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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2013, 05:10:20 PM »
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 04:03:44 PM
I've seen many a communist / marxist go on and on about how a man's labor should be untaxable, and should be more of a commodity than ownership of a business.   Something about taxation and/or ownership equalling slavery.
Or ownership being an absolute evil.  And "living wage' being so much more important than hard work, risk, creativity, and evil multi-generational wealth.

Surely you don't mean all this.

Just so much discombobulated bull shit is all I can handle in a day.

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There's a fine line where the framers understood SOME federal / republic necessities, but wanted to keep them minimal.

They provided for such, as I recall. In fact, they not only believed it should be minimal, but should be constrained to specific areas they defined.

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And we actually DO need a tax system with representation for this.


Surely you do not mean a personal income tax. The Founders certainly did not believe an income tax was needed or they would have included one in the Constitution. Most argued against an income tax. Except for Lincoln's unconstitutional foray into an income tax, we managed for about 125 years without one.

I do believe you are especially at odds with Mr Jefferson, who also hated bankers with a passion, but who believed no measure of borrowing should ever be undertaken without levying a tax to at least pay the interest, and preferred levying a tax to also pay the principal. That, however, did not include an income tax.

BTW, for the record, I believe Thomas Jefferson to be the finest President we have ever had. Not the greatest, as I think no President can ever be great, but the finest.
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2013, 05:12:38 PM »
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 06, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Let's just say this thing does find support amongst the Democrats and they start pushing to bring it to a vote in the House.

All we need is a few weak kneed Republicans (God knows there are plenty of those!) who are afraid that if they oppose it they will be called "racist" and it passes the House.

If Republicans oppose it in the Senate, they will be tarred and feathered by the MSM as Racist Dinosaurs who a opposing a bill which has received bipartisan support in the House.

It may seem like a long shot now but, stranger things have happened!


How about this scenario.

In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.

Billy
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2013, 05:19:15 PM »
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 05:12:38 PM

How about this scenario.

In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.

Billy

Or, they could just declare the Constitution (and ALL of its amendments) null and void and go from there!

Easy Peasey!
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2013, 05:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
You must hate me. :lol:

I figure you can't be too arrogant or a lady of discerning taste, such as Toy, wouldn't put up with your barn yard ways. :lol:
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2013, 05:47:54 PM »
Sorry, I screwed up and didn't highlight this most liberal of viewpoints, and reply.....

While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.

Oh no.  Not the military service = "sucking at the govt teat" thingie.  Only libs say this.  Conservatives have always respected, if not revered, military service.  Oh, ya know, from George Washington through Ike and MacArthur.  Interrupted only by the hate-libs for Vietnam and beyond.

Sorry I missed it in the first response.
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2013, 05:54:16 PM »
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 05:10:20 PM
Just so much discombobulated bull shit is all I can handle in a day.

They provided for such, as I recall. In fact, they not only believed it should be minimal, but should be constrained to specific areas they defined.
 

Surely you do not mean a personal income tax. The Founders certainly did not believe an income tax was needed or they would have included one in the Constitution. Most argued against an income tax. Except for Lincoln's unconstitutional foray into an income tax, we managed for about 125 years without one.

I do believe you are especially at odds with Mr Jefferson, who also hated bankers with a passion, but who believed no measure of borrowing should ever be undertaken without levying a tax to at least pay the interest, and preferred levying a tax to also pay the principal. That, however, did not include an income tax.

BTW, for the record, I believe Thomas Jefferson to be the finest President we have ever had. Not the greatest, as I think no President can ever be great, but the finest.

And back to business....I'm not sure that pecking and poking and primping around with Jeffersonian theories really explains your pre-occupation with the Bushes.  Or dismissal of Reagan to go all the way back to Goldwater.  To blow off all good conservative values of Reagan and the Bushes.....speaks of a strange self-preoccupied problem.  Typical of liberals, but since I don't really know you, I'll leave it at that.

And I love Jefferson as well.    Great man, great pres, great theorist.
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2013, 05:55:05 PM »
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 05:12:38 PM

How about this scenario.

In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.

Billy


If that happened, I'd expect OUR military to do the right thing and follow the good example of Honduras in 2009.  The left HATES what they did. I told my friend from Honduras, "Today, I am a Honduran." He agreed and was proud of his military.  The American Left doesn't see it that way.
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2013, 06:02:13 PM »
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:
Totally agree.  Folks like the classic RINO's, Rove, Boehner, McConnell, Christie, are trying to play all sides of the tea party, shocked Obama realizers, and classic GOP.  They're lying of course, but that's politics.  They are not for change, solutions, or conservatism.  They are for keeping themselves in power, in higher office.
 
Only the voters can stop and change it.  Good luck wit dat.
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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2013, 07:53:23 PM »
Quote from: Yawn on January 06, 2013, 05:55:05 PM
If that happened, I'd expect OUR military to do the right thing and follow the good example of Honduras in 2009.  The left HATES what they did. I told my friend from Honduras, "Today, I am a Honduran." He agreed and was proud of his military.  The American Left doesn't see it that way.


Add Honduras to the lesson of History rearding coups/overthrows/rebellions etc

None of which succeed unless you have the support of the Military and the Police.

That is why it is so important for the Obamaonistas to CHANGE THE CULTURE of the military/law enforcement by putting in more gays, non American born MINORITY members and others of the disenfranchised.

Such persons are not the traditional conservatives and would have more of an axe to grind with the rest of us.

Billy

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Re: H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2013, 07:38:33 AM »
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
I figure you can't be too arrogant or a lady of discerning taste, such as Toy, wouldn't put up with your barn yard ways. :lol:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Actually it's one of the qualities that she finds endearing. What Libs call an arrogant attitude, is actually based in a set of core values of which I'm inflexible, so many see this unbending opinion and unwavering love of Country as arrogant, when in truth it is my way of holding our Country's place and refusing to accept liberalism/Marxism.
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