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House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'

The House Freedom Caucus on Friday filed a petition aimed at allowing lawmakers to vote on a "clean" Obamacare repeal bill that Congress passed in 2015.

If the so-called discharge petition receives 218 signatures, a simple majority in the House, it would remove the bill from committee and force a floor vote on the second or fourth Monday of the month. Sponsors are hoping the signatures are in place by September.

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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 11:56:15 AM »
It's time to turn on the lights and watch the cockroaches run for cover.

House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'

The House Freedom Caucus on Friday filed a petition aimed at allowing lawmakers to vote on a "clean" Obamacare repeal bill that Congress passed in 2015.

If the so-called discharge petition receives 218 signatures, a simple majority in the House, it would remove the bill from committee and force a floor vote on the second or fourth Monday of the month. Sponsors are hoping the signatures are in place by September.

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-freedom-caucus-files-petition-for-obamacare-clean-repeal/article/2631250

Good for the Freedom Caucus. Make these clowns go record and this is the exact intent of this action. This sums it up:

"This is an effort by House conservatives to force a vote on the bill most already supported before, but also to get members on the record for or against clean repeal," Alyssa Farah, spokeswoman for the House Freedom Caucus, said in an email.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 12:37:36 PM »
Good for the Freedom Caucus. Make these clowns go record and this is the exact intent of this action. This sums it up:

"This is an effort by House conservatives to force a vote on the bill most already supported before, but also to get members on the record for or against clean repeal," Alyssa Farah, spokeswoman for the House Freedom Caucus, said in an email.


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I can hear heads exploding in Washington D.C., all the way back in Washington state.

By state with the current, sitting Senator:

Arizona: Jeff Flake (R)

California: Dianne Feinstein (D)

Connecticut: Chris Murphy (D)

Delaware: Tom Carper (D)

Florida: Bill Nelson (D)

Hawaii: Mazie Hirono (D)

Indiana: Joe Donnelly (D)

Maine: Angus King (I)

Maryland: Ben Cardin (D)

Massachusetts: Elizabeth Warren (D)

Michigan: Debbie Stabenow (D)

Minnesota: Amy Klobuchar (D)

Mississippi: Roger Wicker (R)

Missouri: Claire McCaskill (D)

Montana: Jon Tester (D)

Nebraska: Deb Fisher (R)

Nevada: Dean Heller (R)

New Jersey: Bob Menendez (D)

New Mexico: Martin Heinrich (D)

New York: Kirsten Gillibrand (D)

North Dakota: Heidi Heitkamp (D)

Ohio: Sherrod Brown (D)

Pennsylvania: Bob Casey (D)

Rhode Island: Sheldon Whitehouse (D)

Tennessee: Bob Corker (R)

Texas: Ted Cruz (R)

Utah: Orrin Hatch (R) (possibly retiring)

Vermont: Bernie Sanders (I)

Virginia: Tim Kaine (D)

Washington: Maria Cantwell (D)

West Virginia: Joe Manchin (D)

Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin (D)

Wyoming: John Barrasso (R)
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 03:58:50 PM »
TWICE today, I had the radio on, and nearly drove off the darn roadway, thanks to Newt Gingrich's failing memory (Yes, I genuinely like the guy, but he's really starting to LOSE IT lately).

1st, he's putting part of the blame for the failure to repeal Obamacare on Trump.  WRONG!!!
2nd, he's claiming Trump's focus should be on the dozen or so Democrats where their state, Trump won easily.   WHY?!?!?
3rd, he's blaming the divide between the White House and Senate/House on Donald Trump.  STUPID!

a.  The Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare years before Trump was a candidate for this election run.  They did more than just say, "We'll vote for repeal", they PROMISED to repeal, and voted for repeal bills, over and over and over.  I don't care if it was symbolic, because my vote wasn't symbolic - I voted for the real thing - repeal Obamacare, PERIOD!

b.  Trump's focus is right where it belongs, on Mitch McConnell - he should also include Paul Ryan, IMO, and let Ole-insider, my backroom-dealmaker, work his own "magic" and knock a few heads, get them back in line!   Mitch has a problem with Susan Collins?   Well, guess which state is gonna suffer, Susan!   Start flooding her state's airwaves with campaign material, "Why did Susan vote against repealing Obamacare?  Call your Senator, NOW!"  Use that HUGE treasure chest of GOP money to start a recall election, against Collins.
BTW... why are you spending a DIME fighting against Conservatives in Primaries?   Hey, Mitch & Newt, this is exactly what Mitch wanted, a Senate full of Dems & RINOs - don't blame Trump for that, it's all Mitch McConnell's doing!

c.  The divide between the WH and other branches, is also a divide between the American Public and the other branches of government.  This is where Newt really doesn't "get it", and is thinking like Hillary won instead of Donald.   The House and Senate *created* this adversarial relationship with the WH, and they've yet to realize the public, Republicans & Democrats are on Donald Trump's side - regardless of the MSM incessant pounding.  Trump is on the correct side of the issues - it's the RINO House & RINO Senate who's dead wrong & fighting against the will of the American People.


Newt... I'm trying really hard to keep liking you, but keep up this BS, and I'll classify you with John Boerhner, a guy who showed promise in the beginning, went soft-in-the-head, becoming utterly useless to Conservative causes.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 04:09:00 PM »
Seems like a classical case of insanity. We're going to go through the whole process again and hope for a different outcome in the Senate?

This feels like a re-run. Didn't we already just do this in the last vote that went down 45 - 55 against? And aren't the obstructionist Dims and subversive RINOs already on record? What is significant about doing this all over again.  I guess we're just trying to get the House subversives on record? The subersives in the House can still vote for the repeal knowing full well it won't get through the Senate - same crap as when BO was in the veto check-mate position.

What a waste of time and money. But that's about all Congress can do - waste the taxpayers (our) time and money. And they really don't seem to care about it. Just excuses from a bunch of victims who pretend they represent the constituents - what a joke.

By the way, did I mention this week how Rob Portman, an elected Senator (R) from Ohio, voted against the Obamacare repeal. He's a RINO traitor and needs to resign. The reasons he posted either show his stupidity or what a liar he is ... either way he needs to go. Turncoat. The only thing more disappointing than Portman is that Trump hasn't sentenced Congress to Obamacare yet. What's holding him back?

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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 10:12:52 AM »
Hey. Here's a thought I haven't heard yet. Maybe I missed it.

Why not build some motivation for repeal.

POTUS should ask the HC industry's best representatives for a real plan that will balance HC across the US. Then, armed with an actual plan which seems to be entirely missing from the Pubs, a repeal would make more sense. If timed with the continued Obamacare failure, even some Dims may sign up - if there's something in it for them of course.

The difference in this idea from others is that Congress isn't the ones who come up with the HC plan. Conservatives claim that the free market is the way to go. Why not let those in the free market show how great they are. They actually know what they are talking about and can produce actual data to establish a real HC approach. I keep hearing poor plans from congress and a repeal doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so lets hear from people who actually work that industry instead of politicians who don't know a thing except how to feather their own beds.

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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 11:18:21 AM »
Hey. Here's a thought I haven't heard yet. Maybe I missed it.

Why not build some motivation for repeal.

POTUS should ask the HC industry's best representatives for a real plan that will balance HC across the US. Then, armed with an actual plan which seems to be entirely missing from the Pubs, a repeal would make more sense. If timed with the continued Obamacare failure, even some Dims may sign up - if there's something in it for them of course.

The difference in this idea from others is that Congress isn't the ones who come up with the HC plan. Conservatives claim that the free market is the way to go. Why not let those in the free market show how great they are. They actually know what they are talking about and can produce actual data to establish a real HC approach. I keep hearing poor plans from congress and a repeal doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so lets hear from people who actually work that industry instead of politicians who don't know a thing except how to feather their own beds.

I agree input from the medical community could be beneficial. However, they would need to be balanced with true free marketeers who do not worry about PC solutions such as covering all pre-existing conditions. That in and of itself blows affordability out the window. Also, would have to be leery of the health insurance industry as they sold their soul on Obamacare.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 12:29:01 PM »
Hey. Here's a thought I haven't heard yet. Maybe I missed it.

Why not build some motivation for repeal.

POTUS should ask the HC industry's best representatives for a real plan that will balance HC across the US. Then, armed with an actual plan which seems to be entirely missing from the Pubs, a repeal would make more sense. If timed with the continued Obamacare failure, even some Dims may sign up - if there's something in it for them of course.

The difference in this idea from others is that Congress isn't the ones who come up with the HC plan. Conservatives claim that the free market is the way to go. Why not let those in the free market show how great they are. They actually know what they are talking about and can produce actual data to establish a real HC approach. I keep hearing poor plans from congress and a repeal doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so lets hear from people who actually work that industry instead of politicians who don't know a thing except how to feather their own beds.
Capitalism, sounds great on the surface, till you factor in, it was the corporate fatcat insurance agencies that helped craft Commiecare in the first place. Yes, the govt created rules that chose winners and created losers, and the latter was the people.

No, there's but one option, get govt, the fuck out of the free market and let water find the least path of resistance.
Water being the fluid market place. People will always buy the best and most affordable policy, or they'll work a deal with the doctor, barter coin, matters not, but govt does nothing more than place barriers and make it nearly impossible for a fair playing field.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2017, 04:28:04 PM »
I agree input from the medical community could be beneficial. However, they would need to be balanced with true free marketeers who do not worry about PC solutions such as covering all pre-existing conditions. That in and of itself blows affordability out the window. Also, would have to be leery of the health insurance industry as they sold their soul on Obamacare.

Yeah - there is only so many dollars to go around. It's not feasible to cover every pre-existing condition, chase some illnesses to the nth potential cure, rehab every addict as many times as the fall down, and pay for weird stuff like sex-change. Take any dollar out of the HC bucket and hold it up: it can't go everywhere. Do you want it to go to treating an addict that has entered a program for the ninth time or vaccinating children? There simply isn't enough funds to do it all and a company with a spine needs to be allowed to price plans to balance it (no govt. hinderence) then the market needs to be allowed to act freely without government interference. 

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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2017, 04:34:08 PM »
Capitalism, sounds great on the surface, till you factor in, it was the corporate fatcat insurance agencies that helped craft Commiecare in the first place. Yes, the govt created rules that chose winners and created losers, and the latter was the people.

No, there's but one option, get govt, the fuck out of the free market and let water find the least path of resistance.
Water being the fluid market place. People will always buy the best and most affordable policy, or they'll work a deal with the doctor, barter coin, matters not, but govt does nothing more than place barriers and make it nearly impossible for a fair playing field.

You're missing me - we're on the same page as to the final position but the free market needs to help defeat Obamacare and win a full repeal. The point to this thought / idea is to establish a plan in the free market (independent companies or a consortium) to define an approach then win more support to do a full repeal.

I'm just suggesting a transition that will gain more support to repeal. Obviously Congress has no plan to operate HC. As far as I can tell, I can't see a clear plan for insurance companies to do it either in the midst of all the conditions that groups want covered. But if insurance companies put up a well-reasoned plan to operate under in the free market then, maybe, more people could vote for the full repeal as they would have more confidence that the free market has a strategy.

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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2017, 05:04:45 PM »
You're missing me - we're on the same page as to the final position but the free market needs to help defeat Obamacare and win a full repeal. The point to this thought / idea is to establish a plan in the free market (independent companies or a consortium) to define an approach then win more support to do a full repeal.

I'm just suggesting a transition that will gain more support to repeal. Obviously Congress has no plan to operate HC. As far as I can tell, I can't see a clear plan for insurance companies to do it either in the midst of all the conditions that groups want covered. But if insurance companies put up a well-reasoned plan to operate under in the free market then, maybe, more people could vote for the full repeal as they would have more confidence that the free market has a strategy.
You missed the point, not one company wants it repealed in full, they along with pharmaceutical Co's want govt setting rules for the game, that means huge subsidies that make their shareholders money.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2017, 05:24:59 PM »


Seems like a classical case of insanity. We're going to go through the whole process again and hope for a different outcome in the Senate?


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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2017, 07:38:10 PM »
You missed the point, not one company wants it repealed in full, they along with pharmaceutical Co's want govt setting rules for the game, that means huge subsidies that make their shareholders money.
It's akin to asking the fox to design a hen house.

Your forgetting the pay raise and bonus each year for insurance Co's

I know a woman that got a 5.000$ pay raise this year and last year a 4.000$ bonus check.  From the Company she works for.  You talk about designing a hen house.   
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 05:06:00 AM »
Your forgetting the pay raise and bonus each year for insurance Co's

I know a woman that got a 5.000$ pay raise this year and last year a 4.000$ bonus check.  From the Company she works for.  You talk about designing a hen house.
Yep, their profits are screaming because of govt setting the rules in their favor while screwing the public.
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Re: House Freedom Caucus files petition for Obamacare 'clean repeal'
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 05:39:17 AM »
Most real conservatives, including those on this site, agree that full repeal and returning to a free market is the approach that is best and consistent with conservative values.

We also see that the full repeal isn't happening under the current administration - in the current climate with the existing data in front of the congressional sheep.

Several have identified problems with the approach of bringing in the actual HC market to set up a system to move to. The key flaw cited is that the insurance companies are crony capitalists - it it for one thing ... to fill their pockets at our expense. I'm not so sure it's true that all are, but even if they are can we not find an incentive for them to work toward repeal? Trump set one model - he told companies that they needed to do business in the US ... and now what do we see? What if Trump worked with businesses and told them they needed to work for full repeal which contains the explicit assumption that those who work in his direction will be rewarded and those who don't will be punished. We only threatened to build a wall and immigration went down very substantially; will probably come back up, but the point is that there are other levers that we need to look at on HC.

I feel that Mitch McConnell has become the whipping post. He was told to do the repeal / replace and just get it done. I've worked for so many managers who haven't a clue how and have told their subordinates to get things done. And if they don't come through on the blind demand, they throw gas on them and hit them with the flame thrower. You KNOW Trump is that kind of leader; he gets away with it most of the time because he's on the right side of the matter and has the money / power to persuade it. Rather than beating McConnell senseless, how about someone help him find a path that could work. I haven't followed Mitch's career closely, but I get the sense that he one that works hard in the right direction most of the time.

Get creative Conservatives! These last few posts sound like we're a bunch of victims satisfied to sit on the white lane markers waiting for the next Semi-truck to make road kill of us. Let's find some alternatives and try and coerce our congress toward a full repeal. We need about five senate votes to make that happen.

A real plan from some of those who really know the HC industry - along with publicity that teaches why it's a good approach - might be enough to move the votes. Maybe there is an adjustment to the idea that you can see and I can't - find the carrot to put on the stick and find those in the HC industry for whom our conservative values mean more than raping the public for profit.




 

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