H.J. RES 15...Obama for life.

Started by Bronx, January 06, 2013, 07:50:41 AM

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AndyJackson

And yeah, I totally get the old "I'm important around here and you're new / not".

I've screwed around on many a web site / board.   Always that cute little dynamic.

Doesn't make anybody right, or anybody wrong.  Only sullies your message.

We may both be conservatives.  Don't let it get lost in the bluster.

AndyJackson

Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
Get him AJ!!!!!!
lol, nothing like a devoted schyte-stirrer  !!

Are you still trying to get him/her back for when he/she was acting like a socialist  ?

Must admit, I'm not sure about the "no-taxes / no IRS" thing.  We gotta have a military, state-to-state roads and commerce and law enforcement.

Unless it's the hard core libertarian POV where we all gunno-up and fare for ourselves.  I'm not entirely against that, lol.  My sons will take over the armory when I'm too feeble, haha.

taxed

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Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
lol, nothing like a devoted schyte-stirrer  !!

Are you still trying to get him/her back for when he/she was acting like a socialist  ?
Ha, no.  Shooter is a good man, a strong poster, and defends the Constitution like few do.  If the politician isn't Ron Paul, then Shooter thinks they're libs.

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Must admit, I'm not sure about the "no-taxes / no IRS" thing.  We gotta have a military, state-to-state roads and commerce and law enforcement.
Yeah -- I'm a big FairTax proponent.

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Unless it's the hard core libertarian POV where we all gunno-up and fare for ourselves.  I'm not entirely against that, lol.  My sons will take over the armory when I'm too feeble, haha.
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BILLY Defiant

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.

I gave the Air Force 22 years.  Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime.  So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size.  I got to salute Reagan in uniform.  Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time.  Who's your guy ?  Goldwater  ?  US Grant  ?

2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum".  Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib.  Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.

Bush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies.  They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters.  Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.

There is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama.  That's why I'm giving you a hard time.  Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess).  To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach.  Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.

Impessive resume.....

however, as a realist, like most conservatives are,  I tend to look at the at the REALITY of the situation.

If we didn't have BUSH we would have had Al (Jazeera) Gore, as many Fkd up things as Bush did, Looney Tunes Gore would have been far worse.

Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

AndyJackson

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Say fokking what? What have you been smoking? I have always said taxing a man's wealth and/or labor is immoral.
I've seen many a communist / marxist go on and on about how a man's labor should be untaxable, and should be more of a commodity than ownership of a business.   Something about taxation and/or ownership equalling slavery.
Or ownership being an absolute evil.  And "living wage' being so much more important than hard work, risk, creativity, and evil multi-generational wealth.

Surely you don't mean all this.

There's a fine line where the framers understood SOME federal / republic necessities, but wanted to keep them minimal.  And we actually DO need a tax system with representation for this.

Shooterman

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Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.

You wasn't too far removed from your Momma's teat in '64 when I voted for Goldwater, who was my man for a long while. Things have come to light recently that has created some doubt about Barry, but without a doubt, he was better that Ike, Truman, JFK, or LBJ.

QuoteI gave the Air Force 22 years.  Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime.  So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size.

Again, you seem to have a problem with the written word. I said nothing about YOUR IQ but about anyone that could not see what Bush's beloved bull shit DHS, TSA, and Patriot Act would do in even more wrong hands than Bush's.

While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.

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  I got to salute Reagan in uniform.  Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time.

Good Googly Mooglies- obscure or ANCIENT variant of conservatism? Good Lord in Heaven, please tell me I did not just read the Constitution is obscure or ancient. Fokk! We may as well give it all away with thinking like that. You would have hated Bob Taft, Mr Republican and/or Mr Conservative. Criminy!

QuoteWho's your guy ? Goldwater?

As stated, I voted for Barry G.

QuoteUS Grant  ?

Grant was a criminal, as was his boss.

Quote2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum".  Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib.  Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.

The last I checked I wasn't here to make nice with Neo-Cons an/or RINOS.

QuoteBush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies. They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters.  Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.

I guess you do not remember Bush One campaigning against Reagan with a Pro-Choice plank, eh? Or Bush Two campaigning against nation building. He campaigned as a conservative, then governed as a liberal.

QuoteThere is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama.  That's why I'm giving you a hard time.  Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess).  To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach.  Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.

I presume, and you can set me straight, that you believe Mr Bush's DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Drug Prescription Plan, unholy deficits and debt, preemptive wars, and expansion of government is the natural function of a conservative.

To set the record straight, you can call me a liberal or denigrate me every fokking day of the week and as this is a tactic of liberals, I really don't care. You can call me a Classic Liberal and I will wear the mantra proudly.

Other than that, I really do not care what you think of me, or if you don't think of me. It is of little importance. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.

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kramarat

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.

I gave the Air Force 22 years.  Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime.  So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size.  I got to salute Reagan in uniform.  Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time.  Who's your guy ?  Goldwater  ?  US Grant  ?

2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum".  Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib.  Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.

Bush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies.  They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters.  Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.

There is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama.  That's why I'm giving you a hard time.  Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess).  To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach.  Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.

This incessant need, (by the republicans), to be liked, as opposed to explaining that our country is going away, and it must be stopped, is killing them.

Democrats lie, cheat, steal, etc., and they are loved by the useful idiots.

I wish I had the answers. Obama is a brilliant politician. Not only does he not encumber himself with the constitution, he also has no morals standing in his way. Being nice ain't gonna cut it. They need to be honest.....................

That's the part that has me scared. Very few of them are exhibiting a genuine love for this country, putting their careers in jeopardy, and saying, (very loudly), the things that need to be said.

Yawn

You are right about that one thing. People going into either House of Congress should go in with the intention of being willing to lose that job for speaking the hard truths. If they're not willing to do that, they don't belong there in the first place (which, btw eliminates all Demonrats).

AndyJackson

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:01:49 PM
Impessive resume.....

however, as a realist, like most conservatives are,  I tend to look at the at the REALITY of the situation.

If we didn't have BUSH we would have had Al (Jazeera) Gore, as many Fkd up things as Bush did, Looney Tunes Gore would have been far worse.

Billy
It's funny, this "resume" thing always come up when I counter the "you must be young and retarded to disagree with me".  I don't relish saying stuff about myself, but what do you do when somebody's whole point revolves around a pretend caricature of yourself ?  Besides, at every stop I've had buddies who made me look puny.  O-5 is zip when your pals made the O-6 club that was fighting it out for O-7 (one star).  Ditto all else.

It's happened to me on other boards.  Jokers opine that "you are dum and young and stewpid" and I say "no, for these reasons".  And it goes downhill from there.

But back on topic.  Obama, and to a less shocking extent the Clintons and Gore....actual traitors.

There is no effing way to compare them with any Bush.  The Bushes were military men, served as governers, CIA, legit businessmen, etc.

Obama is a community organizer, pretend state senator, pretend US senator (a few months), and fully anti-US racial / reparations prez.

Gore is the son of one of America's great racists, a purveyor of one of America's great hoaxes (AGW / ACC, from whice he's apparently profited by 8 figures), and a seller of a media outlet to America's enemies.

The Clintons have sullied every last American tradition and standard, and served nothing but their own selfish ends and promotion.  NTM filth in the Oval Office and incredible Anti-US theatre, post-Benghazi.

And it's the Bushes vs. these guys.  A big WTF for that.....

BILLY Defiant

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 04:26:19 PM
It's funny, this "resume" thing always come up when I counter the "you must be young and retarded to disagree with me".  I don't relish saying stuff about myself, but what do you do when somebody's whole point revolves around a pretend caricature of yourself ?  Besides, at every stop I've had buddies who made me look puny.  O-5 is zip when your pals made the O-6 club that was fighting it out for O-7 (one star).  Ditto all else.

It's happened to me on other boards.  Jokers opine that "you are dum and young and stewpid" and I say "no, for these reasons".  And it goes downhill from there.

But back on topic.  Obama, and to a less shocking extent the Clintons and Gore....actual traitors.

There is no effing way to compare them with any Bush.  The Bushes were military men, served as governers, CIA, legit businessmen, etc.

Obama is a community organizer, pretend state senator, pretend US senator (a few months), and fully anti-US racial / reparations prez.

Gore is the son of one of America's great racists, a purveyor of one of America's great hoaxes (AGW / ACC, from whice he's apparently profited by 8 figures), and a seller of a media outlet to America's enemies.

The Clintons have sullied every last American tradition and standard, and served nothing but their own selfish ends and promotion.  NTM filth in the Oval Office and incredible Anti-US theatre, post-Benghazi.

And it's the Bushes vs. these guys.  A big WTF for that.....

A think a person should qualify their opinion with their life experience...to me that means a lot, it does in a court of law where I have testified as an expert many times....but I digress.

Bush had his faults, I voted for his Father, and later regretted it (no new taxes) Thats why I voted for Ross Perot....that got us Clinton.

I did not vote for Bush the younger....because of my idiotic moral code against a dynasty or some nonsense...so I didn't vote at all....that ALMOST got us Al Gorezeera.

Bush and this Marxist menace are nothing alike. For one thing their cultural backgrounds are totally different and a persons background and upbringing have a direct impact on their performance in life.

Billy

Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

kramarat

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
A think a person should qualify their opinion with their life experience...to me that means a lot, it does in a court of law where I have testified as an expert many times....but I digress.

Bush had his faults, I voted for his Father, and later regretted it (no new taxes) Thats why I voted for Ross Perot....that got us Clinton.

I did not vote for Bush the younger....because of my idiotic moral code against a dynasty or some nonsense...so I didn't vote at all....that ALMOST got us Al Gorezeera.

Bush and this Marxist menace are nothing alike. For one thing their cultural backgrounds are totally different and a persons background and upbringing have a direct impact on their performance in life.

Billy

I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:

Solar

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 04:12:28 PM
. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.

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BILLY Defiant

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:

So am I...but at the end of the day that is what it comes down to.

Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

AndyJackson

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 04:12:28 PM
You wasn't too far removed from your Momma's teat in '64 when I voted for Goldwater, who was my man for a long while. Things have come to light recently that has created some doubt about Barry, but without a doubt, he was better that Ike, Truman, JFK, or LBJ.
Man, I love these disjointed onerous never-ending diatribes.  Yes, apparently you are 95 if you are still fighting Ike, Truman, JFK, and LBJ.   They all died several decades ago.  Besides JFK.....damn old.  Actually, JFK was pretty good with taxes and "ask not".  And Ike not bad, with his mil-ind complex warnings.

Again, you seem to have a problem with the written word. I said nothing about YOUR IQ but about anyone that could not see what Bush's beloved bull shit DHS, TSA, and Patriot Act would do in even more wrong hands than Bush's.

You said "anybody", and now say "not you".   NOT impressive.  And.....what is "beloved bull shit" but a lib dog whistle / buzzword / catchphrase ?  The  3 things you demonize will always be above our pay grade / knowledge.  But don't admit it, or anything.

While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.

Oh no.  Not the military service = "sucking at the govt teat" thingie.  Only libs say this.  Conservatives have always respected, if not revered, military service.  Oh, ya know, from George Washington through Ike and MacArthur.  Interrupted only by the hate-libs for Vietnam and beyond.

Good Googly Mooglies- obscure or ANCIENT variant of conservatism? Good Lord in Heaven, please tell me I did not just read the Constitution is obscure or ancient. Fokk! We may as well give it all away with thinking like that. You would have hated Bob Taft, Mr Republican and/or Mr Conservative. Criminy!

As stated, I voted for Barry G.

Grant was a criminal, as was his boss.

The last I checked I wasn't here to make nice with Neo-Cons an/or RINOS.

I guess you do not remember Bush One campaigning against Reagan with a Pro-Choice plank, eh? Or Bush Two campaigning against nation building. He campaigned as a conservative, then governed as a liberal.

I presume, and you can set me straight, that you believe Mr Bush's DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Drug Prescription Plan, unholy deficits and debt, preemptive wars, and expansion of government is the natural function of a conservative.

To set the record straight, you can call me a liberal or denigrate me every fokking day of the week and as this is a tactic of liberals, I really don't care. You can call me a Classic Liberal and I will wear the mantra proudly.

Other than that, I really do not care what you think of me, or if you don't think of me. It is of little importance. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.

Not (and probably never) knowing you, I think little OF you.  I only know, and comment, on what you write.  Robert Taft....are you really THAT old ?  Holy crap.  Grant and his boss (Lincoln ?) criminals ?  "Unholy" deficits and debts Vs. Obama ???  Expansion of govt vs Clinton & Obama ???  You'll have to excuse me.  I don't really know what to make of YOU.  Only your words, which are bizarre to say the the least.

--edited by taxed -- fixed broken quoting

Maybe we're just off kilter.  Maybe we're both good patriots and generally conservative.  But.....what you're posting here is too strange to divine all of that.

Darth Fife

Let's just say this thing does find support amongst the Democrats and they start pushing to bring it to a vote in the House.

All we need is a few weak kneed Republicans (God knows there are plenty of those!) who are afraid that if they oppose it they will be called "racist" and it passes the House.

If Republicans oppose it in the Senate, they will be tarred and feathered by the MSM as Racist Dinosaurs who a opposing a bill which has received bipartisan support in the House.

It may seem like a long shot now but, stranger things have happened!