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Title: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: taxed on December 13, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
2018 and beyond still look bright to me...

https://conservativehardliner.com/im-very-optimistic-after-alabama-senate-loss

QuoteThe GOP still has the majority, not that it matters in regards to legislation as they can't even get simple tax cuts passed (maybe this will give them a kick in the fannie).  The President is still doing great work on his own by slashing regulations, pushing for a stronger national defense through space initiatives, increasing border security, appointing conservative justices, ferreting out conspirators within the intelligence agencies, outing media collusion, bailing out of Marxist scams like TPP and the Paris Accord, and just promoting a pro-American attitude every chance he gets.

If you told me two years ago that we could have a President who accomplishes all this under a year, I'd ask you who I'd have to kill to make this happen.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Hoofer on December 13, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Agree completely!!!    When the Huffington Post says "Trump is still winning", we need to quit the circular firing squad stuff.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Billy's bayonet on December 13, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
McConnell is the enemy, we need to focus on getting his withered old ass out.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 13, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
The media spin on this has been nothing short of epic. For months they portrayed Moore as a pedophile. Now they are saying his loss is because of Trump and this election plus the democrat wins in NY, NJ and VA show an upcoming democrat wave.

They just don't get it...again
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: supsalemgr on December 14, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 13, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
The media spin on this has been nothing short of epic. For months they portrayed Moore as a pedophile. Now they are saying his loss is because of Trump and this election plus the democrat wins in NY, NJ and VA show an upcoming democrat wave.

They just don't get it...again

Jones won because of two obvious facts.

1) Moore was a terrible candidate

2) Jones ran as a moderate

The GOP can handle #1 with a little "smart". As for #2, the far left base will never moderate. Clinton gave them a winning formula, but they will ignore the reality.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Solar on December 14, 2017, 04:54:28 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 14, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
Jones won because of two obvious facts.

1) Moore was a terrible candidate

2) Jones ran as a moderate

The GOP can handle #1 with a little "smart". As for #2, the far left base will never moderate. Clinton gave them a winning formula, but they will ignore the reality.
Nah, it was pure corruption.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Lea on December 14, 2017, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2017, 04:54:28 AM
Nah, it was pure corruption.

I agree. His loss was due to corruption.
His accusers tipped the scales and I hope he sues them for defamation of character.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: topside on December 14, 2017, 07:39:38 AM
There is no doubt that the accusations and press against Roy Moore had a dramatic impact on voter opinion - even though he was not convicted of any crime they insinuated / defamed his character. If he's guilty, the courts need to decide - it will be interesting / more telling to see if anything continues against Moore. 

So, even with this millstone tied to him, Moore still came out about even with the Dim. But the Pubs reportedly held a 25 point advantage in the state. The successful mud-sling by the dims obfuscates whether the Moore impact was 25 points (or more) or whether some of the swing is about opinion on Trump. I personally think that the Pubs haven't gained or lost any advantage - Dim and Pub voters are pretty entrenched; so the loss was fully due to the successful defamation of Moore.

BTW - I don't accept the claims against Moore; innocent until proven guilty. It is ludicrous that these claims didn't come out until just before the election - sat for decades. Personally, I'm not a Roy Moore fan for other reasons. Even so, it's unfair he had to compete with the unproven claim hanging around his neck. We have now in Doug Jones is much worse compared to what we would have had with Roy Moore. Doug Jones supports abortion - killing our children if they are under 20 weeks - half-way through the pregnancy. http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2017/12/10/roy-moore-doug-jones-and-issues-voters-guide-alabama-senate-election/934965001/ (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2017/12/10/roy-moore-doug-jones-and-issues-voters-guide-alabama-senate-election/934965001/) And that's just the beginning of Jone's leftist bias.

Besides the addition of a little more pure lib poison to the Congress stew, we have also lost a Senate vote - harder to overcome those who dissent from the Pub position for whatever reason - including conservative values. The Dims are lemmings - no hope they will do anything sensible - only obstruct. Conservatives HAVE to gain position in 2018 if the stalemate is to be overcome. I don't think that the Alabama result reveals anything predictive about the 2018 midterm except, possibly, that more Dims will show up to the polls and that Pub voters may be a little apathetic.

I'm interested to hear if anyone has any other supported incites.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Bronx on December 14, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
With everything that is going on it will make your head spin. The forces that want the United States of America to head in a commie direction is full speed ahead even at their own expense.....right Al Franken.

The commie FBI lies are coming to light and IMO there is no way their investigation will see the ligh of day. It's a money grab at this point.....right Robert Mueller

One thing the commies have taken their eyes off of is our court system. I'm glad it's staying out of the MSM because this is where we can have the biggest impact.

Justice Don Willett was just seated at the 5th Circuit. On the flip side of things one of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals judge faces sexual misconduct charges by six women. Hope we can get a foothold on this. Also Neil Gorsuch is holding our Conservative views in the SCOTUS.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: MichaelJ on December 14, 2017, 08:42:34 AM
The real issue that troubles me is that the MSM thought Trump had NO chance to win the election and were shocked and dismayed it happened. While we are glad he won, I fear it has awakened the MSM with a new resolve to go all out and totally destroy him in any way possible. The outright lies, exaggerations, selective reporting of news etc is worse than we have ever seen and it is having an effect IMO. They smell blood in the water now and will openly turn up the volume on their attacks and no longer have to worry about any lies/distortions and bias they show as it seems people are not holding them accountable for the most part. The lead up to the 2018 elections will be unlike anything we have ever seen from the MSM and Liberals, and could seriously damage the future of this country . I honestly don't know if President Trump will survive his first term and hope Pence is practicing his saluting already. This is not going to end well for Donald Trump IMO because of the collection of powerful forces arrayed against him (liberals, MSM, Republican Establishment and the ever growing ethnic minorities)
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Bronx on December 14, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 14, 2017, 08:42:34 AM
The real issue that troubles me is that the MSM thought Trump had NO chance to win the election and were shocked and dismayed it happened. While we are glad he won, I fear it has awakened the MSM with a new resolve to go all out and totally destroy him in any way possible. The outright lies, exaggerations, selective reporting of news etc is worse than we have ever seen and it is having an effect IMO. They smell blood in the water now and will openly turn up the volume on their attacks and no longer have to worry about any lies/distortions and bias they show as it seems people are not holding them accountable for the most part. The lead up to the 2018 elections will be unlike anything we have ever seen from the MSM and Liberals, and could seriously damage the future of this country . I honestly don't know if President Trump will survive his first term and hope Pence is practicing his saluting already. This is not going to end well for Donald Trump IMO because of the collection of powerful forces arrayed against him (liberals, MSM, Republican Establishment and the ever growing ethnic minorities)

I respectfully disagree. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, far from it but I am a supporter of President Trump. I believe Trump is a very head strong person who will take it all on while moving our country in somewhat the right direction. His election proves just that and who he has appointed to the courts.

He was up against everything and everybody and he stood tall and took it on the chin while dishing it out. I believe he will be alright. He's a street fighter with Tweeter as his weapon of choice. Remember the democrat hatered for this man runs deep. He took down their queen, is un-doing many of the things their boy king did and IMO what they hate most about him is he crossed over and seen what his beloved democrat party has become........communist. 

Making America Great Again (MAGA) is their kryptonite and you can feel their hate for the United States of America everytime it hits their ears. MAGA gives the commie democrats the urge to direct our commie FBI leaders to plant a coup d'etat to take down the President of the United States of America. Think about that for a mintue. MAGA makes them kneel everytime they hear our National Anthem and kill a billion dollar made in America business. It's the thorn in their flesh. It's a weapon that has to be used to expose these democrats and big government republicans for what they are............communist
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Walter Josh on December 14, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Bronx on December 14, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, far from it but I am a supporter of President Trump. I believe Trump is a very head strong person who will take it all on while moving our country in somewhat the right direction. His election proves just that and who he has appointed to the courts.

He was up against everything and everybody and he stood tall and took it on the chin while dishing it out. I believe he will be alright. He's a street fighter with Tweeter as his weapon of choice. Remember the democrat hatered for this man runs deep. He took down their queen, is un-doing many of the things their boy king did and IMO what they hate most about him is he crossed over and seen what his beloved democrat party has become........communist.

Making America Great Again (MAGA) is their kryptonite and you can feel their hate for the United States of America everytime it hits their ears. MAGA gives the commie democrats the urge to direct our commie FBI leaders to plant a coup d'etat to take down the President of the United States of America. Think about that for a mintue. MAGA makes them kneel everytime they hear our National Anthem and kill a billion dollar made in America business. It's the thorn in their flesh. It's a weapon that has to be used to expose these democrats and big government republicans for what they are............communist
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What Trump will accomplish remains to be seen.
Agree the Bureaucracy/Establishment is his frenzied and mortal enemy.
As such, instilling fear and trembling among them, would be trans-formative.
Does Trump have the grit for this? Given his performance to date, certainly not.
In the morning he abuses the msm w/another brainless tweet and in the
afternoon kisses their ass in a mini- press conference.
More critically, Trump's inability to discern character is, arguably, his worst
attribute and the very reason this Russian Fandango has metastasized.
Sessions is both coward and incompetent; traits leaders must be able to see.
Voted for Trump and wish him well but expect the next 3 years to a wild ride:
akin to a space ship w/o either rudder or steering wheel.

   
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Hoofer on December 14, 2017, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Bronx on December 14, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, far from it but I am a supporter of President Trump. I believe Trump is a very head strong person who will take it all on while moving our country in somewhat the right direction. His election proves just that and who he has appointed to the courts.
Quote

Which makes me wonder if, in this political climate, how well Ted Cruz would have fared...?   I hope Trump continues to clear the way for someone like Ted Cruz, or an energized & emboldened next Conservative POTUS, to make lasting Constitutional changes, the founders wanted.

QuoteHe was up against everything and everybody and he stood tall and took it on the chin while dishing it out. I believe he will be alright. He's a street fighter with Tweeter as his weapon of choice. Remember the democrat hatered for this man runs deep. He took down their queen, is un-doing many of the things their boy king did and IMO what they hate most about him is he crossed over and seen what his beloved democrat party has become........communist.  

Well put!  It's hard to see what pisses off the Left more, Beating Hillary, Unwinding Obama Executive Orders, crossing over to the GOP -or- most important, inspiring Americans to Pride in America again!

QuoteMaking America Great Again (MAGA) is their kryptonite and you can feel their hate for the United States of America everytime it hits their ears. MAGA gives the commie democrats the urge to direct our commie FBI leaders to plant a coup d'etat to take down the President of the United States of America. Think about that for a mintue. MAGA makes them kneel everytime they hear our National Anthem and kill a billion dollar made in America business. It's the thorn in their flesh. It's a weapon that has to be used to expose these democrats and big government republicans for what they are............communist

What just baffles them - how EASILY President Trump has been taking them apart by not playing their games.   I think MSM expect Trump to fold up like a pup tent at the first accusation (the Billy Bush, "grab 'em by the bush" audio) - and he didn't!   They're going to keep going back to that audio, not believing Americans would vote for him - and forgetting it's the Democrat Party is the largest home to perverts, and the Public as a whole isn't ignoring that fact... the Kennedy's, Johnson, Clinton - their real standouts!

Trump made a great tactical move by releasing the JFK stuff, and his mistress teenager publishing her book detailing the rape.   
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: taxed on December 14, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 14, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
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What Trump will accomplish remains to be seen.
Agree the Bureaucracy/Establishment is his frenzied and mortal enemy.
As such, instilling fear and trembling among them, would be trans-formative.
Does Trump have the grit for this? Given his performance to date, certainly not.
In the morning he abuses the msm w/another brainless tweet and in the
afternoon kisses their ass in a mini- press conference.
More critically, Trump's inability to discern character is, arguably, his worst
attribute and the very reason this Russian Fandango has metastasized.
Sessions is both coward and incompetent; traits leaders must be able to see.
Voted for Trump and wish him well but expect the next 3 years to a wild ride:
akin to a space ship w/o either rudder or steering wheel.



Really?
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2017, 04:15:29 AM
Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Really?
Either willful blindness or, the nearly 2000 indictments mean nothing to some people till they actually see them in prison.
The left is running scared, they have no leadership and are starting to throw one another under the bus to save their own ass.
But because the media is doing its best to bury the good news, it is possible many aren't seeing what you and I are seeing.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 15, 2017, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2017, 04:15:29 AM
Either willful blindness or, the nearly 2000 indictments mean nothing to some people till they actually see them in prison.
The left is running scared, they have no leadership and are starting to throw one another under the bus to save their own ass.
But because the media is doing its best to bury the good news, it is possible many aren't seeing what you and I are seeing.

They may not see it but if they are employed and able to pay the bills they won't kick out whomever has accomplished that.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: Bronx on December 14, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, far from it but I am a supporter of President Trump. I believe Trump is a very head strong person who will take it all on while moving our country in somewhat the right direction. His election proves just that and who he has appointed to the courts.

He was up against everything and everybody and he stood tall and took it on the chin while dishing it out. I believe he will be alright. He's a street fighter with Tweeter as his weapon of choice. Remember the democrat hatered for this man runs deep. He took down their queen, is un-doing many of the things their boy king did and IMO what they hate most about him is he crossed over and seen what his beloved democrat party has become........communist. 

Making America Great Again (MAGA) is their kryptonite and you can feel their hate for the United States of America everytime it hits their ears. MAGA gives the commie democrats the urge to direct our commie FBI leaders to plant a coup d'etat to take down the President of the United States of America. Think about that for a mintue. MAGA makes them kneel everytime they hear our National Anthem and kill a billion dollar made in America business. It's the thorn in their flesh. It's a weapon that has to be used to expose these democrats and big government republicans for what they are............communist

First, a note on terms.  The left today in the US are not communists.  They don't need to be.  They are Marxist socialist.  More of the Fascist variety.

We can be thankful that Trump not only read the political scene in the US but has the guts to begin to make the institutional changes that need to be made.  He is currently working on what will increase jobs and GDP - growth. 
Then he needs to begin with completely revamping the whole swamp of our investigative agencies.  There is no need to have 17 of them. The CIA and FBI, the center of everything has become politicized.  After the Meuller dies, all the top political appointees must be fired.  I think the problem of jeff Sessions is not that he is incompetent, but he has no guts to fight his against the entrenched deep state. Same for the CIA. Apparently  the State Department is under an overhaul as well already. 
Such agencies as the Education department and the dismantling of the welfare state and put such ideas back to each state where they belong.  It will eliminate a lot of the power, corruption, control of a strong central government.  This will not be done without people who have the nations interests forefront and not themselves or a left idealogy. 
We will need to replace many of the RINOs who have their interests first rather than their constituents.

I don't understand why the GOG govenors and legislatures have not approved the Constitutional Convention measure.  We have enough states to get it activated, 34, as  well as almost the 38 needed to eventually approve whatever they pass.  This should be primarily a move for term limits, 12 years max for anyone.  Eventually get rid of the pension as well since 12 years terms would not require such a move.

Thanks for letting me vent. I have much more though.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Walter Josh on December 16, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: Dave on December 16, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
First, a note on terms.  The left today in the US are not communists.  They don't need to be.  They are Marxist socialist.  More of the Fascist variety.

We can be thankful that Trump not only read the political scene in the US but has the guts to begin to make the institutional changes that need to be made.  He is currently working on what will increase jobs and GDP - growth. 
Then he needs to begin with completely revamping the whole swamp of our investigative agencies.  There is no need to have 17 of them. The CIA and FBI, the center of everything has become politicized.  After the Meuller dies, all the top political appointees must be fired.  I think the problem of jeff Sessions is not that he is incompetent, but he has no guts to fight his against the entrenched deep state. Same for the CIA. Apparently  the State Department is under an overhaul as well already. 
Such agencies as the Education department and the dismantling of the welfare state and put such ideas back to each state where they belong.  It will eliminate a lot of the power, corruption, control of a strong central government.  This will not be done without people who have the nations interests forefront and not themselves or a left idealogy. 
We will need to replace many of the RINOs who have their interests first rather than their constituents.

I don't understand why the GOG govenors and legislatures have not approved the Constitutional Convention measure.  We have enough states to get it activated, 34, as  well as almost the 38 needed to eventually approve whatever they pass.  This should be primarily a move for term limits, 12 years max for anyone.  Eventually get rid of the pension as well since 12 years terms would not require such a move.

Thanks for letting me vent. I have much more though.
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Hmm...........a Constitutional Convention eh?
If Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Jay; among other Founders were present it could be a worthy venture.
But w/our current political frauds and hustlers, such a gathering would likely be an uncontrolled disaster.
As for the GOP, it was the catalyst for what our governance has become; a statist albatross.
Post-Civil War, an ascendant GOP controlled Congress, Courts and Presidency, from Johnson till Hoover, some 70 years.
During that timeline; States Rights were emasculated and replaced by centralized power.
Various Amendments starting w/the 14th, reinforcing this shift were, promoted and enacted by the GOP.
Additionally, our accelerating Industrial Revolution, was actively aided by a rapidly growing yet non-hostile regulatory environment; spawning crony corporate capitalism.
Cold reality is that the GOP were never, ever the free traders of Smith and Ricardo; rather they were protectionists to the core as the more than 100 excise taxes, import duties and tariffs enacted during their reign attest.
Indeed we need a massive change in both our governance and politics but the GOP is hardly the answer.
When we recover the attitudes, behaviors and impulses of our Founders we will stage a re-birth.
Otherwise, we won't.

Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Solar on December 16, 2017, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 16, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
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Hmm...........a Constitutional Convention eh?
If Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Jay; among other Founders were present it could be a worthy venture.
But w/our current political frauds and hustlers, such a gathering would likely be an uncontrolled disaster.
As for the GOP, it was the catalyst for what our governance has become; a statist albatross.
Post-Civil War, an ascendant GOP controlled Congress, Courts and Presidency, from Johnson till Hoover, some 70 years.
During that timeline; States Rights were emasculated and replaced by centralized power.
Various Amendments starting w/the 14th, reinforcing this shift were, promoted and enacted by the GOP.
Additionally, our accelerating Industrial Revolution, was actively aided by a rapidly growing yet non-hostile regulatory environment; spawning crony corporate capitalism.
Cold reality is that the GOP were never, ever the free traders of Smith and Ricardo; rather they were protectionists to the core as the more than 100 excise taxes, import duties and tariffs enacted during their reign attest.
Indeed we need a massive change in both our governance and politics but the GOP is hardly the answer.
When we recover the attitudes, behaviors and impulses of our Founders we will stage a re-birth.
Otherwise, we won't.
Party plays no part in a Convention of States, in fact, if the gop'E had their way, they'd stop it immediately, but their hands are tied Constitutionally speaking.

https://conventionofstates.com/
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 16, 2017, 05:16:14 PM
One of the positives of this win is that it comes on the heels of the dems NY, NJ, VA trifecta. Winning three safe states and beating a candidate painted as a child molester has the left believing their in great shape and don't need to change a thing.
Title: Re: I am very optimistic after the Alabama loss
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 16, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
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Hmm...........a Constitutional Convention eh?
If Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Jay; among other Founders were present it could be a worthy venture.
But w/our current political frauds and hustlers, such a gathering would likely be an uncontrolled disaster.
As for the GOP, it was the catalyst for what our governance has become; a statist albatross.
Post-Civil War, an ascendant GOP controlled Congress, Courts and Presidency, from Johnson till Hoover, some 70 years.
During that timeline; States Rights were emasculated and replaced by centralized power.
Various Amendments starting w/the 14th, reinforcing this shift were, promoted and enacted by the GOP.
Additionally, our accelerating Industrial Revolution, was actively aided by a rapidly growing yet non-hostile regulatory environment; spawning crony corporate capitalism.
Cold reality is that the GOP were never, ever the free traders of Smith and Ricardo; rather they were protectionists to the core as the more than 100 excise taxes, import duties and tariffs enacted during their reign attest.
Indeed we need a massive change in both our governance and politics but the GOP is hardly the answer.
When we recover the attitudes, behaviors and impulses of our Founders we will stage a re-birth.
Otherwise, we won't.
Most of what you state is not really applicable to the issue.  Article  second paragraph deals with  the second way we can amend the
constitution.  It is a very controlled process.  Each amendment that is added must be approved by 38 state legislatures.
So, far the initial step which is the passing a resolution of application to Congress has yielded 11 states fully approved. 9 states have at least one chamber approving.
Twenty five other states are actively working on approval.  We only need 14 more before Congress must act.  They cannot reject the application.
There is always hope.