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Hypothetical and ridiculous
« on: November 21, 2012, 01:45:46 PM »
But I thought I'd throw this out, just because. :wink:

Lets say Husein and the leftists completely throw the country into chaos, where they kill Capitalism as we know it.
Should we stop fighting them and help them destroy the country so we can rebuild it?

Say for example we all go on Govt. assistance, milk the system dry to the point of revolution, because there won't be any money anyway considering inflation will have already made the dollar worthless.

I know it sounds extreme, but assume for a moment these idiots follow through with the Marxist plan, what have we too lose?

Disclaimer: I don't really think it will come to that, but I thought it my be good to hash it out anyway.


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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 01:54:39 PM »
That's the Cloward & Piven and those instituting it are betting that the end will be Communism with a totalitarian DICTATOR and not a rebirth of the Republic.  Once the People become fully dependent on the Godvernment, they lose the desire to become self-sufficient.  They will prefer "Security" over Freedom.  I think they're right.

The USA as it was given to us will never again be duplicated through revolution.

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 04:25:05 PM »
Lets face facts...the system is going to be imploding no matter what they do or we do to stop it....no socialist system in history has survived...

Look at Europe, look at the Soviets union look at...well you get the idea.

Like it or not thats what we got. Even if Romney had won I doubt he could have reversed it, maybe delayed it but there are too many commies in the Govt and Congress to reverse it.

What you seriously got to think about is YOUR OWN WELL BEING and that of those closest to you when the system does collapse...prepare for the worst.

That is what I am planning for.

They other thing is...I'm sure there is gonna be blood, as divided as we are there is gonna be a fight, I can feel it.

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 06:44:33 PM »
I refuse to be complacent or complicit in the destruction of the country. People like Obama are so invested in their dreams and ideology that they won't even let reality or history stand in their way. One only needs to look at the failure of socialism and communism in the past to see that it is quite evident that these systems always fail. Socialism doesn't spread wealth, it destroys wealth and prevents wealth from being created. Sure socialism would be a viable option if the only issue was who has control of an infinite amount of wealth. But the issue is not simply about distribution, it is about creation as well; there simply is not a bottomless pot of gold from which to keep drawing money, wealth has to be created and wealth is created best in a capitalist system.

I won't contribute to the madness, but I will prepare for the chaos that will ensue once we hit breaking point and it will be some time soon. Economic crises are inevitable, what we have experienced in the past few years and are still experiencing will not be the worst of what we will see. I doubt a populace that has become so dependent on government as the one in Obama's America will be able to survive another major economic crisis without causing significant civil unrest. When food stamps lose their value people will be rioting, when people lose all their other entitlements, they will riot. And who will they direct their rage at? They should hold those who put them in a position to be dependent accountable, but we all know they will point their fingers at "the rich" the very people who had been financing their entitlement all along, the people who are constantly told to "pay their fair share" when 47% of the country pays no share.

When speaking of fellow citizens who go along with Obama's vision, I think we are essentially talking to zombies. These people seem to have the most mundane value system, and distorted concepts of justice and freedom. For them, freedom is not the right to self determination, protection from oppression, or the right to pursue happiness. For these zombies, freedom is to be free of things that inconvenience them. They want to be free from responsibility, free from duty, free from sacrifice, free from hardship. And in regards to justice, their conception of justice is not equality under the law, trial by jury, and a system of reasonable ethics. Their conception of justice is to demand from the government what they want at the expense of someone else because they feel they deserve it. These conceptions of freedom and justice are the hallmarks of a civilization that is doomed.





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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 06:51:07 PM »
there is gonna be a fight, I can feel it.


Who, IYO, is going to fight who?
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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 02:52:14 PM »

Who, IYO, is going to fight who?

IMO the fight will be between those that have prepared for the coming collapse and are able to survive (stored food etc.) and those that have not that will be looking to steal the fruits of the labor of others.

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 05:12:27 PM »
IMO the fight will be between those that have prepared for the coming collapse and are able to survive (stored food etc.) and those that have not that will be looking to steal the fruits of the labor of others.

Anyone who is actually prepared enough to store food is very likely to also store guns and ammos, wouldn't be much of a fight IMO.  :cool:
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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2012, 05:24:43 PM »

Who, IYO, is going to fight who?


On the one side you will have the highest "have nots", those who have the least and want the most and will be willing to use force to get it
prompted by leftist radicals and the lawless who will blame all failures on  'the rich'...the 'rich' being anyone who has more than they do
and does not beleive the Govt should be taking it away to finance their need.

The largest portion will be those who "have"....trying to hang on to what little they have, want to be left alone but are frustrated to no end with creeping totlitarian socialism.

You can look at how the States themselves line up and pretty much predict where this will all start.


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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 06:17:19 PM »

On the one side you will have the highest "have nots", those who have the least and want the most and will be willing to use force to get it
prompted by leftist radicals and the lawless who will blame all failures on  'the rich'...the 'rich' being anyone who has more than they do
and does not beleive the Govt should be taking it away to finance their need.

The largest portion will be those who "have"....trying to hang on to what little they have, want to be left alone but are frustrated to no end with creeping totlitarian socialism.

You can look at how the States themselves line up and pretty much predict where this will all start.


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I think it will come from a few fronts, those you listed, but also from foreign shores too.  Foreigners that want a submissive US will take the opportunity to attack while we are down too.  Perhaps a collection of Arab nations, perhaps China.

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2012, 06:34:41 PM »
Anyone who is actually prepared enough to store food is very likely to also store guns and ammos, wouldn't be much of a fight IMO.  :cool:

Criminals that already steal from others don't have guns?

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2012, 06:41:05 PM »
I think it will come from a few fronts, those you listed, but also from foreign shores too.  Foreigners that want a submissive US will take the opportunity to attack while we are down too.  Perhaps a collection of Arab nations, perhaps China.
Not as long as they have Hussein doing the job for them. :wink:

I really don't see it all that wide spread, I see liberal hubs like NY and LA, SF, Detroit to name a few, but the rest of us will ban together and hunker down while they burn their cities to the ground.
Once they tire of fighting, they will start begging, though some will venture out to the rural areas, but not in any numbers of strength.
They would be easy to pick off anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2012, 07:50:22 PM »
I think it will come from a few fronts, those you listed, but also from foreign shores too.  Foreigners that want a submissive US will take the opportunity to attack while we are down too.  Perhaps a collection of Arab nations, perhaps China.

That is why we have to pay close attention to the influence of Foreigners (Islamofacists) and the Illegals, trust me you don't have to worry about China sending an invasion force....just the oppossite in fact. Any fighting is likely to be done with the already established invasion force from S. America joining the radical left...the ones that have the armed criminal gangs and already are trying to control several S. American nations and Mexico via a narcoterrorist insurgency.

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 12:53:00 AM »
Lets face facts...the system is going to be imploding no matter what they do or we do to stop it....no socialist system in history has survived...

Look at Europe, look at the Soviets union look at...well you get the idea.

Like it or not thats what we got. Even if Romney had won I doubt he could have reversed it, maybe delayed it but there are too many commies in the Govt and Congress to reverse it.

What you seriously got to think about is YOUR OWN WELL BEING and that of those closest to you when the system does collapse...prepare for the worst.

That is what I am planning for.

They other thing is...I'm sure there is gonna be blood, as divided as we are there is gonna be a fight, I can feel it.

Billy

On this reply, my huband and i totally agree with you.  We feel the unrest each day that passes with more of what we call "socialistic events".  We haven't seen anything yet that describes what we think will happen when the bottom does fall out but a plan will have to be in place for each family and these families might have a sporting chance but only if they act quickly.  I'm like most conservatives, I don't want the worst to come but i believe it's what it will take to recover if even then.  We have stood idly by why all of the democrats have entrenched themselves with their progressive ideas into every area of our lives.  We are paying a dear price but we still have to fight all that we don't agree with or become just exactly what we hate. 
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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 04:43:19 PM »
Not as long as they have Hussein doing the job for them. :wink:

I really don't see it all that wide spread, I see liberal hubs like NY and LA, SF, Detroit to name a few, but the rest of us will ban together and hunker down while they burn their cities to the ground.
Once they tire of fighting, they will start begging, though some will venture out to the rural areas, but not in any numbers of strength.
They would be easy to pick off anyway.

It would be nice if you were right... but we've become a nation of 310 million, and (IMO) 99.5% have less than 14 days storage of food and fuel.  If a complete and nationwide crisis hit, where civil order completely broke down... we would have a massive problem.  If a person lives within 100 miles of any city of 100,000+, people will forage, will branch out and take whatever they find.  No one is going to sit at home and peacefully watch their children starve, if it comes to that.

If you live in Montana, in some of the deep rural areas, sure... but that's not the case, for 95% of people. 

If it all breaks down, there will be blood...  (where have I heard that before?)  :smile:

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Re: Hypothetical and ridiculous
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 06:38:10 PM »
Don't underestimate the other side folks...they are better organized than you think, they'll also use technology (hackers) to attack us and destroy our communications, so don't get too hung up on one form of communications like computers and cell phones...remember the old CB radio... :wink:

It won't all be inner city wastrels engaging in food riots.

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