QuoteLiberalism has spent the better part of the past century attempting to prove that it could competently and responsibly extend the state into new reaches of American life. With the rollout of the Affordable Care Act, the administration has badly injured that cause, confirming the worst slurs against the federal government. It has stifled bad news and fudged promises; it has failed to translate complex mechanisms of policy into plain English; it can't even launch a damn website. What's more, nobody responsible for the debacle has lost a job or suffered a demotion. Over time, the Affordable Care Act's technical difficulties can be repaired. Reversing the initial impressions of government ineptitude won't be so easy.
From the left wing site New Republic (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115695/obamacare-failure-threat-liberalism)
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM
From the left wing site New Republic (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115695/obamacare-failure-threat-liberalism)
Yeah, I saw that one earlier today. Zowie! I also saw one from the WP that was rather... unapologetic. I'll see if I can dig up a link.
True libs should be pissed. Nobody likes the arrogance of amateurs in positions of leadership, firstly. Secondly is corruption. The World's watching... History is recording...
The 'gently guiding hands of mass-persuasion' is the vital lib (for the purposes of this conversation) 'tool' that Obama and Jarrett bollux'd up. They've set liberalism back to 1991-era standards.
The Administration had Silicon Valley at their beckon call... yet overrode 'em with insider cronyism, then assumed they could intellectually force technology to bear-the-weight of complexly written, last minute policy.
Libs should be angry as heck.
Quote from: kit saginaw on November 26, 2013, 02:02:22 AM
True libs should be pissed. Nobody likes the arrogance of amateurs in positions of leadership, firstly. Secondly is corruption. The World's watching... History is recording...
The 'gently guiding hands of mass-persuasion' is the vital lib (for the purposes of this conversation) 'tool' that Obama and Jarrett bollux'd up. They've set liberalism back to 1991-era standards.
The Administration had Silicon Valley at their beckon call... yet overrode 'em with insider cronyism, then assumed they could intellectually force technology to bear-the-weight of complexly written, last minute policy.
Libs should be angry as heck.
To a sane and moral voter, you betcha, to you average lib voter?
They see it as progress, no matter how screwed up it is, if it goes against what the country stands for, then it's a success in their view.
Is that not completely screwed up? I mean, there are actually people in this country so brainwashed by our education system, that any anti-capitalist act, is seen as a move toward progress.
I hope you're right, I hope this is enough to wake the majority of LIV up to the damage their party is doing.
Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2013, 03:54:44 AM
To a sane and moral voter, you betcha, to you average lib voter?
They see it as progress, no matter how screwed up it is, if it goes against what the country stands for, then it's a success in their view.
Is that not completely screwed up? I mean, there are actually people in this country so brainwashed by our education system, that any anti-capitalist act, is seen as a move toward progress.
I hope you're right, I hope this is enough to wake the majority of LIV up to the damage their party is doing.
They won't be happy until they are completely dominated by the government and broke...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 26, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
They won't be happy until they are completely dominated by the government and broke...
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ROFL!!! Isn't that the ironic truth?
Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2013, 01:10:10 PM
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ROFL!!! Isn't that the ironic truth?
And we all drive solar powered cars with a top speed of nine. Veganism is the state mandated diet and to save water we have to shit in a hole.Christianity and Judaism is outlawed and Islam is promoted and the killing of non Muslims is tolerated. Due to the outlawing of fossil fuels electricity is reduced to three hours a day.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM
From the left wing site New Republic (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115695/obamacare-failure-threat-liberalism)
Well, LIBERALS in the end always win. It's fact. LIBERALISM brought the end to bringing in slaves and the end to slavery (Most of the world had deemed it IMMORAL and we were one of the last to ban it--perhaps we were simply SHAMED into it). LIBERALISM brought the bust up of BLOCKS of MULTI-GENERATIONALS wealth and power--yes Teddy Roosevelt was a PROGRESSIVE with a capital P. Liberalism brought women's suffrage. Liberalism brought voting rights to blacks. Liberalism OUTLAWED VIOLENCE towards blacks. Liberalism brought BIRTH CONTROL--next to unions probably the 2nd biggest component of creating a burgeoning middle class (less kids, higher standard of living). Liberalism brought women's rights. Liberalism said you CAN'T beat your wife no matter how much you think it is an entitlement (or how much liquor you consumed). LIBERALISM says you can't abandon you kids monetary support (nor use them as punching bags) though fully 1/2 of child support is owed out there and people use their kids for punching bags still--but they can't do it legally). LIBERALISM won rights for law abiding men and women who did nothing more than to love other men and women and soon they will be able to marry in all 50 states. And LIBERALISM will win the gun battle in the end (stay tuned).
Quote from: cpicturetaker12 on November 26, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Well, LIBERALS in the end always win. It's fact. LIBERALISM brought the end to bringing in slaves and the end to slavery (Most of the world had deemed it IMMORAL and we were one of the last to ban it--perhaps we were simply SHAMED into it). LIBERALISM brought the bust up of BLOCKS of MULTI-GENERATIONALS wealth and power--yes Teddy Roosevelt was a PROGRESSIVE with a capital P. Liberalism brought women's suffrage. Liberalism brought voting rights to blacks. Liberalism OUTLAWED VIOLENCE towards blacks. Liberalism brought BIRTH CONTROL--next to unions probably the 2nd biggest component of creating a burgeoning middle class (less kids, higher standard of living). Liberalism brought women's rights. Liberalism said you CAN'T beat your wife no matter how much you think it is an entitlement (or how much liquor you consumed). LIBERALISM says you can't abandon you kids monetary support (nor use them as punching bags) though fully 1/2 of child support is owed out there and people use their kids for punching bags still--but they can't do it legally). LIBERALISM won rights for law abiding men and women who did nothing more than to love other men and women and soon they will be able to marry in all 50 states. And LIBERALISM will win the gun battle in the end (stay tuned).
Wholly Shit, what a revisionist!
Quote from: cpicturetaker12 on November 26, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Well, LIBERALS in the end always win. It's fact. LIBERALISM brought the end to bringing in slaves and the end to slavery (Most of the world had deemed it IMMORAL and we were one of the last to ban it--perhaps we were simply SHAMED into it). LIBERALISM brought the bust up of BLOCKS of MULTI-GENERATIONALS wealth and power--yes Teddy Roosevelt was a PROGRESSIVE with a capital P. Liberalism brought women's suffrage. Liberalism brought voting rights to blacks. Liberalism OUTLAWED VIOLENCE towards blacks. Liberalism brought BIRTH CONTROL--next to unions probably the 2nd biggest component of creating a burgeoning middle class (less kids, higher standard of living). Liberalism brought women's rights. Liberalism said you CAN'T beat your wife no matter how much you think it is an entitlement (or how much liquor you consumed). LIBERALISM says you can't abandon you kids monetary support (nor use them as punching bags) though fully 1/2 of child support is owed out there and people use their kids for punching bags still--but they can't do it legally). LIBERALISM won rights for law abiding men and women who did nothing more than to love other men and women and soon they will be able to marry in all 50 states. And LIBERALISM will win the gun battle in the end (stay tuned).
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Repeat after me. Liberalism is awesome....
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 26, 2013, 01:15:20 PM
And we all drive solar powered cars with a top speed of nine. Veganism is the state mandated diet and to save water we have to shit in a hole.Christianity and Judaism is outlawed and Islam is promoted and the killing of non Muslims is tolerated. Due to the outlawing of fossil fuels electricity is reduced to three hours a day.
And when your commune is seized by the state and priceless food you grew for yourself is handed out to some worthless slug who has a pal on the Five Year Plan advisory board, you will be expected to smile broadly, grab your ankles, and say how wonderful it is to not be dependent on yourself.
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 01:25:36 PM
And when your commune is seized by the state and priceless food you grew for yourself is handed out to some worthless slug who has a pal on the Five Year Plan advisory board, you will be expected to smile broadly, grab your ankles, and say how wonderful it is to not be dependent on yourself.
Oliver - please sir i want some more (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc#)
Quote from: cpicturetaker12 on November 26, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Well, LIBERALS in the end always win. It's fact. LIBERALISM brought the end to bringing in slaves and the end to slavery (Most of the world had deemed it IMMORAL and we were one of the last to ban it--perhaps we were simply SHAMED into it).
Supporting evidence: the confederacy defended slavery on the basis of tradition, states rights and accusing the North of destroying a sacred institution and forcing others to accept the freedom of blacks. Does this sound familiar to you? There's a reason why all modern confederate sympathizers identify with the right-wing.
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LIBERALISM brought the bust up of BLOCKS of MULTI-GENERATIONALS wealth and power--yes Teddy Roosevelt was a PROGRESSIVE with a capital P.
He was also a republican, settling any attempts for historical illiterates who think that the republicans of Lincoln's time and the early 20th century were chiefly conservatives, as though party identifications never changed. :lol:
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Liberalism brought women's suffrage.
Churchill even said it himself:
"The women's suffrage movement is only the small edge of the wedge, if we allow women to vote it will mean the loss of social structure and the rise of
every liberal cause under the sun. Women are well represented by their fathers, brothers, and husbands."
What does this slippery slope-"social structure" argument sound like?Quote
Liberalism brought voting rights to blacks. Liberalism OUTLAWED VIOLENCE towards blacks.
Is the NCAAP liberal or conservative? And when, conservatives, was it hijacked by the left and where is your documentation?
Some southern republican states only recently approved interracial marriage by 60-40 margins.
QuoteLiberalism brought BIRTH CONTROL--next to unions probably the 2nd biggest component of creating a burgeoning middle class (less kids, higher standard of living).
Not sure if I agree with the unions comment, but yes, liberals not only advocated acceptance of birth control but also pushed through the first laws criminalizing inter-marital rape. And yes, plenty of self identified right wingers still think that no such crime should exist.
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Liberalism brought women's rights.
Polls indicate that leftists are more open to voting for a qualified female president.
QuoteLiberalism said you CAN'T beat your wife no matter how much you think it is an entitlement (or how much liquor you consumed).
And we also recognize the necessity of liberalized divorce laws. Do conservatives realize that "traditional family values" suggest dominance and obedience, given that
that's what traditional families were like before modern progressivism?
QuoteLIBERALISM says you can't abandon you kids monetary support (nor use them as punching bags) though fully 1/2 of child support is owed out there and people use their kids for punching bags still--but they can't do it legally).
Simple, "common sense" concepts were actually opposed tooth and nail by conservatives; ie. the Child Labor Act.
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LIBERALISM won rights for law abiding men and women who did nothing more than to love other men and women and soon they will be able to marry in all 50 states.
Yes and I think history has already judged on this one.
QuoteAnd LIBERALISM will win the gun battle in the end (stay tuned).
Unfortunately, half of the members of this board aren't going to be around long enough to see the folly of their actions come fully to fuition. You people have so consistently taken the wrong stance on practically everything; I say "wrong" as in "your grandchildren will mock and ridicule you".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What will the grandchildren who were never born (because leftists killed them to afford their own personal convenience) say about...anything?
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
What will the grandchildren who were never born (because leftists killed them to afford their own personal convenience) say about...anything?
Are you trying to be witty here or something? Yes, birth control and contraceptives slow population growth. Those grandchildren that are born will look back at evolution deniers as you look back on heliocentrism deniers. They'll scratch their heads at your insistence that global warming was not real, as though if you were just to flex your Ronald Reagan tattoos enough and squint your eyes to the sound of our national anthem you could actually change the laws of physics.
Remember when Ronald Reagan brushed off the AIDS crisis because he thought genetics and biology were subject to his ideological leanings? That's what happens when conservatives with no credentials in a field pretend they're experts in it because they Love America.
Murdered an unborn innocent future American taxpayer today, Sparky? Libs think that's neat after doing it 55 million times since 1972. Then they blow smoke up my trousers claiming they don't want population control in America.
The elderly and the unborn are traditional enemies of liberals wishing to gut seniors programs while encouraging legalized infanticide. Obamacare will be ruinous for seniors already trying to get by on Social Security in an age of a pampered halfwit like Obama, who will grow old at our expense.
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 03:07:11 PM
Murdered an unborn innocent future American taxpayer today, Sparky?
Condoned by the Bible.
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14
The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
QuoteThe elderly and the unborn are traditional enemies of liberals wishing to gut seniors programs
Social security is not only a progressive invention but also arguably socialist.
Since you support infanticide, you doubtlessly hate yourself for having survived. I get that part about liberals. But when you kill 55 million people and shrug it off, you are far closer to Josef Mengele than any of us conservatives. You, not we, are the monsters.
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 03:23:12 PM
Since you support infanticide
I don't, but God certainly does. Read the verses.
Of course you could accuse me for going off topic, but you'd only have yourself to blame, for I have no idea what infanticide has to do with abortion.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 26, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
I have no idea what infanticide has to do with abortion.
Exactamundo. That same lack of morality we can expect through death panels, brought to us by Democrats and the anti-American trash they elected to high office.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 26, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
They won't be happy until they are completely dominated by the government and broke...
Knowing liberals, even THEN they'll find something to whine about.
Quote from: kopema on November 26, 2013, 03:46:32 PM
Knowing liberals, even THEN they'll find something to whine about.
Did you see the story about the libs who showed up at a recent White House event and complained there was no valet parking?
Yeah, I know.
Almost off-topic. :wink:
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 03:54:32 PM
Did you see the story about the libs who showed up at a recent White House event and complained there was no valet parking?
Yeah, I know. Almost off-topic. :wink:
ADDED LINK....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/major-donor-complains-about-no-valet-parking-white-house_768961.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/major-donor-complains-about-no-valet-parking-white-house_768961.html)
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Exactamundo. That same lack of morality we can expect through death panels, brought to us by Democrats and the anti-American trash they elected to high office.
I'm sorry but I'm going to need some more evidence than that. To what extent is a first trimester fetus an infant? What are its cognitive abilities? Can it think? Can it feel pain or other human emotions? These are all rhetorical questions, BTW.
Quote from: kopema on November 26, 2013, 03:46:32 PM
Knowing liberals, even THEN they'll find something to whine about.
It's in their DNA...