEAST 1/2 white just like our "black" president.

Both parents are black. Mother is light skinned too.  Her husband (former husband, I think, is white -- Canadian)
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Darth Fife on November 15, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
I didn't know she was black either.

Don't care what color she is, she is an Obama sock puppet. She knowingly LIED about Benghazi she shouldn't be given Secretary of State, she should be forced to resign!

Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
The point is, if she can claim "blackness" (as long as she's liberal, then she has immunity from any attacks over her words and deeds.  Special People = Special Rules.  It's the way of the Libtard.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Silver Cougar on November 15, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 15, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
I didn't know she was black either.

Don't care what color she is, she is an Obama sock puppet. She knowingly LIED about Benghazi she shouldn't be given Secretary of State, she should be forced to resign!


Amen, Darth Fife!
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
If they want a Rice that knows her stuff, they need to call Condoleezza.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Darth Fife on November 15, 2012, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
If they want a Rice that knows her stuff, they need to call Condoleezza.

They're not related, are they? :huh:
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
No.  She's a left-wing radical, just like everyone Obama has surrounded himself with.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
Intriguing. The US pretty much works by the "One Drop Rule", one drop of African-American blood makes one black. It's an old rule from the bad, old days, that has become so internalized within the national culture, that most of us don't think of how odd it is to describe someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparent as "black".
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
It's the individuals that choose that, not the "white establishment."

Obama is 50% white and raised "white," yet he CHOSE to align himself as an oppressed minority.  Elizabet Warren is another. I doubt she has 1 drop of American Indian blood, but it seems important to HER to "be" American Indian.  Seems to be an attribute of certain liberal whites. 1 drop of and "exotic" blood and they run to claim their minority status.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
It's the individuals that choose that, not the "white establishment."

Obama is 50% white and raised "white," yet he CHOSE to align himself as an oppressed minority.  Elizabet Warren is another. I doubt she has 1 drop of American Indian blood, but it seems important to HER to "be" American Indian.  Seems to be an attribute of certain liberal whites. 1 drop of and "exotic" blood and they run to claim their minority status.
UH, bullshit. As I said the "rule" has become internalized. And yes occasionally an individual chose for themselves. It was called "Passing". And indeed it WAS the "white establishment" that made and enforced the rule, in the past. That's not an allegation, simply historic truth.  Pretending embarrassing things about the past, don't exist, doesn't make them disappear. 
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Obama hasn't CHOSEN to align himself with the black "race"?

Elizabeth Warren hasn't CHOSEN to be known as an "Indian"

Happens all the time.  You have a blindspot on these issues. 
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Bronx on November 15, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
Her color dosn't worry me, but her lying ass does.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: keyboarder on November 15, 2012, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
If they want a Rice that knows her stuff, they need to call Condoleezza.


That gets a "yes" from me!
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Obama hasn't CHOSEN to align himself with the black "race"?

Elizabeth Warren hasn't CHOSEN to be known as an "Indian"

Happens all the time.  You have a blindspot on these issues.
Okay, reality check. Who exactly would have accepted Obama making a claim he was "white" or even half "white".
And the point about Warren was that she claimed an ancestry she had no right to, in order to take advantage of preference programs. I don't have a blind spot. People who think pretending the past didn't happen, will make it go away, are the people with the blind spot. Why so sensitive about a simple statement of fact?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: keyboarder on November 15, 2012, 03:49:07 PM

That gets a "yes" from me!

Maybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

The woman is a great American, brilliant, and she won't hesitate to light someone's ass up that threatens or kills our countrymen.

I wouldn't even think about playing chess with her. :scared:
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
QuoteMaybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

What is a "moderate" Republican?  There is an answer, and I STRONGLY disagree with "moderate" Republicans.  What the Left describes as a moderate Republican is FAR left in idiotology.  Don't build her up too much just because she's black. "We" made that mistake with Colin Powell, and even Barack Obama.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
What is a "moderate" Republican?  There is an answer, and I STRONGLY disagree with "moderate" Republicans.  What the Left describes as a moderate Republican is FAR left in idiotology.  Don't build her up too much just because she's black. "We" made that mistake with Colin Powell, and even Barack Obama.

Skin color doesn't enter into my opinions of people. I am a registered republican, but that sure doesn't mean I'm on board with them on everything.

I can honestly say that I have never, either built someone up, or knocked them down because of the shade of their skin.

I like and respect Condoleezza Rice. I would feel the same if she was purple.

Colin Powell doesn't give a rat's ass about Obama. Somebody on the republican side pissed him off to the point that payback became more important than principle. My guess is that it was the selling of the idea of WMDs in Iraq to justify the war.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Deal with the "moderate" label.  Do you know what gives her the label "moderate"?

Maybe you agree with those positions. A lot of Republicans today are where the Libs were in 1970.  I'm not.  Why accept the liberal definitions?

I don't have anything against her as a human being, but I'd NEVER vote for her for any national office.  Those who do would only do so because of her skin color and their own desperation to "prove" they're not "RACIST!"   That's one reason so many white libs and "moderates" voted for Obama the first time.

Do you support "moderate" Republican positions?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Charliemyboy on November 15, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
If they want a Rice that knows her stuff, they need to call Condoleezza.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: keyboarder on November 15, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 04:37:58 PM
Maybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

The woman is a great American, brilliant, and she won't hesitate to light someone's ass up that threatens or kills our countrymen.

I wouldn't even think about playing chess with her. :scared:

The speech she gave at the GOP convention this year was inspiring and don't think for a minute that the DNC wasn't taking it all in.  As a matter of fact several minority type figures were speaking for Romney in ways that didn't sit well with the Obama regime. 

I'm still trying to digest what was supposed to be a done deal for Romney, when you factor in the support he was getting, numbers showing up in thousands over Obama turnouts, endorsements you wouldn't have figured on, and now the latest with the number of states asking for secession from the union and alot of them overwhelmingly voted Democrat.  The facts and numbers aren't adding up for me in any way that I can accept.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 03:01:21 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Deal with the "moderate" label.  Do you know what gives her the label "moderate"?

Maybe you agree with those positions. A lot of Republicans today are where the Libs were in 1970.  I'm not.  Why accept the liberal definitions?

I don't have anything against her as a human being, but I'd NEVER vote for her for any national office.  Those who do would only do so because of her skin color and their own desperation to "prove" they're not "RACIST!"   That's one reason so many white libs and "moderates" voted for Obama the first time.

Do you support "moderate" Republican positions?

Sometimes. I'm more of a live and let live libertarian on the social stuff.

When the republican position goes so far to the right that it becomes the polar opposite of the far left, and becomes a call for government intervention and control of people's behavior, that's where we part ways. It's just as unconstitutional as being dictated to by the left. I think that education leads to responsible citizens, not laws and force.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 07:44:37 AM
Unfortunately that's where the REPUBLICANS are heading.

1) Support for the murder of your unborn child --makes you a moderate Republican  to the Left

2) Support for society REDEFINING the meaning of something so basic to our culture as the definition of MARRIAGE, makes you a moderate Republican to the Left

3) Support for OPEN BORDERS (especially with Mexico) makes you a moderate Republican to the Left.

4) Support for the legalization of "recreational" drug use makes you a moderate Republican to the left


Sorry, but these are all EXTREME Left positions and does NOT make you a "moderate on social issues."

The Founders set the standard for the "Moderate American."  I judge a person by where they stand when compared to these God-Inspired individuals.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 09:35:11 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 07:44:37 AM
Unfortunately that's where the REPUBLICANS are heading.

1) Support for the murder of your unborn child --makes you a moderate Republican  to the Left

2) Support for society REDEFINING the meaning of something so basic to our culture as the definition of MARRIAGE, makes you a moderate Republican to the Left

3) Support for OPEN BORDERS (especially with Mexico) makes you a moderate Republican to the Left.

4) Support for the legalization of "recreational" drug use makes you a moderate Republican to the left


Sorry, but these are all EXTREME Left positions and does NOT make you a "moderate on social issues."

The Founders set the standard for the "Moderate American."  I judge a person by where they stand when compared to these God-Inspired individuals.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on some things.

Making abortion illegal, won't get rid of it. It will be pushed into the black market and it will be controlled by criminals. I don't support government bankrolling of abortion. Planned Parenthood should not be funded by the federal government, and individual states should make the call on their own abortion laws.

I don't have a problem with gays entering into legal civil unions. I do have a problem with redefining the word marriage. I also have a problem with the gay lifestyle being taught as "normal" in our public school system. Homosexuality can be acknowledged to exist in our society, and that's the end of it.

Anybody that's for open borders is insane.

I don't have a problem with people smoking pot. Same laws should apply as what we have for alcohol..................which is a far greater inebriant than weed is. The only thing keeping pot illegal, is that they can't figure out how to tax it. I don't believe that the hard, addictive drugs should be legalized, but I also don't think we should be throwing people in jail for simple possession.

On the left or the right, I consider extremism to be a trait in which people believe that human behavior can be mandated, and  forced by government. It doesn't work.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
Intriguing. The US pretty much works by the "One Drop Rule", one drop of African-American blood makes one black. It's an old rule from the bad, old days, that has become so internalized within the national culture, that most of us don't think of how odd it is to describe someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparent as "black".

That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.

Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.

I had never heard of it, but I think that democrats use it all the time. Like that blonde headed Indian woman.............I forgot her name.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 07:12:17 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 09:35:11 AM
I guess we'll just have to disagree on some things.

Making abortion illegal, won't get rid of it. It will be pushed into the black market and it will be controlled by criminals. I don't support government bankrolling of abortion. Planned Parenthood should not be funded by the federal government, and individual states should make the call on their own abortion laws.
Not really. The "back alley abortion" is simply more bullshit on the part of the left. In this day and age, who's going to care if a woman has an illegitimate child. The year is 2012, not 1912
QuoteAnybody that's for open borders is insane.
Completely and utterly, especially since we are essentially a welfare state.
QuoteI don't have a problem with people smoking pot. Same laws should apply as what we have for alcohol..................which is a far greater inebriant than weed is. The only thing keeping pot illegal, is that they can't figure out how to tax it. I don't believe that the hard, addictive drugs should be legalized, but I also don't think we should be throwing people in jail for simple possession.
I believe it's none of our damn business what an individual, decides to put into their body. Prohibition - of any kind - always turns out to be the camel's nose under the tent. Understand. It's exactly the same mindset that wants to ban dangerous drugs, that leads to San Fran banning Happy Meals and Bloomnanny taking away our Big Gulps.

QuoteOn the left or the right, I consider extremism to be a trait in which people believe that human behavior can be mandated, and  forced by government. It doesn't work.
Understanding this, why are you in favor of having government having any say over how adults live their lives?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 07:22:23 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.
It's not a generalization, it's simply a fact. And that most aren't aware where the rule came from was my point. That the thinking behind it has become internalized in American culture. That it informs our decisions on who is "black" and who is "white" without our even consciously thinking about it. This goes back to something I said in my first post. We don't think it's odd that someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparents ( the late, great Lena Horne for example), is considered "black". We simply accept it - without really understanding why we see it as "normal".
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 07:34:03 AM
QuoteUnderstanding this, why are you in favor of having government having any say over how adults live their lives?

Ever heard the Neil Young song, "The Damage Done"?

My ex-wife died 6 years ago after 20 years of smoking crack. She was 44.

My step daughter and daughter were devastated. Both of them were in their 20's and hadn't used drugs besides smoking a little weed. After she died, they both turned to heroin. Both became addicted. Each of them had 4 kids. All 8 of the kids have been removed and placed in foster care with strangers. My daughter is facing serious prison time for felony child endangerment. Her last child was born an addict.

I don't see hard drug use as a victimless crime. On the other hand, I don't think that people should be marked for life with a criminal record, for simple possession. It locks them into a place that is almost impossible to get out of.

As far as aborton goes, if there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will be performing them.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:22:09 AM
QuoteAs far as aborton goes, if there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will be performing them.

The problem with Libs and anarchist libertarians comes from the fact that they don't see the baby as fully HUMAN until (hopefully) it is born.

You would never use that argument to justify murdering a spouse, business partner, the annoying kid down the street etc.

"If there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will offer his services as a hit man performing them."

Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 08:29:51 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 07:34:03 AM
Ever heard the Neil Young song, "The Damage Done"?

My ex-wife died 6 years ago after 20 years of smoking crack. She was 44.

My step daughter and daughter were devastated. Both of them were in their 20's and hadn't used drugs besides smoking a little weed. After she died, they both turned to heroin. Both became addicted. Each of them had 4 kids. All 8 of the kids have been removed and placed in foster care with strangers. My daughter is facing serious prison time for felony child endangerment. Her last child was born an addict.

I don't see hard drug use as a victimless crime. On the other hand, I don't think that people should be marked for life with a criminal record, for simple possession. It locks them into a place that is almost impossible to get out of.

As far as abortion goes, if there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will be performing them.

One more thing.........

The crack smoking caused respiratory problems, which made her eligible for full disability, which she got. The government was sending her $1500 a month to feed her habit, which led to more health problems.

She also got either medicare or medicaid for free. Over the course of her glamorous life, she probably racked up about $2.5 million in medical bills, which the taxpayers covered.

It's looking like my daughter may also get full disability for PTSD and depression.....................and the cycle continues.

My opinions on these things are based on real life, not theoretical possibilities.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 07:34:03 AM
Ever heard the Neil Young song, "The Damage Done"?

My ex-wife died 6 years ago after 20 years of smoking crack. She was 44.

My step daughter and daughter were devastated. Both of them were in their 20's and hadn't used drugs besides smoking a little weed. After she died, they both turned to heroin. Both became addicted. Each of them had 4 kids. All 8 of the kids have been removed and placed in foster care with strangers. My daughter is facing serious prison time for felony child endangerment. Her last child was born an addict.

I don't see hard drug use as a victimless crime. On the other hand, I don't think that people should be marked for life with a criminal record, for simple possession. It locks them into a place that is almost impossible to get out of.

As far as aborton goes, if there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will be performing them.
I'll be blunt. I don't my door kicked down in the middle of the night by the police. I don't want some hick town to confiscate all the money I have in my pocket. I don't want billions and billions spent on a never ending war, simply because some ADULTS make some bad choices.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 08:32:47 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 08:30:23 AM
I'll be blunt. I don't my door kicked down in the middle of the night by the police. I don't want some hick town to confiscate all the money I have in my pocket. I don't want billions and billions spent on a never ending war, simply because some ADULTS make some bad choices.

Did you get the impression that I want those things? :confused:
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Darth Fife on November 17, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 07:22:23 AM
It's not a generalization, it's simply a fact. And that most aren't aware where the rule came from was my point. That the thinking behind it has become internalized in American culture. That it informs our decisions on who is "black" and who is "white" without our even consciously thinking about it. This goes back to something I said in my first post. We don't think it's odd that someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparents ( the late, great Lena Horne for example), is considered "black". We simply accept it - without really understanding why we see it as "normal".

I'm calling bullshit on this one.

You'll have to prove to me: 1) "The U.S. works on the 'One Drop Rule' - that would be the ENTIRE EFFING U.S.of A (that is where the sweeping generalization comes in) and 2) "That has become so internalized within the national culture, that most of us don't think of how odd it is to describe someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparent as "black".

Case in point, my wife's father was 1/8th Navajo (that makes her 1/16th Navajo - that is far more than one drop in case you are wondering) no one I have ever met looks at her and calls her either Native American or India.

Face it, my friend, you need there to be racism because without it, you're not "special".

Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:16:18 PM
QuoteI don't want some hick town

What's a "hick town"?  Sounds like a racist generalization to me.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:16:18 PM
What's a "hick town"?  Sounds like a racist generalization to me.

Good catch. What color are the people in "Hick Town"?

How many teeth do they have?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 06:11:00 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:22:09 AM
The problem with Libs and anarchist libertarians comes from the fact that they don't see the baby as fully HUMAN until (hopefully) it is born.

You would never use that argument to justify murdering a spouse, business partner, the annoying kid down the street etc.

"If there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will offer his services as a hit man performing them."
The Nazis used that exact argument to euthanize the disabled, and to murder "sub-humans".
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 06:33:35 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 17, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
I'm calling bullshit on this one.

You'll have to prove to me: 1) "The U.S. works on the 'One Drop Rule' - that would be the ENTIRE EFFING U.S.of A (that is where the sweeping generalization comes in) and 2) "That has become so internalized within the national culture, that most of us don't think of how odd it is to describe someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparent as "black".

Case in point, my wife's father was 1/8th Navajo (that makes her 1/16th Navajo - that is far more than one drop in case you are wondering) no one I have ever met looks at her and calls her either Native American or India.

Face it, my friend, you need there to be racism because without it, you're not "special".
Call bullshit if you must, but before you do engage in a little research.
http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/race-and-the-one-drop-rule-in-the-post-reconstruction-south/ (http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/race-and-the-one-drop-rule-in-the-post-reconstruction-south/)
http://blackhistory.com/content/63228/one-drop-rule (http://blackhistory.com/content/63228/one-drop-rule)
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4540881?uid=3739832&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101390668941 (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4540881?uid=3739832&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101390668941)
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/%E2%80%98one-drop-rule%E2%80%99-persists/ (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/%E2%80%98one-drop-rule%E2%80%99-persists/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule)
You shouldn't start denying history simply because you find the facts "uncomfortable". I'm not accusing anyone of being "racist". I'm simply saying that some old habits of thought have seeped deep into American culture, so deeply that they are accepted at an unconscious level. Ask yourself the question: "What makes a black man, "black"? 
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 06:36:10 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:16:18 PM
What's a "hick town"?  Sounds like a racist generalization to me.
And you're assuming that all the inhabitants of a "Hick" town are of a single ethnic group because?
As opposed to the term being descriptive of a small country town?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 06:56:47 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 17, 2012, 08:22:09 AM
The problem with Libs and anarchist libertarians comes from the fact that they don't see the baby as fully HUMAN until (hopefully) it is born.

You would never use that argument to justify murdering a spouse, business partner, the annoying kid down the street etc.

"If there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will offer his services as a hit man performing them."

My statement wasn't intended to paint abortion as good or bad. I personally hate it. It's just a fact that they will be performed.

Now that Obama has been reelected for another four years, I think that attempting to hold a position that depends on the overturning of Roe V Wade, is completely unrealistic. It just ain't gonna happen.

If Obama is able to appoint 1 or 2 supreme court justices during his second term, I'll be dead before the subject of abortion even comes up for discussion again. It's just reality. It doesn't mean I like it.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Darth Fife on November 18, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 06:33:35 AM
Call bullshit if you must, but before you do engage in a little research.
http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/race-and-the-one-drop-rule-in-the-post-reconstruction-south/ (http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/race-and-the-one-drop-rule-in-the-post-reconstruction-south/)
http://blackhistory.com/content/63228/one-drop-rule (http://blackhistory.com/content/63228/one-drop-rule)
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4540881?uid=3739832&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101390668941 (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4540881?uid=3739832&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101390668941)
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/%E2%80%98one-drop-rule%E2%80%99-persists/ (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/%E2%80%98one-drop-rule%E2%80%99-persists/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule)
You shouldn't start denying history simply because you find the facts "uncomfortable". I'm not accusing anyone of being "racist". I'm simply saying that some old habits of thought have seeped deep into American culture, so deeply that they are accepted at an unconscious level. Ask yourself the question: "What makes a black man, "black"?

You should learn to respond to what I am saying, and not what you think I'm saying. I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about America in 2012.

You need to prove to me (as I stated before) that the overwhelming majority of (white) Americans know what the "One Drop Rule" is AND that they either consciously or unconsciously allow it to influence their relations with blacks. 

That is the generalization you made, and I'm asking you to back it up.

Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 18, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
You're right. THAT is something blacks attribute to whites.  Like I said, it's something about liberal whites who make the CHOICE to align themselves with a race that isn't apparent just by looking at them.  Society doesn't make that choice for them. They tell us they're....
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Solar on November 18, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
I've never heard the term one drop rule and I grew up in a predominantly black area.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 18, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
You should learn to respond to what I am saying, and not what you think I'm saying. I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about America in 2012.

You need to prove to me (as I stated before) that the overwhelming majority of (white) Americans know what the "One Drop Rule" is AND that they either consciously or unconsciously allow it to influence their relations with blacks. 

That is the generalization you made, and I'm asking you to back it up.
Which part of UNCONSCIOUSLY ACCEPTED are you having trouble with. As I said, and more than a few of my sources point out, the idea of who, and who is not black, has it's basis in some very old mores. And you don't have to think about them consciously every day, to still act based on them. It's why we don't run into cognitive dissonance when someone describes Rick Fox and Yaphet Kotto as "black men".
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 18, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
She is only black when it suits the lefts needs...
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 18, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
More importantly she is a raving antisemite...
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: walkstall on November 18, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
I've never heard the term one drop rule and I grew up in a predominantly black area.

Yes but your not in the South....I was very young when I first heard the rule.  Have not heard it now of over well over 50 + years. 
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 18, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Yes but your not in the South....I was very young when I first heard the rule.  Have not heard it now of over well over 50 + years.
True the term is seldom used anymore, even though once it was actually a matter of written law. As to my point about the mind set behind that mode of thinking having become internalized, and unconsciously accepted, ask yourself whether - in this country, things are different in other countries - it would be possible for someone of known mixed African-American and white ancestry (say mother and father), to describe themselves as "white", and have it accepted as reality.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 08:23:24 AM
True the term is seldom used anymore, even though once it was actually a matter of written law. As to my point about the mind set behind that mode of thinking having become internalized, and unconsciously accepted, ask yourself whether - in this country, things are different in other countries - it would be possible for someone of known mixed African-American and white ancestry (say mother and father), to describe themselves as "white", and have it accepted as reality.

Sorry young man, but I am and American first.  True I am a half breed Cherokee.  But that does not make me a Cherokee-American.  I am a American that just happens to be half Cherokee.  You move off the reservation or your there of your life time.  ( I remember what it was like not to be like by both sides. )  I have learned from both sides and take the good and have moved on, I have not taken the reservation with me.   

But then thats just my way of thinking.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Soconnected on November 19, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
The way I look at it we are all of the one drop rule. The Adam and Eve rule There are lots of different kinds of blood in all our families, it's who we want to identify with. If you choose to identify yourself with the white race, so be it. If you choose to identify yourself with the black race, so be it  If you choose to identify yourself with any other race, that should be your choice. We have a right to identify with who we choose.

People are always talking about the government wanting to take away our right, what about this right?.................. :popcorn:
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
Sorry young man, but I am and American first.  True I am a half breed Cherokee.  But that does not make me a Cherokee-American.  I am a American that just happens to be half Cherokee.  You move off the reservation or your there of your life time.  ( I remember what it was like not to be like by both sides. )  I have learned from both sides and take the good and have moved on, I have not taken the reservation with me.   

But then that's just my way of thinking.
Never said you weren't; but the past did exist. Understand, I'm not saying that people are all going around thinking "evil" thoughts. I'm simply saying that we all operate on a set of assumptions, most of which we hardly really think about. Give you an example. Many people objected to George Zimmerman being referred to as a "white Hispanic". A furor arose, because some people felt that calling him that was simply a "fake designation" in order to put blame on whites in general for his whatever may, or may not,  have proved to be incorrect in his actions. The idea was, that in reality, the term had no validity. This would be news to the inhabitants of the nation of Spain, which consists of millions of white Hispanics. Or the descendants of German immigrants who live from one end of South America to the other. It's just that in the US, the operating assumption on the word Hispanic, is firstly a brown skinned Mexican not the junior Senator from Florida. Anyway what I was pointing out is that although most people in this day and age probably don't consciously subscribe to to any version of the old racist dogma; however unconsciously it still affects the assumptions we make. It goes to the question, I asked in the very beginning; what is a black man? 
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 19, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
Never said you weren't; but the past did exist. Understand, I'm not saying that people are all going around thinking "evil" thoughts. I'm simply saying that we all operate on a set of assumptions, most of which we hardly really think about. Give you an example. Many people objected to George Zimmerman being referred to as a "white Hispanic". A furor arose, because some people felt that calling him that was simply a "fake designation" in order to put blame on whites in general for his whatever may, or may not,  have proved to be incorrect in his actions. The idea was, that in reality, the term had no validity. This would be news to the inhabitants of the nation of Spain, which consists of millions of white Hispanics. Or the descendants of German immigrants who live from one end of South America to the other. It's just that in the US, the operating assumption on the word Hispanic, is firstly a brown skinned Mexican not the junior Senator from Florida. Anyway what I was pointing out is that although most people in this day and age probably don't consciously subscribe to to any version of the old racist dogma; however unconsciously it still affects the assumptions we make. It goes to the question, I asked in the very beginning; what is a black man?



I can not help but feel you carry a lot of the old South bagages.


"what is a black man?"  Depends on what you see in a person. 
Myself I see a person that is free as I am.  If I can leave the reservation a black man can leave the South.


But thats just my way of thinking.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: ReaderReader on November 26, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
Okay, reality check. Who exactly would have accepted Obama making a claim he was "white" or even half "white".
And the point about Warren was that she claimed an ancestry she had no right to, in order to take advantage of preference programs. I don't have a blind spot. People who think pretending the past didn't happen, will make it go away, are the people with the blind spot. Why so sensitive about a simple statement of fact?

We all would have "accepted" Obama making a claim that he was half white...as a matter of fact, some of us were looking forward to it when he promised to represent all the people of the United States.  In fact he did take sides, proclaiming himself to be only black and excluding the rest of us from his constituency.

I am not pretending the past didn't happen -- just trying to move on and make things better.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 04:28:11 PM


I can not help but feel you carry a lot of the old South bagages.


"what is a black man?"  Depends on what you see in a person. 
Myself I see a person that is free as I am.  If I can leave the reservation a black man can leave the South.


But thats just my way of thinking.
No, I just wonder why people make the assumptions that obviously they do. So answer my question: "what is a black man and why is he considered black"?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:56:42 AM
Quote from: ReaderReader on November 26, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
We all would have "accepted" Obama making a claim that he was half white...as a matter of fact, some of us were looking forward to it when he promised to represent all the people of the United States.  In fact he did take sides, proclaiming himself to be only black and excluding the rest of us from his constituency.

I am not pretending the past didn't happen -- just trying to move on and make things better.
Yeah right/sarc. That's why people were jumping for joy, at the first black man being elected President. As I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: ReaderReader on November 26, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:56:42 AM
Yeah right/sarc. That's why people were jumping for joy, at the first black man being elected President. As I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.

I really don't care if he's black or white or mixed and didn't when he was elected.  I wasn't "jumping for joy at the first black president" because I'm a conservative who doesn't agree with his stance on most issues.  If he and I shared the same views, I would have been jumping for joy but still not because he's black. 

Obama still hasn't done a thing about the high unemployment rate, the economy is still down the tubes and he has forced us to buy healthcare at a time when we can least afford it.

You have made a lot of assumptions about others yourself.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: walkstall on November 26, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 26, 2012, 07:53:35 AM
No, I just wonder why people make the assumptions that obviously they do. So answer my question: "what is a black man and why is he considered black"?

You would have to ask a person that see color.  My background all I see is people.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
QuoteAs I noted, some assumptions have become so internalized, that we often don't even consciously think about them any more.

Still determined to stick with that, huh?

It was OBAMA who trumpeted his "blackness" even though he was raised by liberal whites with liberal white values.  HE decided that, not the rest of us subconsciously. It is OBAMA that seems troubled by his mixed race and seems to have worked extra hard to align himself with the black culture.  Have you even read his books?  He is a deeply troubled individual over these issues and it permeates all of his decisions to destroy and rebulid America with his flawed ideas about "social justice."
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 26, 2012, 09:40:24 AM
Of course we are assuming he was telling the truth about his background. Everything else in his books were lies. So for we know he is actually a half Chinese half Jewish one third parrot who was raised by Turkish carnival barkers from Portugal...
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
He aligned himself with radical blacks (New Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam, social justice beliefs, communist and Islamic values over western capitalism etc).  His disrespect for succesful Americans, disrespect for Britain and Israel while apologizing to the enemies of America (including Russia). These are things we have WITNESSED. Of course we KNOW certain things. I's no mystery.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 26, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
He aligned himself with radical blacks (New Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam, social justice beliefs, communist and Islamic values over western capitalism etc).  His disrespect for succesful Americans, disrespect for Britain and Israel while apologizing to the enemies of America (including Russia). These are things we have WITNESSED. Of course we KNOW certain things. I's no mystery.
If you are referring to my post I was merely saying along with everything else he is a liar and a fraud.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 28, 2012, 06:11:43 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
Still determined to stick with that, huh?

It was OBAMA who trumpeted his "blackness" even though he was raised by liberal whites with liberal white values.  HE decided that, not the rest of us subconsciously. It is OBAMA that seems troubled by his mixed race and seems to have worked extra hard to align himself with the black culture.  Have you even read his books?  He is a deeply troubled individual over these issues and it permeates all of his decisions to destroy and rebulid America with his flawed ideas about "social justice."
Must have missed all those articles in the conservative media, that made fun of Obama's "ridiculous" claim that he was "black"/sarc. You know, as opposed to accepting it as a given?
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Yawn on November 28, 2012, 07:01:05 AM
What is your argument???

FIRST you tell us 'we' (evil white culture) consider anyone with a drop of black blood (your words), that 'we' (evil white culture, places him in the "black" column.

NOW you say 'we' decide he isn't black?

He IS half black.  That's undeniable.  He's placed himself with black culture, married a black woman and has kids that are black and attends a black supremacist church.  Yeah, he's black, but he's also EQUALLY WHITE but he clearly despises that HALF.

Now are you admitting that your first observation is wrong, or will you keep throwing up dust to distract from your original error?

Quote
FIRST you tell us 'we' (evil white culture) consider anyone with ONE DROP of black blood (your words), that 'we' (evil white culture), places him in the "black" column.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: JustKari on November 28, 2012, 08:06:04 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 26, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
If you are referring to my post I was merely saying along with everything else he is a liar and a fraud.
And that sums up what we absolutely know about him.
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: Solar on November 28, 2012, 09:37:19 AM
Not everything is about race, that is, unless that's how you see life, through race tinted glasses.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/27/msnbc-anchor-toure-plays-race-card-but-not-with-full-deck/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/27/msnbc-anchor-toure-plays-race-card-but-not-with-full-deck/?test=latestnews)
Title: Re: I Didn't Know Susan Rice was "Black"
Post by: mdgiles on November 29, 2012, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 28, 2012, 07:01:05 AM
What is your argument???

FIRST you tell us 'we' (evil white culture) consider anyone with a drop of black blood (your words), that 'we' (evil white culture, places him in the "black" column.

NOW you say 'we' decide he isn't black?

He IS half black.  That's undeniable.  He's placed himself with black culture, married a black woman and has kids that are black and attends a black supremacist church.  Yeah, he's black, but he's also EQUALLY WHITE but he clearly despises that HALF.

Now are you admitting that your first observation is wrong, or will you keep throwing up dust to distract from your original error?
My argument is fairly simple. I merely pointed out that the idea of who and who isn't "black" in the US is based on the "one drop rule" as propagated by the old slave master class of the South. Not only that, but that idea has become internalized in American culture, to the point where no  one - black or white - even thinks about it any more, and simply accepts it as a given. The very first example, I used was where someone with 7 white great grandparents, and one black great grandparent is considered "black". And it isn't me "throwing dust up". What's happened is that I pointed out that you along, with not a few others, automatically considered Obozo "black" - which he is, according to long held tradition in this country. Don't feel bad or hostile. When I pointed the basis of this mindset out, many had the decency to be embarrassed that that they had fallen into of that mode of thought.  And it's not about how Obama sees himself, but about how others see him - which point was made, when I noted how he was widely considered the first "black" man elected President.

BTW, if you been following this site, you'd know that I have long since pointed out that with the exception of skin color; Obama has nothing in common with the average life experience (or the shared history) of most black Americans. I've referred to him as a white radical, with a nice tan.