Today Joke the demented pedophile announced his green program where jobs lost for the cause would be replaced with "good paying union jobs, jobs that pay prevailing wage".  I have a background in this field so let me explain what they are not saying.

The new jobs will be in solar.  OK.  Now, prevailing wage for solar installers is about half of what an electrician makes.  There is a new classification for union IBEW workers that install solar panels, and it is not all that much money.  Why?  Well in order to get contractors to hire basically someone that is also qualified to flip hamburgers can pay them below scale.  Rank and file union electricians fought these new classifications, but the International Office, located in the DC swamp, did not want to be disinvited to the swank cocktail parties so they came up with new lower scale classifications for these jobs that require little to no education.  The city of Oakland CA began some of this crap and there are videos of these new "green" job guys.  They recruit from criminals, those that are in jail for drugs and prostitution.  Wish I could remember the name of the program but it's been several years, OK, many years ago, I'm retired.

So when I hear the demented pedophile talk about these good paying union jobs, bullshit.  They are sub waged jobs, and most of them are being done by drug addled former inmates. 

As a retired contractor I can tell you that these unions only care about one thing; numbers of dues paying bodies they can put on a job.  I was amazed at what length these union reps would go to get cheap labor on the job.  As a contractor I can tell you most of these lazy bastards aren't worth much above minimum wage.

So good luck to you pipefitters, millwrights, carpenters, electricians, operating engineers, laborers and plumbers.  Joke and his whore are going to fuck you over like you could never have imagined.  And the AFL-CIO will go right along with it.  Why?  Full scale members of these unions, less call them "A" members, can move down a class, but the idiots in the lower classifications can not move up.  But, the International Offices get their money per capita.  Members=money=invites to the swank DC cocktail parties.

I could go on, I've seen it all after 50 years in construction.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on January 27, 2021, 05:03:13 PM
Today Joke the demented pedophile announced his green program where jobs lost for the cause would be replaced with "good paying union jobs, jobs that pay prevailing wage".  I have a background in this field so let me explain what they are not saying.

The new jobs will be in solar.  OK.  Now, prevailing wage for solar installers is about half of what an electrician makes.  There is a new classification for union IBEW workers that install solar panels, and it is not all that much money.  Why?  Well in order to get contractors to hire basically someone that is also qualified to flip hamburgers can pay them below scale.  Rank and file union electricians fought these new classifications, but the International Office, located in the DC swamp, did not want to be disinvited to the swank cocktail parties so they came up with new lower scale classifications for these jobs that require little to no education.  The city of Oakland CA began some of this crap and there are videos of these new "green" job guys.  They recruit from criminals, those that are in jail for drugs and prostitution.  Wish I could remember the name of the program but it's been several years, OK, many years ago, I'm retired.

So when I hear the demented pedophile talk about these good paying union jobs, bullshit.  They are sub waged jobs, and most of them are being done by drug addled former inmates. 

As a retired contractor I can tell you that these unions only care about one thing; numbers of dues paying bodies they can put on a job.  I was amazed at what length these union reps would go to get cheap labor on the job.  As a contractor I can tell you most of these lazy bastards aren't worth much above minimum wage.

So good luck to you pipefitters, millwrights, carpenters, electricians, operating engineers, laborers and plumbers.  Joke and his whore are going to fuck you over like you could never have imagined.  And the AFL-CIO will go right along with it.  Why?  Full scale members of these unions, less call them "A" members, can move down a class, but the idiots in the lower classifications can not move up.  But, the International Offices get their money per capita.  Members=money=invites to the swank DC cocktail parties.

I could go on, I've seen it all after 50 years in construction.

I've confronted many 'union guys' in the past and asked them how they could support a union eager to enact those leftists programs/ideals that really work against American union apprentices/journeymen?  They are the one who are either stupid or cowards for not pushing back hard against unions only interested in 'sign-ups', rather than members.

Trump did well with union members. I doubt another chinese/globalist republican will in 2024. I communist  Biden today and he cleverly said fracking  isnt  banned while  at the  same time  over regulating  it to death.

The interesting part will be the mid terms. By then this manure pile in DC will have the US economy in deep dive mode. Fuel prices should be double if not more by then.

How many are going to change that tune of Voter Fraud.

Unions deserve everything they get....

Quote from: Toffee on January 27, 2021, 08:39:37 PM
The interesting part will be the mid terms. By then this manure pile in DC will have the US economy in deep dive mode. Fuel prices should be double if not more by then.

How many are going to change that tune of Voter Fraud.

Lets see what the rep party stands for  in 2022. Right  now they stand for  china giving  union members  no reason to vote for them.

Quote from: ldub23 on January 29, 2021, 10:43:59 AM
Lets see what the rep party stands for  in 2022. Right  now they stand for  china giving  union members  no reason to vote for them.

You know nothing about union tradesmen, otherwise you wouldn't make such a stupid statement.  Don't ever make the mistake of thinking those asshole fat cats sitting in their cigar smoke filled offices in DC, they have NOTHING in common with the man using his hands and tools to earn a living.

Then we have Joke and his whore who think building solar panels, even the gigolo horse face Kerry said these laid off energy workers could make solar panels which is a "better choice".  Bullshit.

Tell ya what, how bout you do a little research on what manufacturing solar panels pays.  Then do a little more research and learn what classification of union electricians install these solar panels.  Then take some time and look at who the Ella Baker Center in Oakland, CA has to offer for these new green jobs.

Still not convinced, do a little more research about the union electricians that confronted the International President of the IBEW about these low wage job stealers.  They fought, and lost, the battle to keep the international unions from coming up with cheap labor classifications to booster the continuing loss of union members.  No members, no dues flowing to the IO in DC, no money for the IO in DC, no invites to smoke cigars, pat each other on the back and basically suck each other off.  Been going on for years.  But the rank and file are not stupid people.  100% of the few union rank and file that vote for the demorats, who have promised them the moon, do so because their grandparents voted that way.

Want another example of the dems fucking the working man, union and non-union?  Butthole care, the muslims grand scheme, taxed "Cadillac health plans", but that was removed by President Trump.  You have to know, to go against the group think at the union hall means you don't work that much.  Tradesmen that have worked for President Trump think the world of him.  You don't know these men, the ones that get their hands dirty, not the empty suits in DC.  What you have at the International level are the union polcats that could suck a dick like no other, that's how they got there.  Once these bastards start wearing a suit to work, believe me, they never want to go back to pissing in blue plastic shit houses or eating their lunch while they sit on the dirt in what ever shade they can find.

Just like blacks, the democraps are losing the ability to bamboozle these guys and are losing their votes.  I know one guy at the IO level in DC, he hates blacks, now he may say he voted for the muslim, but I can sure damn bet once he pulled that curtain, there was no way he voted for that American hating muslim.  And now a demented pedophile just put thousands of union workers out of a job, but not to worry Mr. Ironworker, you can always build solar panels for $15 bucks an hour.  When you count all the wage, retirement and benefits these union mechanics are making you're talking about $100 and hour.  Yeah, these guys can't wait to go work for 20 cents on the dollar.  Bullshit.
 

Quote from: Pop Daddy on January 29, 2021, 04:42:10 PM
You know nothing about union tradesmen, otherwise you wouldn't make such a stupid statement.  Don't ever make the mistake of thinking those asshole fat cats sitting in their cigar smoke filled offices in DC, they have NOTHING in common with the man using his hands and tools to earn a living.

Then we have Joke and his whore who think building solar panels, even the gigolo horse face Kerry said these laid off energy workers could make solar panels which is a "better choice".  Bullshit.

Tell ya what, how bout you do a little research on what manufacturing solar panels pays.  Then do a little more research and learn what classification of union electricians install these solar panels.  Then take some time and look at who the Ella Baker Center in Oakland, CA has to offer for these new green jobs.

Still not convinced, do a little more research about the union electricians that confronted the International President of the IBEW about these low wage job stealers.  They fought, and lost, the battle to keep the international unions from coming up with cheap labor classifications to booster the continuing loss of union members.  No members, no dues flowing to the IO in DC, no money for the IO in DC, no invites to smoke cigars, pat each other on the back and basically suck each other off.  Been going on for years.  But the rank and file are not stupid people.  100% of the few union rank and file that vote for the demorats, who have promised them the moon, do so because their grandparents voted that way.

Want another example of the dems fucking the working man, union and non-union?  Butthole care, the muslims grand scheme, taxed "Cadillac health plans", but that was removed by President Trump.  You have to know, to go against the group think at the union hall means you don't work that much.  Tradesmen that have worked for President Trump think the world of him.  You don't know these men, the ones that get their hands dirty, not the empty suits in DC.  What you have at the International level are the union polcats that could suck a dick like no other, that's how they got there.  Once these bastards start wearing a suit to work, believe me, they never want to go back to pissing in blue plastic shit houses or eating their lunch while they sit on the dirt in what ever shade they can find.

Just like blacks, the democraps are losing the ability to bamboozle these guys and are losing their votes.  I know one guy at the IO level in DC, he hates blacks, now he may say he voted for the muslim, but I can sure damn bet once he pulled that curtain, there was no way he voted for that American hating muslim.  And now a demented pedophile just put thousands of union workers out of a job, but not to worry Mr. Ironworker, you can always build solar panels for $15 bucks an hour.  When you count all the wage, retirement and benefits these union mechanics are making you're talking about $100 and hour.  Yeah, these guys can't wait to go work for 20 cents on the dollar.  Bullshit.

Yes Trump increased the rep share  of union, black, and  hispanic  votes but right  now the rep party is running to china as  fast as they can.

Quote from: ldub23 on January 29, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
Yes Trump increased the rep share  of union, black, and  hispanic  votes but right  now the rep party is running to china as  fast as they can.

Nope. The "rep party" isn't running anywhere. They merely have to tap into their frequent  calls list under -'China group' -  and conduct business from there.

Quote from: WMK on January 30, 2021, 05:25:57 AM
Nope. The "rep party" isn't running anywhere. They merely have to tap into their frequent  calls list under -'China group' -  and conduct business from there.

True enough. Its a dead  party walking.

These "green jobs" under the Kenyan never really materialized....look at Solyndra....billions in bailout then they moved to Mexico. In fact lots of the companies including the auto industry moved their operation overseas, screwing the American working man and giving us double digit unemployment.

Now they are gonna do it again using the Wu Flu as their platform.

Whole lot of union is waking up to see they have been had. President Dementia is killing jobs all over the place. Not just union jobs but a lot of good paying jobs.
Locally even the state gov who is a liberal is saying his policies are going to cripple the state.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 30, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
These "green jobs" under the Kenyan never really materialized....look at Solyndra....billions in bailout then they moved to Mexico. In fact lots of the companies including the auto industry moved their operation overseas, screwing the American working man and giving us double digit unemployment.

Now they are gonna do it again using the Wu Flu as their platform.

Ah yes, Solyndra, the future, the way forward to the green utopia.  Had a hell of a nice looking building.  Nothing much going on inside, but who cares, it's the tax payers money being shoveled into that hole.

Back to the "jobs of the future" bullshit about making solar panels.  Good luck.  This ponzi scheme is great for the connected and if you gave enough in campaign donations.  In reality, after the checks have been cashed, solar panels are a net loss when you put into your equation the carbon required to make, the really nasty chemicals involved and their hazardous waste, it requires govt. bribing to get people to buy the damn things with tax credits.  Guess who's paying for some guy that needs more tax write offs to offset his tax liabilities?  The poor old working man in the form of higher taxes.

If there were any profit to be made in these things without govt funding, they wouldn't be building them in China.  Someday after these panels can no longer put out the voltage, they need to go to a recycling center where the poor working man through higher taxes will pay to have the things disposed of.  It's a scam.  Take the govt. bribing out of the equation and these things fall flat on their face.

Someone needs to go ask an ironworker if he'd trade his job for making solar panels.  While I'm now trying to lower my blood pressure, my communist gov. says we need our kids to learn how to make these panels so they don't have to work at jobs that won't exist someday.  Really?  Asshole.  Whose going to build the plants, houses, hang sheet rock, paint, install the junk on someone's roof and maintain it?  Yeah, who want's to make a decent living when you can get a govt. subsidized job making solar panels for 20% of what you could make by learning a skilled craft?  I mean, only an idiot would rather try and better themselves and their family by making as much money as his hands, sweat and training will allow.  Will Chairman Mao's little red book be part of the solar panel building program?

The elitist snobs with net worth's in the millions look down their nose at these uncouth, vile talking creatures that build things, like the custom homes the assholes live in, but someone should tell these elitist snobs that for a guy that decided to learn a craft instead of going to college, many of these guys with ambition can make well over $100k and more a year.  Go ask that guy if he wants make solar panels.

Quote from: Toffee on January 30, 2021, 08:51:04 AM
Whole lot of union is waking up to see they have been had. President Dementia is killing jobs all over the place. Not just union jobs but a lot of good paying jobs.
Locally even the state gov who is a liberal is saying his policies are going to cripple the state.

What state  is that?

Quote from: ldub23 on January 30, 2021, 08:53:13 AM
What state  is that?

It will be more like what state is not.  Jobs will be lost in all states in under 6 months.  It's call the domino effect.  Working two part time jobs is not two jobs, just part time work.