Quote from: ldub23 on March 26, 2017, 04:44:05 AM
Its a huge failure if tax cuts dont materialize. How can this be a victory if  obamacare is alive and well and becoming  more difficult to unravel each day?

O-care is already difficult to unravel. It was deliberately designed to be difficult, if not impossible to perform an outright repeal without causing unacceptable economic damage. O-care built up a fragile (designed to fail) infrastructure that cannot be ignored when the time comes to repeal/replace. As such, any attempt to get rid of ACA will have to include a plan which will dismantle O-care's structure carefully so as to minimize harm. Such is not something that can be planned and written, debated and modified in a few weeks time. That is why anyone who were expecting the new congress to simply write a repeal bill and leave it at that - including the candidates who made that a campaign promise - were promoting very unrealistic expectations.

Quote from: ldub23 on March 26, 2017, 04:44:05 AM
Its a huge failure if tax cuts dont materialize. How can this be a victory if  obamacare is alive and well and becoming  more difficult to unravel each day?

The Bill Ryan proposed did nothing whatsoever to curb Commiecare. By having nothing in place allows Commiecare to expire and die on the vine, just like Trump said, if left to its own devices, libs will be begging to have it killed.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/26/its-working-insurers-project-substantial-increases-in-2017-obamacare-premiums-n2154033

Quote from: Solar on March 26, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
The Bill Ryan proposed did nothing whatsoever to curb Commiecare. By having nothing in place allows Commiecare to expire and die on the vine, just like Trump said, if left to its own devices, libs will be begging to have it killed.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/26/its-working-insurers-project-substantial-increases-in-2017-obamacare-premiums-n2154033

The positive is the democrats still own the disaster. What Ryan had put together would have been a disaster as well and then the republicans would own it.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 26, 2017, 08:48:04 AM
The positive is the democrats still own the disaster. What Ryan had put together would have been a disaster as well and then the republicans would own it.

Exactly!!!!
Ryan literally wanted to take credit for a Dim failure. WTF is wrong with the GOP that they are so Hell bent on helping Dims out of the cesspit they dug and got stuck in?
Are we (members of this forum) the only ones that see collusion between the RINO and the Dim party and the GOP always bailing them out?

If the Republicans FAILED to repeal Obamacare - what was the vote?

What was the vote total?   It's still a wholly owned Democrat bill, it's THEIR healthcare system, not a single Republican voted for it.

Let it fail - the Democrats own it, let it collapse!   If the Republicans want to help rescue it - then it'd be a Republican problem, just the thing the Democrats would love (when it fails).   Like any bill, there will be something WRONG with it.

Chuck Shumer, Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi remind me, in a twisted way, of Walter Cronkite announcing American defeat during the Viet Nam or Iraqi war(s).  Whenever we "won", it was spun as a slaughter of Americans.   Nixon's war, Bush's war, Trump's failure - whatever, they're still the party of the negatives - against anything... unless their party is behind it.  Politics above the best interests of America.  Media isn't any better, should we expect anything positive, regardless of the outcome?  Hardly.  I don't waste my time listening to these knuckleheads - that probably infuriates them even more... let's face it, your life has got to be pretty BORING to waste time watching TV or listening to political punditry.

Leave it alone, it'll run out of gas, or wreck, and the Democrats can own it.   Already ... there's Chuck Shumer reaching out to Trump, trying to get this load of Obamacare off his plate, he KNOWS this is bad, and desperately wants to the Republicans to "own it" (like the Viet Nam war).   

Trump should answer every question raised about Obamacare with simply, "It started as a Democrat bill, it was passed solely as a Democrat bill - if they thought it needed fixing, they would have voted with us - Democrats own this debacle, 100%, next question!"   Go on to do the same with ALL Democrat talking points, if they like it, they can pay to keep it afloat - and take the blame for the ill consequences.

Obamacare is failing?   Nancy Pelosi said she'd have to voted for it, to see how it was gonna fail (or what was in it, whatever).  Chuck Shumer is all behind Obamacare, he pushed it, if it doesn't work out, fire him!  They're the ones who gave us this mess, none of the Republicans voted for it - go after those career politicians who tried to steal your freedom.   It's that simple - it's a Democrat issue.

Any sensible Republican would be thanking Rand Paul & the Freedom Caucus.

Has any of the freedom caucus members offered a bill?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 26, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
Has anyone of the freedom caucus members offered a bill?

Yes! They asked for the bill that was passed by both houses last year and vetoed by Obama to be brought back up!