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Title: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Darth Fife on December 14, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
Liberals and the media blaming this on a Rightwing NRA type, Tea Party nut job in 3... 2... 1...
:sad:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: taxed on December 14, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
After they discover it wasn't, they'll drop the story...
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Solar on December 14, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
He had a gun, that alone makes him a rightcwing extremest.
I suspect we will hear from all the leftist rumor mongers making outrageous claims and those claims will become fact to the casual idiot low info voter.

Tea party needs to be locked up. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: hoosier on December 14, 2012, 01:20:07 PM
Under the heading Hartford School Shooting, you find a way to politize this horrific tragedy right away. How about encouraging prayer and condolences for the hundreds of people who will be deeply affected. How about quieting the deviceveness and  fear-mongering for just a minute?
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: JustKari on December 14, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-lawmakers-offer-prayers-85096.html?hp=f1?ml=al_4 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-lawmakers-offer-prayers-85096.html?hp=f1?ml=al_4)

And it begins...
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Solar on December 14, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: JustKari on December 14, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-lawmakers-offer-prayers-85096.html?hp=f1?ml=al_4 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-lawmakers-offer-prayers-85096.html?hp=f1?ml=al_4)

And it begins...
Not even one day to heel and the left jumps on the political bandwagon.
Darth called this one right, the left is without a heart, let alone a soul.

Now lets assume there were no guns in the world, does one person actually believe for one second this idiot wouldn't have built a bomb that would most likely killed even more?

I truly feel for those that will suffer the loss of loved ones, this was a truly despicable act.
Edit:
Case in point:

Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story (http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story)
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: walkstall on December 14, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Not even one day to heel and the left jumps on the political bandwagon.
Darth called this one right, the left is without a heart, let alone a soul.

Now lets assume there were no guns in the world, does one person actually believe for one second this idiot wouldn't have built a bomb that would most likely killed even more?

I truly feel for those that will suffer the loss of loved ones, this was a truly despicable act.



Very sad,  but they will use whatever is need to do the job.

"A teenager has killed eight people and wounded five others in a knife attack in China's Liaoning province, state media says."


more @
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19091840 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19091840)


Six people killed in Jersey knife attack.

more @
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/14/five-killed-jersey-knife-attack (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/14/five-killed-jersey-knife-attack)
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 14, 2012, 02:00:06 PM
What is moronic is most liberals want to ban all firearms except hunting rifles. Apparently they don't think hunting rifles will be used in crimes if they are the only guns available.

If a person is determined enough and desperate enough to commit an atrocity such as this they will find a way to do it with whatever they can find to use as weapons.

The usual suspects are going on about guns and of course God. What they are ignoring is the obvious. The killers mental state. But questioning the gunman's mental state is not considered PC. And it does not help advance the anti gun agenda.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 02:08:27 PM
Firearms are not that complex. Village blacksmiths in Pakistan make copies of AK47's. A crazy man who can make a bomb, can make a gun. BTW, at what point will they realize that these "gun free zones" are simply an invitation to the crazies?
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 14, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
Obamao was pictured crying.....

You just know he is gonna get all the political mileage out of this to propose more firearms legislation

don't know much about the shooter at this point but my bet is he is one of those distrubed loons who was under some kind of therapy involving DRUGS. at some point.

Billy
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 14, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
Obamao was pictured crying.....

You just know he is gonna get all the political mileage out of this to propose more firearms legislation

don't know much about the shooter at this point but my bet is he is one of those distrubed loons who was under some kind of therapy involving DRUGS. at some point.

Billy
You could wait a long time for the Left to admit that their policies of deinstitutionalizing the mentally disturbed might be at fault.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Darth Fife on December 14, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: hoosier on December 14, 2012, 01:20:07 PM
Under the heading Hartford School Shooting, you find a way to politize this horrific tragedy right away. How about encouraging prayer and condolences for the hundreds of people who will be deeply affected. How about quieting the deviceveness and  fear-mongering for just a minute?

First off, I'm an Atheist, I don' t pray.

Second, it was only 6 minutes after your posted your sentimental drivel that we had evidence of the Left and The Media doing EXACTLY what I said it would do.

Don't blame me for being able to predict exactly the way the Left and the MSM operates in this country.



Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 14, 2012, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
You could wait a long time for the Left to admit that their policies of deinstitutionalizing the mentally disturbed might be at fault.


The charletons in the Psychiatrict profession (Liberal to the core) are responsible for more mayhem in this country than any group of foreign terrorists.

Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: taxed on December 14, 2012, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: hoosier on December 14, 2012, 01:20:07 PM
Under the heading Hartford School Shooting, you find a way to politize this horrific tragedy right away. How about encouraging prayer and condolences for the hundreds of people who will be deeply affected. How about quieting the deviceveness and  fear-mongering for just a minute?

Sorry.  I can't prevent my brain from performing logical computations and analysis.

Scenario 1: Teachers don't carry guns.  Shooter kills 20 kids.
Scenario 2: Teachers carry guns.  Shooter doesn't even get out of bed.

I wonder how many of those parents who lost their kids wish the teacher, or someone, was carrying.  I bet it is 100%.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 14, 2012, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2012, 03:09:44 PM
Sorry.  I can't prevent my brain from performing logical computations and analysis.

Scenario 1: Teachers don't carry guns.  Shooter kills 20 kids.
Scenario 2: Teachers carry guns.  Shooter doesn't even get out of bed.

I wonder how many of those parents who lost their kids wish the teacher, or someone, was carrying.  I bet it is 100%.

I welled up with tears today when I heard this story. Almost jumped in the van and went to get my daughter from kindergarten.

I go with scenario #2. The people that work at schools get a full background check, psych eval, carry a concealed firearm, and know how to use it.

These bastards won't be in such a hurry to get on the news, if they know they will be dropped the instant they pull out a gun.
The headline news will be......................"Another Tragedy Prevented". End of story.

I am not an athiest, and I am praying for the poor families of these innocent victims. I'm sure that most of the parents of these 20 murdered kids, already have their Christmas presents wrapped for them. I can't possibly imagine their anguish. :cry:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Yawn on December 14, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
The Left blames the "tool" and ignores the years of liberal indoctrination that created these soulless monsters.  The truth is, liberalism has created this generation of soulless killers  They live worthless lives and Obama has left the country with a sense of hopelessness and desperation and the prospect that their way of live will be much worse than the lives of their parents.  They see these murders as a way of "leaving their mark" and being famous for at least something.  But the Left will never examine themselves and demand that we ban the tool.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Yawn on December 14, 2012, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: mrclose on December 14, 2012, 05:49:34 PM
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:thumbsup:  I think that's how the Founder envisioned Lady Liberty (armed and ready to defend Liberty), but it was a gift from the French.   :lol:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 14, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: mrclose on December 14, 2012, 05:49:34 PM
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That's how you make liberals sick...
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: The Stranger on December 15, 2012, 06:38:01 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 14, 2012, 04:52:36 PM
I welled up with tears today when I heard this story. Almost jumped in the van and went to get my daughter from kindergarten.

I go with scenario #2. The people that work at schools get a full background check, psych eval, carry a concealed firearm, and know how to use it.

These bastards won't be in such a hurry to get on the news, if they know they will be dropped the instant they pull out a gun.
The headline news will be......................"Another Tragedy Prevented". End of story.

Don't wish to disagree but the Media wouldn't cover it unless it fit their agenda!


I am not an athiest, and I am praying for the poor families of these innocent victims. I'm sure that most of the parents of these 20 murdered kids, already have their Christmas presents wrapped for them. I can't possibly imagine their anguish. :cry:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: The Stranger on December 15, 2012, 06:40:31 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 14, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
The Left blames the "tool" and ignores the years of liberal indoctrination that created these soulless monsters.  The truth is, liberalism has created this generation of soulless killers  They live worthless lives and Obama has left the country with a sense of hopelessness and desperation and the prospect that their way of live will be much worse than the lives of their parents.  They see these murders as a way of "leaving their mark" and being famous for at least something.  But the Left will never examine themselves and demand that we ban the tool.

Wow well said. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on December 15, 2012, 06:38:01 AM


I agree completely. The media is a branch of the democrat party.

I've got a separate, and contentious argument brewing on FB over this entire subject. The usual suspects calling for gun control.

Just 5 minutes ago I posted this:
Hold on a second..............I'll copy and paste my last two posts.

Him-  As said Mark, while the paranoia of the Forefathers rules the thinking, you can't change this.

Me- Yeah Drake, I guess you're right. I don't know what the forefathers were thinking. Never before in history, had the government become the enemy of the people. What a bunch of dummies.
Even today, all government is good, all around the world. To think otherwise would be paranoid. ;-)



Me- Perhaps you're missing the irony..................

Armed American citizens is a bad thing that should be eliminated.

Arming rebel forces across the mid east, and helping them to overthrow their governments is a good thing.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: keyboarder on December 15, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
I agree completely. The media is a branch of the democrat party.

I've got a separate, and contentious argument brewing on FB over this entire subject. The usual suspects calling for gun control.

Just 5 minutes ago I posted this:
Hold on a second..............I'll copy and paste my last two posts.

Him-  As said Mark, while the paranoia of the Forefathers rules the thinking, you can't change this.

Me- Yeah Drake, I guess you're right. I don't know what the forefathers were thinking. Never before in history, had the government become the enemy of the people. What a bunch of dummies.
Even today, all government is good, all around the world. To think otherwise would be paranoid. ;-)



Me- Perhaps you're missing the irony..................

Armed American citizens is a bad thing that should be eliminated.

Arming rebel forces across the mid east, and helping them to overthrow their governments is a good thing.


Straight to the point and well said!  I heard so many different accounts about this tragedy yesterday that I'm still not sure what the truth is and what was just overzealousness of the media to be the first with the most.  What they all agreed on was the horrific nature of this tragedy.  Then, as you would expect, out trots the different ones called in by different news anchors to give us some perspective, among which was a psychologist .  If you had a dictionary you could have figured out what he was so eloquently trying to say.  In essence, this person was giving his very liberal evaluation of what might have caused this and what should be done about gun carry.  Never did he ever say anything about how the school officials were trained to deal with such events but did say they were trained.  We know by now that none of the school's adm. were trained to carry on school property, so how were they trained since from all subsequent accounts I'd heard was of what you'd think, mayhem with the bravest of the bunch being children that tried to lead other children from the danger.  This same news anchor got such a thrill out of announcing to listeners that soon we'd be hearing from that person in the WH masquerading as the president of the US.  At this point I almost broke down myself.  What could this president ever say that would bring comfort to the many families affected by this tragedy?  Connecticut?  On second thought, didn't they overwhelmingly vote for him?  Either way, my guess is that none of the family members could have cared who he was at that point in their lives, they had lost their children and nothing or no one was going to lessen their grief or bring their children back to the safety of loving parents.  I could not listen to the address of the president but am told by friends that he did what he usually does in cases of such opportunity.  Yes, never let a good opportunity go to waste, started in on his agenda of getting rid of the guns.  Like this is going to make an insane world saner.  All it will do is make us, his enemy, more vulnerable.  How vulnerable was this school?  Who targets babies except the crazy left or terrorists?
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on December 15, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
Straight to the point and well said!  I heard so many different accounts about this tragedy yesterday that I'm still not sure what the truth is and what was just overzealousness of the media to be the first with the most.  What they all agreed on was the horrific nature of this tragedy.  Then, as you would expect, out trots the different ones called in by different news anchors to give us some perspective, among which was a psychologist .  If you had a dictionary you could have figured out what he was so eloquently trying to say.  In essence, this person was giving his very liberal evaluation of what might have caused this and what should be done about gun carry.  Never did he ever say anything about how the school officials were trained to deal with such events but did say they were trained.  We know by now that none of the school's adm. were trained to carry on school property, so how were they trained since from all subsequent accounts I'd heard was of what you'd think, mayhem with the bravest of the bunch being children that tried to lead other children from the danger.  This same news anchor got such a thrill out of announcing to listeners that soon we'd be hearing from that person in the WH masquerading as the president of the US.  At this point I almost broke down myself.  What could this president ever say that would bring comfort to the many families affected by this tragedy?  Connecticut?  On second thought, didn't they overwhelmingly vote for him?  Either way, my guess is that none of the family members could have cared who he was at that point in their lives, they had lost their children and nothing or no one was going to lessen their grief or bring their children back to the safety of loving parents.  I could not listen to the address of the president but am told by friends that he did what he usually does in cases of such opportunity.  Yes, never let a good opportunity go to waste, started in on his agenda of getting rid of the guns.  Like this is going to make an insane world saner.  All it will do is make us, his enemy, more vulnerable.  How vulnerable was this school?  Who targets babies except the crazy left or terrorists?

I'm not listening to Obama, or any other news on this subject today. It all makes me sick.

Let me know if you happen to hear a psychologist point out that these horrible events seem to be increasing in lockstep with the liberal indoctrination of our young. I'll turn on the TV.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 09:15:48 AM
Reading that the some libs saying anyone who is a member of the NRA or GOP has blood on their hands.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 09:15:48 AM
Let me know if you happen to hear a psychologist point out that these horrible events seem to be increasing in lockstep with the liberal indoctrination of our young. I'll turn on the TV.

That's exactly what's going on
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
That's exactly what's going on

I know. I was being facetious. :wink:

We are raising our kids in insulated little bubbles, rather than allowing them to experience the emotional and physical bumps and scrapes that come with life, and when they get spit out onto the street, they have no idea how to handle the ugly truth...............................and some of them snap. It's really no more complicated than that. The good intentions of the confused left. Shit keeps getting worse, and they keep saying that we must do more.

NO...............we must do less!
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Darth Fife on December 15, 2012, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 09:15:48 AM
Reading that the some libs saying anyone who is a member of the NRA or GOP has blood on their hands.

And they make that claim at the very same moment (for some of them) that they are make uber-violent movies such as Blue Velvet, Natural Born Killers, etc, etc, which glorifies senseless violence and desensitizes its audience to the suffering of others.

If anyone has blood on their hands, it's Hollywood and the Liberal Entertainment Complex.

Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: NinetyNine on December 15, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
Hello. I am new to this forum and live in a blue state. I just have to share an exchange and conversation that I have had, in one form or another, over and over since the shooting.

Me: "I am from Texas. I was raised around guns. All of my family members owned guns. None of them are violent. I think it is very tragic and sad what has happened but I am still in favor of the right to own guns."

Other person: "How could you? What is wrong with people like you? Gun nuts always hide behind their second amendment rights! When the founding fathers wrote the constitution, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon that could gun down dozens of innocent children in one sweep."

Me (grudgingly): "Actually, yes, I am pretty conservative but this is true. Maybe people could still have the right to own rifles and handguns for protection while tougher laws could be passed on automatic weapons. We should possibly look at the media's role in this too. After all, when the founding fathers wrote the constitution, we did not have mass media, either. We did not have 24-hour news channels that broadcast images of violence over and over, or video games that encouraged children, teens, and young adults to think about what it might be like to gun down dozens of people at a time. We also did not have journalists making heroes out of monsters like these by making them virtual overnight celebrities, basically rewarding their behavior by giving them exactly the kind of attention they sought in the first place. So maybe we should pass stricter laws on the media, too."

Other person: "HOW DARE YOU? HOW DARE YOU THREATEN MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS BY QUESTIONING THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS? WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU?"

True story. I hear it over and over again. Apparently, it is perfectly ok to question the Second Amendment but not ok to ever question the wisdom of the First, even if it involves the incitement of violence and the spreading of smut.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: NinetyNine on December 15, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
ETA: It is about 9 months, 3 weeks, 2 days and 4 hours until I am able to move back to Texas. I hope no one shoots me before I make it. After all, I live in Colorado and there have been two mass shootings here and many, many small ones. There have also been two shootings in Oregon, a sniper in Washington D.C. and now the shooting in Connecticut.

Guess what they all have in common? Yes, they are all blue states. Funny how no one thinks to have a shooting in a state where the innocent are likely to bring their own guns to the fight.............
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
It's not just fear of retaliation, as you know, Red State people are DIFFERENT.  They respect other human beings. It is the Blue State peeps that lost their humanity.  They mock southerners, but they are the best an most respectful people you'll ever meet--both black and white folks.  That's why they're so hated by the intolerant Left.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 15, 2012, 03:57:55 PM
And they make that claim at the very same moment (for some of them) that they are make uber-violent movies such as Blue Velvet, Natural Born Killers, etc, etc, which glorifies senseless violence and desensitizes its audience to the suffering of others.

If anyone has blood on their hands, it's Hollywood and the Liberal Entertainment Complex.

I think it's worth mentioning, that Chris Dodd, former senator and the sponsor of a bunch of bills that screwed the country, is now the head lobbyist for Hollywood.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
It's not just fear of retaliation, as you know, Red State people are DIFFERENT.  They respect other human beings. It is the Blue State peeps that lost their humanity.  They mock southerners, but they are the best an most respectful people you'll ever meet--both black and white folks.  That's why they're so hated by the intolerant Left.

This is true. My wife was born and raised in CA. I dragged her to NC, and she couldn't believe how nice people are. Color doesn't matter.............that I can see. If racism rears it's head, I piss on it.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on December 15, 2012, 06:00:25 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
You could wait a long time for the Left to admit that their policies of deinstitutionalizing the mentally disturbed might be at fault.


That and the policy of filling our kids up with behavioral modifying drugs which seems to set them off.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on December 15, 2012, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
I agree completely. The media is a branch of the democrat party.

I've got a separate, and contentious argument brewing on FB over this entire subject. The usual suspects calling for gun control.

Just 5 minutes ago I posted this:
Hold on a second..............I'll copy and paste my last two posts.

Him-  As said Mark, while the paranoia of the Forefathers rules the thinking, you can't change this.

Me- Yeah Drake, I guess you're right. I don't know what the forefathers were thinking. Never before in history, had the government become the enemy of the people. What a bunch of dummies.
Even today, all government is good, all around the world. To think otherwise would be paranoid. ;-)



Me- Perhaps you're missing the irony..................

Armed American citizens is a bad thing that should be eliminated.

Arming rebel forces across the mid east, and helping them to overthrow their governments is a good thing.


Add to that arming narcoterrorist insurgents in Mexico who kill US citizens is a "good thing" or a good way to stop gun violence.....


Billy
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 15, 2012, 06:02:48 PM
Add to that arming narcoterrorist insurgents in Mexico who kill US citizens is a "good thing" or a good way to stop gun violence.....


Billy

I had a moment of clarity earlier, and I believe that our government controls everything. Poverty levels, gun trafficking, drugs, prison populations....................you name it. It's all a balancing act to keep them in charge and growing.

The implications are staggering. If I'm even close to the truth, it would also render all of these conversations moot. I think that there is a distinct possibility that we have already lost our freedom...................completely. We just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: JustKari on December 15, 2012, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: NinetyNine on December 15, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
Hello. I am new to this forum and live in a blue state. I just have to share an exchange and conversation that I have had, in one form or another, over and over since the shooting.

Me: "I am from Texas. I was raised around guns. All of my family members owned guns. None of them are violent. I think it is very tragic and sad what has happened but I am still in favor of the right to own guns."

Other person: "How could you? What is wrong with people like you? Gun nuts always hide behind their second amendment rights! When the founding fathers wrote the constitution, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon that could gun down dozens of innocent children in one sweep."

Me (grudgingly): "Actually, yes, I am pretty conservative but this is true. Maybe people could still have the right to own rifles and handguns for protection while tougher laws could be passed on automatic weapons. We should possibly look at the media's role in this too. After all, when the founding fathers wrote the constitution, we did not have mass media, either. We did not have 24-hour news channels that broadcast images of violence over and over, or video games that encouraged children, teens, and young adults to think about what it might be like to gun down dozens of people at a time. We also did not have journalists making heroes out of monsters like these by making them virtual overnight celebrities, basically rewarding their behavior by giving them exactly the kind of attention they sought in the first place. So maybe we should pass stricter laws on the media, too."

Other person: "HOW DARE YOU? HOW DARE YOU THREATEN MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS BY QUESTIONING THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS? WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU?"

True story. I hear it over and over again. Apparently, it is perfectly ok to question the Second Amendment but not ok to ever question the wisdom of the First, even if it involves the incitement of violence and the spreading of smut.

You could point out that they are wrong, they did, in fact, have weapons that could "mow down" many people, and it's ownership was not restricted.  It was/is called a cannon, and as long as it is front load, you can still own one.  Libs like to believe that the founding fathers were these anxious rubes, and they are so much more advanced than they were.  :rolleyes:
Welcome to the forum.   :smile:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Darth Fife on December 16, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 06:33:30 PM
I had a moment of clarity earlier, and I believe that our government controls everything. Poverty levels, gun trafficking, drugs, prison populations....................you name it. It's all a balancing act to keep them in charge and growing.

The implications are staggering. If I'm even close to the truth, it would also render all of these conversations moot. I think that there is a distinct possibility that we have already lost our freedom...................completely. We just don't know it yet.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

-H.L. Mencken
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:12:44 AM
QuoteI had a moment of clarity earlier, and I believe that our government controls everything. Poverty levels, gun trafficking, drugs, prison populations....................you name it. It's all a balancing act to keep them in charge and growing.

Sorry, but no. You had a moment of hysteria.  The government "controls" NOTHING.  They've lost control over the things they're trying to fix. They are inept, with too much power. Their fixes only make matters worse.  They don't know what they are doing. You give them too much credit.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 17, 2012, 03:57:20 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:12:44 AM
Sorry, but no. You had a moment of hysteria.  The government "controls" NOTHING.  They've lost control over the things they're trying to fix. They are inept, with too much power. Their fixes only make matters worse.  They don't know what they are doing. You give them too much credit.

Hysteria huh?

Lets review:

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on drugs...................and refuses to secure the border.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on poverty..................and actively encourages more people to get on welfare programs, rather than going to work.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on terrorism................and refuses to employ proven profiling techniques, and again, refuses to secure our border.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on education.........................and we are now graduating kids that can barely read at the 4th grade level.

We've got a government that imposes stricter and stricter gun laws on law abiding citizens.................and they were recently caught arming the Mexican drug cartels with US assault weapons, that could not be tracked.. All questions were stifled by executive privilege.

Is it crazy to think that the government is behind the flow of illegal guns into the cities, and into the hands of gangs and criminals?
Why? After all, our judicial and prison systems employ thousands and spend billions also. They require a flow of bad guys, to keep functioning and growing.

As these problems continue, the government's answer is always the same..................more programs, more laws, and more government. Are you sure I'm hysterical?
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: keyboarder on December 17, 2012, 04:53:15 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
I'm not listening to Obama, or any other news on this subject today. It all makes me sick.

Let me know if you happen to hear a psychologist point out that these horrible events seem to be increasing in lockstep with the liberal indoctrination of our young. I'll turn on the TV.

I'd love to be able to hear that too, Kramarat but in the last few years I have discovered that TV is about our 2nd worst enemy.  My set stays off until I get ready to watch a movie.  My "sheriff" listens to the weather and we get tidbits of the news until we switch it off.  I'd hate to try and tell you how many times you'd hear the words, "President Obama" if you watch TV too much.  I'll have to try to rely on this forum to get the news.  I do think that real conservatives admit that liberal indoctrination is at the root of the violence we are witnessing today.

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Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 17, 2012, 05:33:16 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on December 17, 2012, 04:53:15 AM
I'd love to be able to hear that too, Kramarat but in the last few years I have discovered that TV is about our 2nd worst enemy.  My set stays off until I get ready to watch a movie.  My "sheriff" listens to the weather and we get tidbits of the news until we switch it off.  I'd hate to try and tell you how many times you'd hear the words, "President Obama" if you watch TV too much.  I'll have to try to rely on this forum to get the news.  I do think that real conservatives admit that liberal indoctrination is at the root of the violence we are witnessing today.

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Not much TV around here either. I did just hear Obama in CT, on a local news snip. He's just about pissing himself with excitement, over the possibilities of new gun legislation.....................which will never stop insane people from doing insane things.

As horrible as it sounds, it could have been worse.
This shooter was only 20. If killing little kids was in his DNA, he could have layed low and spent the rest of his life snatching and killing them one at a time, and never been caught.

As usual, our misleader is misleading people into thinking that more gun laws will stop the victimization of children.

No guns involved here, and it's a problem that is global, including places with very strict gun control.

http://www.kidsfightingchance.com/stats.php (http://www.kidsfightingchance.com/stats.php)
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: The Stranger on December 17, 2012, 05:49:46 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 17, 2012, 03:57:20 AM
Hysteria huh?

Lets review:

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on drugs...................and refuses to secure the border.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on poverty..................and actively encourages more people to get on welfare programs, rather than going to work.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on the war on terrorism................and refuses to employ proven profiling techniques, and again, refuses to secure our border.

We've got a government that employs thousands and spends billions on education.........................and we are now graduating kids that can barely read at the 4th grade level.

We've got a government that imposes stricter and stricter gun laws on law abiding citizens.................and they were recently caught arming the Mexican drug cartels with US assault weapons, that could not be tracked.. All questions were stifled by executive privilege.

Is it crazy to think that the government is behind the flow of illegal guns into the cities, and into the hands of gangs and criminals?
Why? After all, our judicial and prison systems employ thousands and spend billions also. They require a flow of bad guys, to keep functioning and growing.

As these problems continue, the government's answer is always the same..................more programs, more laws, and more government. Are you sure I'm hysterical?

May I borrow you statement above?
Also I had this for years as my e-mail signature as far back as the Clinton years, time to dust it off I figure.

HCI = (Help Criminals Inc.)
Gun Free = Will not make up big signs for their members front doors that read "NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE"
Cease Fire =Organization that loves DEAD kids
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: covert on December 17, 2012, 06:05:36 AM
this will be an excuse to disarm we the people to allow a foreign invasion.


Removed URL link.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Darth Fife on December 17, 2012, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: covert on December 17, 2012, 06:05:36 AM
this will be an excuse to disarm we the people to allow a foreign invasion.
Removed URL link.

Linking to personal web forums is not allowed, and even if it were, you f**ked up the url!

:lol:
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: Solar on December 17, 2012, 06:38:32 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 17, 2012, 06:18:57 AM
Linking to personal web forums is not allowed, and even if it were, you f**ked up the url!

:lol:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I missed that, Walks on the spot, caught it first.

But to comment on what he said, we've already been invaded, just look at the Dim party as a whole.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: kramarat on December 17, 2012, 02:30:51 PM
Quote from: The Stranger on December 17, 2012, 05:49:46 AM
May I borrow you statement above?
Also I had this for years as my e-mail signature as far back as the Clinton years, time to dust it off I figure.

HCI = (Help Criminals Inc.)
Gun Free = Will not make up big signs for their members front doors that read "NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE"
Cease Fire =Organization that loves DEAD kids

Help yourself to anything I write.

People tend to forget, (or maybe don't know), that all of the bad things that the government says they are fighting, are necessary components in their expansion and power. Not so surprising that they fail at solving them. Without those things, government would have no justification for many of the things it does, and they would have to shrink and shut down programs. There's no incentive to fix them.
Title: Re: Hartford School Shooting
Post by: sn00ze on December 17, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
There is no one in charge! we now have the least qualified group of people to run a country, they're winging it and it's showing, they can't even tell a lie without a grin.  I'd sure hate to be in the foreign service and based in the Mideast, these azzholes would all sit around the monitor watching you get your azz shot off and think they were watching a soap.   :smile: