Quote from: supsalemgr on March 10, 2018, 04:57:51 AM
I was not suggesting a double standard. Gay rights to me is the same rights as everyone has, nothing more.

Yep, gay rights are nothing more than "Special Rights" carved out and given to a leftist chosen class in an effort to give the appearance of victim class.

(I know this is long but please bear with me. The big picture is important here and Dim sheep usually think in small picture terms so it is critical to lay it all out at once.)

How are lgbt rights part of communism?
First i need to clarify a few things for u...to start, communism and 'modern secular progressive liberalism' are twins but not identical twins, and they work together thick as thieves. Communism, fascism, islam, progressivism, even southern redneck racism (remnants of confederate dems) are all part of the family of leftism, they all end with totalitarianism, racism, evil.
(Yes fascism is leftist, not right wing as the LSM portray it as. I think honest anarchy wld be the truly radical far right; no gvt, absolute freedom.)
The american left, thru the progressive dem party, trys to achieve this goal of leftist totalitarianism a little differently. While communism relies on a sudden REVOLUTION, the saul alinsky school of liberals is currently attempting a multi generational EVOLUTION to gradually transform the fundementals of America, and this usually has socialism as a transitional phase to get everyone used to gvt controls. This is already having some 'success' in europe.

The left hates traditional judeo-christian cultural values much more than they love any 'values' of their own. They use gvt to force thier unatural antiwestern 'culture' on everyone. When some 'christians' try to use gvt to force their culture on others, like banning homosexuality completly, well they are equally guilty of commiting the crime of leftism as secular progressives. When redneck racists try to use gvt to impose laws on blacks they are just as guilty of leftism as the racist blm and black panthers. (In fact the dems have always been racists, only they used to be white racists but now they are black and brown racist, and the white racists no longer have a home cuz we wont take em.) So to be fair, members of the gop can be leftists too, just in a different way as dems.

The left uses gay rights as a tool, as a weapon, to gain power. Now this cld manifest as supporting gay rights or banning gay rights, depending on the country, culture, and the practical situation wherever they r trying to gain control and spread their cancer.
Some gay rights fit into modern american liberalism but others dont. Gays have always had the same constitutional  rights as the rest of us, life, liberty, poh. The particular 'right' in question today is gay marriage and forcing its acceptance onto ppl who can see the harmful effects it has on individuals and society at large. The constitution doesnt give any particular specific rights regarding marriages, except that morality is the purview of the states not the feds.
U must understand, gay marriage has up until now been a cultural issue, it is the left who has turned it political. The tru right (classical liberals of the founders mould) have never wanted to use politics to end homosexual behavior. We have always been fine with equality under the law, nothing more nothing less.

Now marriage itself has 2 aspects which are intertwined: the first is cultural/moral. The second is political/legal, (for tax purposes, etc.). The cultural and moral aspects are up to the churches, and it is a churches freedom to have a ceremony for a dog and a libtard and call them 'married' if they want to, but in name only, not legally.
The bible says homosexuality is a sin, so christians are allowed to hold and to EXPRESS this belief. Gays do not have the right to stop them from expressing this, but gays dont have to listen. Likewise, gays can express their disagreement but no one has to listen. We have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, not the right to force others to shut up and listen to us. At least not on the federal level...

On the political and legal aspect of it, the only level of gvt with any jurisdiction on morality is the state level. The constitution reserves laws of morality to the states not the feds, so each state can be their own experiment, and if u dont like it move.
Now the states have options. One state can embrace a traditional judeo-christian view of marriage. (An islamic view wldnt be possible as it conflicts with the constituional right to liberty) Another state may choose another option, to not recognize marriages at all but to instead only have civil unions, which wld even apply to 2 friends living together as roomates. The states were meant to be fertile testing grounds for a variety of diverse IDEAS within the framework of the constitution.

Finally, to be technical u cld say that supporting lgbt rights dont fit COMMUNISM as much as it fits LEFTISM and leftism uses gay rights to advance its political and cultural agenda one way or another wherever it is, (whether communist, socialist, progressive, islamic, etc.) In America that means emracing gay marriage in order to upend traditional judeo-christian cultural norms, to sow divide thru identity politics, and to gain votes. In iran it means throwing gays off buildings to emrace traditional islamic cultural norms, to unite their country, and to gain support. Different leftist places use gay rights differently but it is always to gain power and advance leftism. Like guns, neither good nor bad except in how they are used. The left doesnt see gay rights as good or bad, only how they can be USED for the cause.

Quote from: garyjones027 on March 09, 2018, 10:28:28 AM
How are LGBT rights a part of communism?  LGBT rights are not recognized in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela, and Cuba.

Because LGBT and communism always attack from the back.......!

I think anyone who criticizes president Trump should be charged with HIGH TREASON!

WTF...More trolling?

So you want to do away with the First Amendment?

I think he is getting close to the line. What an inane post.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 10, 2018, 12:31:59 PM
I think he is getting close to the line. What an inane post.

Yeah, this is the shit kids pull on social media in hopes of drawing out some moron Trump supporter to agree with him, then he copies the post and posts it as evidence that Trump supporters are nothing but radicals.
The problem for him is, this is an adult forum, where all the members here have an IQ three times that of lib trolls.

Hmm.............................
In the Forum, Roman Senators openly criticized their Emperors for their failures; w/decorum and tact!
Mr. Jones' unserious suggestion is beyond absurd.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 10, 2018, 01:41:27 PM
Hmm.............................
In the Forum, Roman Senators openly criticized their Emperors for their failures; w/decorum and tact!
Mr. Jones' unserious suggestion is beyond absurd.

Nort Korea has a solution for those that criticize Kim.

Communism and liberalism are two different political ideologies. Communism cannot be termed liberalism and liberalism cannot be termed as communism as the two have distinct features that separate them.

Liberalism is an ideology that believes in individual freedom. Liberalism is a political ideology that thinks that an individual is free from all interferences and restrictions. On the other hand, communism does not give any emphasis to individual freedom. Communism is a political ideology that stands for equality of all. Communism pertains to the welfare of the society or community. It stands for a stateless or class less society.

In communism, power is equally shared by everyone. But in Liberalism there is no power sharing but every one considers being free from the other. While Communism gives priority to the welfare of a society, liberalism gives priority to the rights of an individual. Communism does not think that an individual is above others.

When talking about economy, Liberalism thinks of a free market but in Communism, it is the community or society that controls the economy and means of production. The profit is equally shared in communism.

When Liberalism focuses on a balance between individual and community responsibilities, Communism focuses entirely on community responsibility.

Communism is an ideology that entirely revolves round the good will of a community. On the other hand, Liberalism has its base on individuals only.

Summary
1. Liberalism is a political ideology that thinks that an individual is free from all interferences and restrictions. Communism does not give any emphasis to individual freedom. It is a political ideology that stands for equality of all.
2. In communism, power is equally shared by everyone. But in Liberalism there is no power sharing but every one considers being free from the other.
3. Communism gives priority to the welfare of a society, liberalism gives priority to the rights of an individual.
4. There may be some form of government in Liberalism but in Communism there is no government as it implies a class less and state less society.
5. Liberalism focuses on a balance between individual and community responsibilities. Communism focuses entirely on community responsibility.

Great, after all we've explained, and still, you don't get one simple equation, that Liberalism/Progressivism leads to communism. Period!

Walks, merge this bull shit with his other thread.
Thanks.

Before Walks moves this, I have a question.
Is this conservative, liberal or Classic Liberal in nature and do you agree with it? In Other words, whose party platform do you think it aligns with?

It is shameful and unacceptable that any child should live in poverty, and that anyone should go hungry, homeless, without medicine, or without a living wage in our nation of such great wealth.
I have more examples, I just wanted to know your thought about it.

Meet the Needs of Working, Unemployed and Farm Families

-Unemployment insurance for all workers.
- Moratorium on farm foreclosures
- Labor law reform to remove barriers to workers who want to join a union.
- No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits.
- Universal prescription drug coverage administered by Medicare. Universal health care system.
- Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages.
- Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers.

Make Corporate Giants Pay
- Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations.
- Close corporate tax loopholes.
- Restitution to workers' pensions.
- Strong regulation of financial industry.
- Regulation and public ownership of utilities
- Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land
- Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs

Hmm........... is this part of an ongoing series of guest posts on the isms of the world???
Anyway, the narrative below, which I agree with, is not a personal opinion but rather comes from the Britannica.
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The spawn of communism and liberalism was the (French) Enlightenment, the essence of which was a revolt against the established social order of the 18th century represented by the French Monarchy and Catholic Church.
The Enlightenment promoted both economic progressivism, which led to Marxism, as well as cultural/social freedom from restraint, expressed in liberalism.
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However, it should be obvious that the high minded ideas and ideals espoused by  Voltaire, Rousseau, d' Lambert, Montesquieu, St.Just and Diderot; are light years from what has evolved in our time.
Case in point: does anyone believe that the Liberalism of Lord Palmerston has anything to do w/the liberalism of Nancy Pelosi???

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 10, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
Hmm........... is this part of an ongoing series of guest posts on the isms of the world???
Anyway, the narrative below, which I agree with, is not a personal opinion but rather comes from the Britannica.
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The spawn of communism and liberalism was the (French) Enlightenment, the essence of which was a revolt against the established social order of the 18th century represented by the French Monarchy and Catholic Church.
The Enlightenment promoted both economic progressivism, which led to Marxism, as well as cultural/social freedom from restraint, expressed in liberalism.
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However, it should be obvious that the high minded ideas and ideals espoused by  Voltaire, Rousseau, d' Lambert, Montesquieu, St.Just and Diderot; are light years from what has evolved in our time.
Case in point: does anyone believe that the Liberalism of Lord Palmerston has anything to do w/the liberalism of Nancy Pelosi???

Yep, there's a reason the left is in constant flux where their nomenclature is concerned, take Liberal for example, usurped from Classic liberalism, the original Conservative.
Progressive was first used in the communist manifesto by Marx "progressive income tax", and when the left trashed the meaning of liberalism, they readopted the term Progressive.
I wrote a short essay on the subject stating that the Dim party has trashed the term Progressive as well, and is about to adopt, for the first time in the party's history, "Social Democrat party USA.
It's who and what they are, and they've already adopted the platform, so why lie about themselves any longer?

Quote from: Solar on March 10, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
It is shameful and unacceptable that any child should live in poverty, and that anyone should go hungry, homeless, without medicine, or without a living wage in our nation of such great wealth.

Whose responsibility is it? We don't want people living in hard times but it seams whenever this discussion comes up, it involves in involuntary taking of money from it's citizens without any responsibility from those who are receiving that help. We have to have our taxes taken from us to many times reward bad behavior as well as non citizens.