Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

Conservatives believe policies that promote economic growth for everyone is better than a government handouts.

You have to be more specific regarding the military.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

They have been doing it for years, they create jobs.  No jobs no middle-class.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

Explain that Govt does not create jobs, the private sector does. A Govt job is a net loos to the taxpayer, it brings in nothing.
The private sector creates jobs, the rich create jobs, taxing the rich at an exorbitant rate feeds only govt, stifles growth inn business.

It's all about a level playing field, where anyone can become rich by starting a new business, but it sounds like she's under the impression that all business people are rich, which is nowhere near reality, most of us struggle to keep the employees we have, but tax us at a ridiculous rate, and the last employee hired, will be the first fired.

Tax us even more, and we'll close the business and no one wins.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

Government has no money. Everything it creates it pays for by taking from the private sector (taxes, fees, penalties etc). As the government get's bigger the more money it needs and every dollar is taken from the private sector. As the government grows the private sector shrinks.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

omg, what a conversational dilemma...  Next time, demonstrate the motivations that formulated her thought-processeez so we can see the flaws in her logic, and respond to them accordingly.  Otherwise, you sound like a hillary-plant.     

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 30, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
omg, what a conversational dilemma...  Next time, demonstrate the motivations that formulated her thought-processeez so we can see the flaws in her logic, and respond to them accordingly.  Otherwise, you sound like a hillary-plant.   

Whom just got educated.

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 30, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
omg, what a conversational dilemma...  Next time, demonstrate the motivations that formulated her thought-processeez so we can see the flaws in her logic, and respond to them accordingly.  Otherwise, you sound like a hillary-plant. 

Or someone looking for help with there home work. 

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

The premise is flawed. By that, I mean that when  get it into our minds that we are a product of what our government does or does not do for us, or for anyone, for that matter, we sell ourselves short and attribute more power to the officials than they actually have. That does not mean we should refrain from taking an interest in public policy, nor partner with government when the occasion arises, but it is to say that when we feel like serfs, we will start acting like serfs.

Your friend will not grow to understand the difference between conservative and liberal by watching television, though it may help. It takes work and study. Listen carefully to Texas Senator Ted Cruz. He is the current standard bearer of conservatism. Study Rudolph Guliani and Ronald Reagan. Read Goldwater's "Conscience of a Conservative," Smith's "Wealth of Nations," Edmund Burke's "Reflections on the Revolution in France," Trump's "Time to Get Tough," and remember JFK's immortal words, "Ask not what your country can do for you; rather, ask what you can do for your country."

Basically SJ, she's under the delusion that the Govt has a right to ones earnings beyond what the lowliest taxpayer pays. It does not!
The govt has wasted trillions over the decades, and look at the mess this nation is in as a welfare state (think Baltimore riots).
If more people worried about what they can do for themselves and others on a personal basis and not what Govt should be doing, we'd be a lot better off.

The poor in this nation are considered rich by 90% of the planet. It's all a matter of perspective.

Quote from: Solar on April 30, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
Basically SJ, she's under the delusion that the Govt has a right to ones earnings beyond what the lowliest taxpayer pays. It does not! The govt has wasted trillions over the decades, and look at the mess this nation is in as a welfare state (think Baltimore riots).  If more people worried about what they can do for themselves and others on a personal basis and not what Govt should be doing, we'd be a lot better off. The poor in this nation are considered rich by 90% of the planet. It's all a matter of perspective.

The delusion that the state has this automatic claim on citizens' earnings, basically permitting the citizen to keep of whatever he or she earns the state decides it wants to allow, is accompanied by another delusion,  one even more insidious because it strikes at the heart of morale and sense of self worth.  That is, the idea that whatever we achieve in life, or become, as individuals, we have achieved or become not by our own efforts, but rather, through the generosity or efforts of the state.  In adopting this attitude, we are conceding for ourselves and our generations the senses of accomplishment and self worth that make life worth living.

As long as the majority of us hold on to that delusion,  there can be no meaningful debate as to which party or  philosophy of government we should vote for or support. 

Quote from: red_dirt on May 01, 2015, 02:34:35 AM
The delusion that the state has this automatic claim on citizens' earnings, basically permitting the citizen to keep of whatever he or she earns the state decides it wants to allow, is accompanied by another delusion,  one even more insidious because it strikes at the heart of morale and sense of self worth.  That is, the idea that whatever we achieve in life, or become, as individuals, we have achieved or become not by our own efforts, but rather, through the generosity or efforts of the state.  In adopting this attitude, we are conceding for ourselves and our generations the senses of accomplishment and self worth that make life worth living.

As long as the majority of us hold on to that delusion,  there can be no meaningful debate as to which party or  philosophy of government we should vote for or support.

Yep...
Govt housing, Baltimore, these are perfect examples of failed govt, and any idiot that thinks govt has the ability to fix anything, is living an illusion.
Yeah, the state only does one thing when it tries to make life fair, it removes the rights and liberties of one group to level the playing field to the advantage of another.

Govt is an obstruction, and should always be held in contempt, something our Founders were more than aware of and tried to warn us about.

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

Define "Middle Class"...

Its okay, I'll wait!

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 01, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
Define "Middle Class"...

Its okay, I'll wait!

Quote from: sjtoss on April 30, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Ok.. of course I know how, but I am struggling with HOW to explain it to someone who thinks conservatives screw the middle-class by bailing out the wealthy. She wonders if they ever make budget cuts that don't hurt children or the wealthy. She wants to know how Republicans leaders are taking steps to support military personnel.  She says she only hears what liberals are doing wrong and never hears good solutions from conservatives. Any help will be appreciated! :-) Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure how we "bail out the wealthy" at the expense of the middle class....the middle class uses banks, consumes the products the "wealthy" produce....including Gas and other forms of energy the wealthy produce...well so do the lower class.

So "bailing" out the wealthy (corporations) is actually bailing out all of us.

Specifically what the Govt can do to help the middle class is LOWER TAXES ON EVERYONE and scale down big govt who enforces a myriad of regulations that negative impact big business and commerce thereby driving up costs to the consumer even more.

If we really wanted everyone to pay their fair share we go to a flat tax of like ten percent, that way everyone would pay their fair share at a fair rate.

Then again do away with income taxes and go to something like a VAT which is really a consumer tax...that way EVERYBODY pays taxes on what they consume....even visitors and illegals