Will we be stuck with Obama and his tit suckers for life...? Say it isn't so Joe.
H.J.Res.15 - Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-joint-resolution/15 (http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-joint-resolution/15)
It won't see the light of day, it's the first Bill he's ever pushed on his ow=n, in the past he has signed onto other legislation, but never done anything on his own.
In other words, he's a loser, and being a loser among losers, says a lot about a person. :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 08:16:43 AM
It won't see the light of day, it's the first Bill he's ever pushed on his ow=n, in the past he has signed onto other legislation, but never done anything on his own.
In other words, he's a loser, and being a loser among losers, says a lot about a person. :laugh:
I agree with Solar. It is going into a "black hole" in the House for at least the next two years. Thereafter, even if the Congress may approve it, the states must approve by a 2/3 majority. Folks, that just ain't going to happen.
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me, why the Obama campaign machine is still up, running, and taking in donations.
He spent 4 solid years on the campaign trail, and there are no signs of him stopping the endless campaigning. Why?
http://www.barackobama.com/ (http://www.barackobama.com/)
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 08:47:24 AM
I agree with Solar. It is going into a "black hole" in the House for at least the next two years. Thereafter, even if the Congress may approve it, the states must approve by a 2/3 majority. Folks, that just ain't going to happen.
Sounds more like some greenhorn lib brown nosing Husein. :laugh:
Quote from: Bronx on January 06, 2013, 07:50:41 AM
Will we be stuck with Obama and his tit suckers for life...? Say it isn't so Joe.
H.J.Res.15 - Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-joint-resolution/15 (http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-joint-resolution/15)
When the Twenty-Second Amendment was proposed and ratified, Truman, the then sitting President was grandfathered. IOW, it did not apply to him. I have to presume the same would hold true for Oclueless.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 09:27:46 AM
When the Twenty-Second Amendment was proposed and ratified, Truman, the then sitting President was grandfathered. IOW, it did not apply to him. I have to presume the same would hold true for Oclueless.
Is there a limit to what can be done by executive order?
If there is, will anybody enforce it?
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Is there a limit to what can be done by executive order?
If there is, will anybody enforce it?
Yes and no.
Husein crossed it many times and the spineless RINO looked the other way.
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
Yes and no.
Husein crossed it many times and the spineless RINO looked the other way.
They literally got away with murder on the fast and furious mess.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we might be seeing some unimaginable sh*t coming in the next 4 years.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
They literally got away with murder on the fast and furious mess.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we might be seeing some unimaginable sh*t coming in the next 4 years.
I hate to agree with you, but I do. Obama has proven he does not care about the Constitution. He has already done much by EO. In my view he will continue to push the envelope as far as Congress will allow him.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
They literally got away with murder on the fast and furious mess.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we might be seeing some unimaginable sh*t coming in the next 4 years.
I can see it now. Fast forward 3 years and Oblamer has a press conference saying the economy is still in the tank and because of George Bush I need 4 more years to move us further forward. The MSM would bow and kiss his feet.
A week later an executive order will be forth coming.
Seriously what would the cons do nothing but say oh really like they have been doing. He will have polls showing him ahead of any republican and he would just run and do as he wishes.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Is there a limit to what can be done by executive order?
If there is, will anybody enforce it?
I believe the entire concept of Executive Orders to be unconstitutional, but unfortunately, so many Presidents have used it, that point is moot.
In my opinion, the only tools and/or fools that can enforce the no EO edict is the Congress, but those pussies can not enforce much of anything.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
They literally got away with murder on the fast and furious mess.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we might be seeing some unimaginable sh*t coming in the next 4 years.
I do not believe you are wrong. The brown matter is about to contact the twirly blades and everyone is going to get a little (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg62%2F4573%2Fpoopxh.jpg&hash=b702b9d19bdc66671abbe45c52997188e71d5220) on them.
My father is in his early sixties, a veteran of Vietnam, he told me last fall that he is sure he will see a revolution in his lifetime. I tend to agree with him.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 10:45:13 AM
I do not believe you are wrong. The brown matter is about to contact the twirly blades and everyone is going to get a little (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg62%2F4573%2Fpoopxh.jpg&hash=b702b9d19bdc66671abbe45c52997188e71d5220) on them.
One of things that I practically
beg my lib friends to do.........................is to look at what Obama is doing, and just pretend it was Bush. I get blank stares. I swear; it's like the dems have put something in the freaking water. :scared:
Quote from: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 10:53:24 AM
My father is in his early sixties, a veteran of Vietnam, he told me last fall that he is sure he will see a revolution in his lifetime. I tend to agree with him.
My Dear Lady, I am on the downhill side of my seventies, and I believe I'll see a revolution in my lifetime. Both abysses loom closer everyday.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
One of things that I practically beg my lib friends to do.........................is to look at what Obama is doing, and just pretend it was Bush. I get blank stares. I swear; it's like the dems have put something in the freaking water. :scared:
I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.
None of this is new. Same shit, just more of it.
But, whoo doggy, don't you feel safer?
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 10:59:51 AM
My Dear Lady, I am on the downhill side of my seventies, and I believe I'll see a revolution in my lifetime. Both abysses loom closer everyday.
Um...................we are witnessing a revolution. Now it's a question of how we defend ourselves.
I'll just let HIM remind you:
Obama: "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" Long Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4#)
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 11:04:53 AM
I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.
None of this is new. Same shit, just more of it.
But, whoo doggy, don't you feel safer?
I can't believe you're serious. Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.
Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.
And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers, the illiterate, homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.
We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies. Without a peep. What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?
We've never seen anything like this. Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.
Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
I can't believe you're serious. Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.
Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.
And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers, the illiterate, homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.
We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies. Without a peep. What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?
We've never seen anything like this. Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.
Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.
Believe I am serious! Stick your head in the sand about DHS, Patriot Act, preemptive wars, making the world safe for democracy, expansion of government and debt, all you wish. Machs nicht!
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
I can't believe you're serious. Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.
Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.
And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers, the illiterate, homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.
We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies. Without a peep. What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?
We've never seen anything like this. Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.
Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.
I'm gonna interject here.
Nobody can lay the blame on Bush, entirely.
It's taken decades of bipartison government creep, to unroll the red carpet for a man like Obama to take center stage.
Obama is the culmination of our collective, (and ongoing), stupidity.
It never should have reached this point......................but it did.
Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.
1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).
There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 11:45:38 AM
Believe I am serious! Stick your head in the sand about DHS, Patriot Act, preemptive wars, making the world safe for democracy, expansion of government and debt, all you wish. Machs nicht!
You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative. The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".
There's a lot of them around. A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.
But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the unimagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.
You protesteth Bush a little too much.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.
1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).
There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.
Would you be surprised?
Obama does not seem to be hindered by the silly constitution. Apparently, the majority is okay with it.
I'm not arguing with you. I have to damn near pinch myself almost daily, just to make sure I'm not having a horrible nightmare.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.
1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).
There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.
This was our rather sad and self-defeating take on Obamacare, the subsequent SC decision on it, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, White House Leaks, and Hillary's disappearing act.
To assume that getting something done legally and ethically is impossible for Obama / Holder / Reid / Pelosi....is a dangerous game. They will simply turn to other means, and laugh when they get away with it.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative. The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".
There's a lot of them around. A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.
But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the uminagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.
You protesteth Bush a little too much.
Nah. That's not Shooter.
I think he's merely pointing out, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I certainly don't think it was intentional, but Bush laid a lot of the groundwork to make a narcissistic freak like Obama, be able to take the reins of power..................and abuse the hell out of it.
They also have a habit of getting some shmuck to float these things, get the initial grumbling out of the way, and slowly cultivate the lib-horde / MSM support of it, before they strike.
Remember how Obama was a devout Christian totally against redefining marriage, supported by Biden's Catholic self.....then one day, magically Biden was a big gay marriage guy, and Obama mysteriously showed up as the same after the grumbling had subsided ?
I knew this was coming.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
They also have a habit of getting some shmuck to float these things, get the initial grumbling out of the way, and slowly cultivate the lib-horde / MSM support of it, before they strike.
Remember how Obama was a devout Christian totally against redefining marriage, supported by Biden's Catholic self.....then one day, magically Biden was a big gay marriage guy, and Obama mysteriously showed up as the same after the grumbling had subsided ?
They will say and do
anything to win. If they tell the truth, it's only because it is convenient at the moment.
Clinton veered to the center to protect his career; it had nothing to do with anything else.
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130102001-obamabot-third.html (http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130102001-obamabot-third.html)
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:12:27 PM
Nah. That's not Shooter.
I think he's merely pointing out, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I certainly don't think it was intentional, but Bush laid a lot of the groundwork to make a narcissistic freak like Obama, be able to take the reins of power..................and abuse the hell out of it.
You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.
Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.
You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush. It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.
But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America. While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion. Unprecedented. Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:25:56 PM
You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.
Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.
You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush. It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.
But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America. While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion. Unprecedented. Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.
Shooter does this more out of glee.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative. The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".
There's a lot of them around. A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.
But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the unimagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.
You protesteth Bush a little too much.
In the immortal words of our own infamous Queen of Mean, Miss Jasmine, kindly 'BITE ME'. Boy, I was probably voting conservative when you were still crapping yellow if you had even gotten beyond being a gleam in your Pappy's eye. I am not a Reagan Conservative, but a protege of Old Right Conservative Libertarian beliefs that was the force that drove conservative PUB politics, before the Neo-Cons eventually kicked them under the bus.
You on the other hand seem to read what you want to read, as my original statement was prefixed with
"I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.' Please note that I said Obama is
USING EXCESSIVELY what Bush and his sniveling PUBS , put into place.
Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size, should have known and should have seen, as inexcusable as Bush was with his shit, someone coming down the pike would be worse, and use it to fokk over America to a fair thee well. That is exactly what Obamasan has done.
I will simply say this; when you come after my
conservative constitutional credentials, damned well be ready to get both barrels back.
If you want to play at being an irate conservative, do it on your time and not mine.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:25:56 PM
You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.
Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.
You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush. It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.
But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America. While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion. Unprecedented. Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.
There is no comparison at all. We just reelected a president that doesn't like anything about this country. That is not Bush.
We have gradually slipped away from strictly adhering to the US constitution. I hope it doesn't become our undoing.
When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.
Obama abuses everything he touches. The Patriot Act, (in particular), has allowed Obama to thwart the constitution more than anything. Bush helped make that possible. Nobody saw Obama coming.
We never should have deviated from the constitution. With the help of the Patriot Act, and through Obama, we have handed the terrorists a win. A big one.
Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 12:50:40 PM
Shooter does this more out of glee.
.........................and your horse, too, Taxed.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
In the immortal words of our own infamous Queen of Mean, Miss Jasmine, kindly 'BITE ME'. Boy, I was probably voting conservative when you were still crapping yellow if you had even gotten beyond being a gleam in your Pappy's eye. I am not a Reagan Conservative, but a protege of Old Right Conservative Libertarian beliefs that was the force that drove conservative PUB politics, before the Neo-Cons eventually kicked them under the bus.
You on the other hand seem to read what you want to read, as my original statement was prefixed with "I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.' Please note that I said Obama is USING EXCESSIVELY what Bush and his sniveling PUBS , put into place.
Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size, should have known and should have seen, as inexcusable as Bush was with his shit, someone coming down the pike would be worse, and use it to fokk over America to a fair thee well. That is exactly what Obamasan has done.
I will simply say this; when you come after my conservative constitutional credentials, damned well be ready to get both barrels back.
If you want to play at being an irate conservative, do it on your time and not mine.
I said it nicer. :ttoung:
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
I said it nicer. :ttoung:
Yeah, but you still try every now and then to be a nice guy. :lol:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 01:07:00 PM
Yeah, but you still try every now and then to be a nice guy. :lol:
I'm slowly getting over it. :wink:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 12:56:26 PM
.........................and your horse, too, Taxed.
Hey, I'm the one against income taxes -- remember??
(I love hitting you big-IRS types with that)
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:54:10 PM
There is no comparison at all. We just reelected a president that doesn't like anything about this country. That is not Bush.
We have gradually slipped away from strictly adhering to the US constitution. I hope it doesn't become our undoing.
When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.
Obama abuses everything he touches. The Patriot Act, (in particular), has allowed Obama to thwart the constitution more than anything. Bush helped make that possible. Nobody saw Obama coming.
We never should have deviated from the constitution. With the help of the Patriot Act, and through Obama, we have handed the terrorists a win. A big one.
Generally speaking I think Bush did a good job, espccially with what our country faced after 9/11. He is ceratinly not anything like Obama. My problem with Bush is he allowed Congress to run out of control with its spending. He could have vetoed many of those spending bills and it was not just the dems. On hindsight I think he fell into the same "guns & butter" trap that did in LBJ. It is like his letting the congress spend they would approve his defense needs and they did. Just more bills to attach the "pork".
Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 01:18:58 PM
Hey, I'm the one against income taxes -- remember??
(I love hitting you big-IRS types with that)
Who is a big IRS type?
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
I'm slowly getting over it. :wink:
I can see the change. :biggrin:
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:54:10 PM
When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.
I'm glad SOME see it. Despite what the Libs/Libertarians say, they can't list ANY abuses under Bush. Not true with Obama. Like all things, including guns, a "tool" is either good, or evil, depending on who's using it. For this reason, I don't hold Bush responsible for making Obama's abuses possible, I hold the Voter responsible for putting this guy in office TWICE!
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
Generally speaking I think Bush did a good job, espccially with what our country faced after 9/11. He is ceratinly not anything like Obama. My problem with Bush is he allowed Congress to run out of control with its spending. He could have vetoed many of those spending bills and it was not just the dems. On hindsight I think he fell into the same "guns & butter" trap that did in LBJ. It is like his letting the congress spend they would approve his defense needs and they did. Just more bills to attach the "pork".
Bush should have made a hard conservative turn in his second term...........at least fiscally.
He also set the table for Obama's spending spree.
H.J.Res.15. officially titled "The Robert Mugabe Bill"....
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
Bush should have made a hard conservative turn in his second term...........at least fiscally.
He also set the table for Obama's spending spree.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 01:23:01 PM
Who is a big IRS type?
Remember when you said someone keeping more of their earnings was a government subsidy?
Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 02:02:18 PM
Remember when you said someone keeping more of their earnings was a government subsidy?
Say fokking what? What have you been smoking? I have always said taxing a man's wealth and/or labor is immoral.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
Bush should have made a hard conservative turn in his second term...........at least fiscally.
He also set the table for Obama's spending spree.
Bush was basically a liberal. He ran as a conservative ( compassionate, whatever the fokk that is ) but at heart he, as well, as his Old Man were basically liberals. Oh, liberal PUBS like to be called Moderates, but No Child Left Behind, The Drug Prescription Plan, unfettered deficits and debt, and that ever loving crap known as Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and the Patriot Act, make the booger a damned liberal, along with his preemptive wars and remaking the world in our image whether the world wants to be remade into our image or not. Let's not forget TARP- how did that shit work out
I voted for the booger 4 times- the alternatives sucked big time. I should have voted for Clem Kadiddlehopper.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
Bush was basically a liberal. He ran as a conservative ( compassionate, whatever the fokk that is ) but at heart he, as well, as his Old Man were basically liberals. Oh, liberal PUBS like to be called Moderates, but No Child Left Behind, The Drug Prescription Plan, unfettered deficits and debt, and that ever loving crap known as Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and the Patriot Act, make the booger a damned liberal, along with his preemptive wars and remaking the world in our image whether the world wants to be remade into our image or not. Let's not forget TARP- how did that shit work out
I voted for the booger 4 times- the alternatives sucked big time. I should have voted for Clem Kadiddlehopper.
You forgot the auto bailout that Obama took credit for.
Thanks for the memories. :sad:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Say fokking what? What have you been smoking? I have always said taxing a man's wealth and/or labor is immoral.
Oh wow. It was in the context of a business paying taxes, if I remember correctly.
Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
Oh wow. It was in the context of a business paying taxes, if I remember correctly.
I believe you have me confused with someone else, Taxed. First I hate all income taxes. I doubly hate the IRS, believe it should be abolished and all the employees sent to funny farms.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 02:36:05 PM
You forgot the auto bailout that Obama took credit for.
Thanks for the memories. :sad:
I believe, Kram, that was Obamanation's fokk up.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:45:00 PM
I believe, Kram, that was Obamanation's fokk up.
Unfortunately, Bush got the ball rolling. Obama seized the opportunity to pay off his union buds.
http://consumerist.com/2008/12/19/bush-approves-auto-industry-bailout/ (http://consumerist.com/2008/12/19/bush-approves-auto-industry-bailout/)
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
I believe you have me confused with someone else, Taxed. First I hate all income taxes. I doubly hate the IRS, believe it should be abolished and all the employees sent to funny farms.
Remember our conversations when I was teasing you that you were sounding like a socialist? It was a few years ago on LNF... it was that conversation.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 02:47:18 PM
Unfortunately, Bush got the ball rolling. Obama seized the opportunity to pay off his union buds.
http://consumerist.com/2008/12/19/bush-approves-auto-industry-bailout/ (http://consumerist.com/2008/12/19/bush-approves-auto-industry-bailout/)
You're right- so he did. Another strike against the bustard.
Catch this crap;
QuoteMr. Bush, in a televised speech before the opening of the markets, said that under other circumstances he would have let the companies fail, a consequence of their bad business decisions. But given the recession, he said the government had no choice but to step in.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
Quote from: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 10:53:24 AM
My father is in his early sixties, a veteran of Vietnam, he told me last fall that he is sure he will see a revolution in his lifetime. I tend to agree with him.
I agree with him....it will start over guns.
Billy
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
Bush was basically a liberal. He ran as a conservative ( compassionate, whatever the fokk that is ) but at heart he, as well, as his Old Man were basically liberals. Oh, liberal PUBS like to be called Moderates, but No Child Left Behind, The Drug Prescription Plan, unfettered deficits and debt, and that ever loving crap known as Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and the Patriot Act, make the booger a damned liberal, along with his preemptive wars and remaking the world in our image whether the world wants to be remade into our image or not. Let's not forget TARP- how did that shit work out
I voted for the booger 4 times- the alternatives sucked big time. I should have voted for Clem Kadiddlehopper.
At least Clem loved America.
Thank you, and may God Bless. good night all,,,
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
In the immortal words of our own infamous Queen of Mean, Miss Jasmine, kindly 'BITE ME'. Boy, I was probably voting conservative when you were still crapping yellow if you had even gotten beyond being a gleam in your Pappy's eye. I am not a Reagan Conservative, but a protege of Old Right Conservative Libertarian beliefs that was the force that drove conservative PUB politics, before the Neo-Cons eventually kicked them under the bus.
You on the other hand seem to read what you want to read, as my original statement was prefixed with "I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.' Please note that I said Obama is USING EXCESSIVELY what Bush and his sniveling PUBS , put into place.
Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size, should have known and should have seen, as inexcusable as Bush was with his shit, someone coming down the pike would be worse, and use it to fokk over America to a fair thee well. That is exactly what Obamasan has done.
I will simply say this; when you come after my conservative constitutional credentials, damned well be ready to get both barrels back.
If you want to play at being an irate conservative, do it on your time and not mine.
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.
I gave the Air Force 22 years. Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime. So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size. I got to salute Reagan in uniform. Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time. Who's your guy ? Goldwater ? US Grant ?
2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum". Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib. Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.
Bush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies. They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters. Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.
There is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama. That's why I'm giving you a hard time. Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess). To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach. Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.
Get him AJ!!!!!!
And yeah, I totally get the old "I'm important around here and you're new / not".
I've screwed around on many a web site / board. Always that cute little dynamic.
Doesn't make anybody right, or anybody wrong. Only sullies your message.
We may both be conservatives. Don't let it get lost in the bluster.
Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
Get him AJ!!!!!!
lol, nothing like a devoted schyte-stirrer !!
Are you still trying to get him/her back for when he/she was acting like a socialist ?
Must admit, I'm not sure about the "no-taxes / no IRS" thing. We gotta have a military, state-to-state roads and commerce and law enforcement.
Unless it's the hard core libertarian POV where we all gunno-up and fare for ourselves. I'm not entirely against that, lol. My sons will take over the armory when I'm too feeble, haha.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
lol, nothing like a devoted schyte-stirrer !!
Are you still trying to get him/her back for when he/she was acting like a socialist ?
Ha, no. Shooter is a good man, a strong poster, and defends the Constitution like few do. If the politician isn't Ron Paul, then Shooter thinks they're libs.
Quote
Must admit, I'm not sure about the "no-taxes / no IRS" thing. We gotta have a military, state-to-state roads and commerce and law enforcement.
Yeah -- I'm a big FairTax proponent.
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Unless it's the hard core libertarian POV where we all gunno-up and fare for ourselves. I'm not entirely against that, lol. My sons will take over the armory when I'm too feeble, haha.
hahaha
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.
I gave the Air Force 22 years. Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime. So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size. I got to salute Reagan in uniform. Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time. Who's your guy ? Goldwater ? US Grant ?
2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum". Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib. Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.
Bush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies. They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters. Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.
There is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama. That's why I'm giving you a hard time. Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess). To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach. Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.
Impessive resume.....
however, as a realist, like most conservatives are, I tend to look at the at the REALITY of the situation.
If we didn't have BUSH we would have had Al (Jazeera) Gore, as many Fkd up things as Bush did, Looney Tunes Gore would have been far worse.
Billy
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Say fokking what? What have you been smoking? I have always said taxing a man's wealth and/or labor is immoral.
I've seen many a communist / marxist go on and on about how a man's labor should be untaxable, and should be more of a commodity than ownership of a business. Something about taxation and/or ownership equalling slavery.
Or ownership being an absolute evil. And "living wage' being so much more important than hard work, risk, creativity, and evil multi-generational wealth.
Surely you don't mean all this.
There's a fine line where the framers understood SOME federal / republic necessities, but wanted to keep them minimal. And we actually DO need a tax system with representation for this.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.
You wasn't too far removed from your Momma's teat in '64 when I voted for Goldwater, who was my man for a long while. Things have come to light recently that has created some doubt about Barry, but without a doubt, he was better that Ike, Truman, JFK, or LBJ.
QuoteI gave the Air Force 22 years. Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime. So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size.
Again, you seem to have a problem with the written word. I said nothing about YOUR IQ but about anyone that could not see what Bush's beloved bull shit DHS, TSA, and Patriot Act would do in even more wrong hands than Bush's.
While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.
Quote
I got to salute Reagan in uniform. Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time.
Good Googly Mooglies- obscure or
ANCIENT variant of conservatism? Good Lord in Heaven, please tell me I did not just read the Constitution is obscure or ancient. Fokk! We may as well give it all away with thinking like that. You would have hated Bob Taft, Mr Republican and/or Mr Conservative. Criminy!
QuoteWho's your guy ? Goldwater?
As stated, I voted for Barry G.
QuoteUS Grant ?
Grant was a criminal, as was his boss.
Quote2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum". Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib. Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.
The last I checked I wasn't here to make nice with Neo-Cons an/or RINOS.
QuoteBush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies. They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters. Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.
I guess you do not remember Bush One campaigning against Reagan with a Pro-Choice plank, eh? Or Bush Two campaigning against nation building. He campaigned as a conservative, then governed as a liberal.
QuoteThere is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama. That's why I'm giving you a hard time. Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess). To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach. Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.
I presume, and you can set me straight, that you believe Mr Bush's DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Drug Prescription Plan, unholy deficits and debt, preemptive wars, and expansion of government is the natural function of a conservative.
To set the record straight, you can call me a liberal or denigrate me every fokking day of the week and as this is a tactic of liberals, I really don't care. You can call me a Classic Liberal and I will wear the mantra proudly.
Other than that, I really do not care what you think of me, or if you don't think of me. It is of little importance. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.
--edited by taxed -- fixed broken quoting
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
lol, I'm 53, so if you were a conservative when I was crapping yellow, you must be crapping yellow for the second time around at age 85.
I gave the Air Force 22 years. Made O-5 and went to grad school a couple times on their dime. So, I'm fairly sure that my IQ has snuck up above my shoe size. I got to salute Reagan in uniform. Anybody who minimizes Reagan for some obscure or ancient variant of conservatism, is lost in time. Who's your guy ? Goldwater ? US Grant ?
2 classic liberal debate techniques - try to create an identity for your opponent (in this case young), and always throw in a loud "yer dum". Maybe it's just that you're angry....don't let it make you look like a lib. Maybe you have "credentials" lol, but your behaviors here aren't helping.
Bush and his father were both good conservatives until the end of their presidencies. They both succumbed to some inexplicable need to make everybody like them near the end, especially liberal schysters. Bush 1 with his taxes and Bush 2 with his Dead Teddy entitlements & bailouts.
There is no way to even compare or link Bush & Obama. That's why I'm giving you a hard time. Wartime policy and legislation is a murky world of intel, military ops, and statesmanship (or international chess). To keep sugesting that Bush engaged in some nefarious assault and insult against the people, when you have no idea about these various components.......is a decidedly liberal approach. Dont do it if you don't want to be viewed as such.
This incessant need, (by the republicans), to be
liked, as opposed to explaining that our country is going away, and it must be stopped, is killing them.
Democrats lie, cheat, steal, etc., and they are loved by the useful idiots.
I wish I had the answers. Obama is a brilliant politician. Not only does he not encumber himself with the constitution, he also has no morals standing in his way. Being nice ain't gonna cut it. They need to be honest.....................
That's the part that has me scared. Very few of them are exhibiting a genuine love for this country, putting their careers in jeopardy, and saying, (very loudly), the things that
need to be said.
You are right about that one thing. People going into either House of Congress should go in with the intention of being willing to lose that job for speaking the hard truths. If they're not willing to do that, they don't belong there in the first place (which, btw eliminates all Demonrats).
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:01:49 PM
Impessive resume.....
however, as a realist, like most conservatives are, I tend to look at the at the REALITY of the situation.
If we didn't have BUSH we would have had Al (Jazeera) Gore, as many Fkd up things as Bush did, Looney Tunes Gore would have been far worse.
Billy
It's funny, this "resume" thing always come up when I counter the "you must be young and retarded to disagree with me". I don't relish saying stuff about myself, but what do you do when somebody's whole point revolves around a pretend caricature of yourself ? Besides, at every stop I've had buddies who made me look puny. O-5 is zip when your pals made the O-6 club that was fighting it out for O-7 (one star). Ditto all else.
It's happened to me on other boards. Jokers opine that "you are dum and young and stewpid" and I say "no, for these reasons". And it goes downhill from there.
But back on topic. Obama, and to a less shocking extent the Clintons and Gore....actual traitors.
There is no effing way to compare them with any Bush. The Bushes were military men, served as governers, CIA, legit businessmen, etc.
Obama is a community organizer, pretend state senator, pretend US senator (a few months), and fully anti-US racial / reparations prez.
Gore is the son of one of America's great racists, a purveyor of one of America's great hoaxes (AGW / ACC, from whice he's apparently profited by 8 figures), and a seller of a media outlet to America's enemies.
The Clintons have sullied every last American tradition and standard, and served nothing but their own selfish ends and promotion. NTM filth in the Oval Office and incredible Anti-US theatre, post-Benghazi.
And it's the Bushes vs. these guys. A big WTF for that.....
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 04:26:19 PM
It's funny, this "resume" thing always come up when I counter the "you must be young and retarded to disagree with me". I don't relish saying stuff about myself, but what do you do when somebody's whole point revolves around a pretend caricature of yourself ? Besides, at every stop I've had buddies who made me look puny. O-5 is zip when your pals made the O-6 club that was fighting it out for O-7 (one star). Ditto all else.
It's happened to me on other boards. Jokers opine that "you are dum and young and stewpid" and I say "no, for these reasons". And it goes downhill from there.
But back on topic. Obama, and to a less shocking extent the Clintons and Gore....actual traitors.
There is no effing way to compare them with any Bush. The Bushes were military men, served as governers, CIA, legit businessmen, etc.
Obama is a community organizer, pretend state senator, pretend US senator (a few months), and fully anti-US racial / reparations prez.
Gore is the son of one of America's great racists, a purveyor of one of America's great hoaxes (AGW / ACC, from whice he's apparently profited by 8 figures), and a seller of a media outlet to America's enemies.
The Clintons have sullied every last American tradition and standard, and served nothing but their own selfish ends and promotion. NTM filth in the Oval Office and incredible Anti-US theatre, post-Benghazi.
And it's the Bushes vs. these guys. A big WTF for that.....
A think a person should qualify their opinion with their life experience...to me that means a lot, it does in a court of law where I have testified as an expert many times....but I digress.
Bush had his faults, I voted for his Father, and later regretted it (no new taxes) Thats why I voted for Ross Perot....that got us Clinton.
I did not vote for Bush the younger....because of my idiotic moral code against a dynasty or some nonsense...so I didn't vote at all....that ALMOST got us Al Gorezeera.
Bush and this Marxist menace are nothing alike. For one thing their cultural backgrounds are totally different and a persons background and upbringing have a direct impact on their performance in life.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
A think a person should qualify their opinion with their life experience...to me that means a lot, it does in a court of law where I have testified as an expert many times....but I digress.
Bush had his faults, I voted for his Father, and later regretted it (no new taxes) Thats why I voted for Ross Perot....that got us Clinton.
I did not vote for Bush the younger....because of my idiotic moral code against a dynasty or some nonsense...so I didn't vote at all....that ALMOST got us Al Gorezeera.
Bush and this Marxist menace are nothing alike. For one thing their cultural backgrounds are totally different and a persons background and upbringing have a direct impact on their performance in life.
Billy
I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 04:12:28 PM
. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.
You must hate me. :lol:
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:
So am I...but at the end of the day that is what it comes down to.
Billy
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 04:12:28 PM
You wasn't too far removed from your Momma's teat in '64 when I voted for Goldwater, who was my man for a long while. Things have come to light recently that has created some doubt about Barry, but without a doubt, he was better that Ike, Truman, JFK, or LBJ.
Man, I love these disjointed onerous never-ending diatribes. Yes, apparently you are 95 if you are still fighting Ike, Truman, JFK, and LBJ. They all died several decades ago. Besides JFK.....damn old. Actually, JFK was pretty good with taxes and "ask not". And Ike not bad, with his mil-ind complex warnings.
Again, you seem to have a problem with the written word. I said nothing about YOUR IQ but about anyone that could not see what Bush's beloved bull shit DHS, TSA, and Patriot Act would do in even more wrong hands than Bush's.
You said "anybody", and now say "not you". NOT impressive. And.....what is "beloved bull shit" but a lib dog whistle / buzzword / catchphrase ? The 3 things you demonize will always be above our pay grade / knowledge. But don't admit it, or anything.
While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.
Oh no. Not the military service = "sucking at the govt teat" thingie. Only libs say this. Conservatives have always respected, if not revered, military service. Oh, ya know, from George Washington through Ike and MacArthur. Interrupted only by the hate-libs for Vietnam and beyond.
Good Googly Mooglies- obscure or ANCIENT variant of conservatism? Good Lord in Heaven, please tell me I did not just read the Constitution is obscure or ancient. Fokk! We may as well give it all away with thinking like that. You would have hated Bob Taft, Mr Republican and/or Mr Conservative. Criminy!
As stated, I voted for Barry G.
Grant was a criminal, as was his boss.
The last I checked I wasn't here to make nice with Neo-Cons an/or RINOS.
I guess you do not remember Bush One campaigning against Reagan with a Pro-Choice plank, eh? Or Bush Two campaigning against nation building. He campaigned as a conservative, then governed as a liberal.
I presume, and you can set me straight, that you believe Mr Bush's DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Drug Prescription Plan, unholy deficits and debt, preemptive wars, and expansion of government is the natural function of a conservative.
To set the record straight, you can call me a liberal or denigrate me every fokking day of the week and as this is a tactic of liberals, I really don't care. You can call me a Classic Liberal and I will wear the mantra proudly.
Other than that, I really do not care what you think of me, or if you don't think of me. It is of little importance. I am never particularly impressed with a man of arrogance.
Not (and probably never) knowing you, I think little OF you. I only know, and comment, on what you write. Robert Taft....are you really THAT old ? Holy crap. Grant and his boss (Lincoln ?) criminals ? "Unholy" deficits and debts Vs. Obama ??? Expansion of govt vs Clinton & Obama ??? You'll have to excuse me. I don't really know what to make of YOU. Only your words, which are bizarre to say the the least.
--edited by taxed -- fixed broken quoting
Maybe we're just off kilter. Maybe we're both good patriots and generally conservative. But.....what you're posting here is too strange to divine all of that.
Let's just say this thing does find support amongst the Democrats and they start pushing to bring it to a vote in the House.
All we need is a few weak kneed Republicans (God knows there are plenty of those!) who are afraid that if they oppose it they will be called "racist" and it passes the House.
If Republicans oppose it in the Senate, they will be tarred and feathered by the MSM as Racist Dinosaurs who a opposing a bill which has received bipartisan support in the House.
It may seem like a long shot now but, stranger things have happened!
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 04:03:44 PM
I've seen many a communist / marxist go on and on about how a man's labor should be untaxable, and should be more of a commodity than ownership of a business. Something about taxation and/or ownership equalling slavery.
Or ownership being an absolute evil. And "living wage' being so much more important than hard work, risk, creativity, and evil multi-generational wealth.
Surely you don't mean all this.
Just so much discombobulated bull shit is all I can handle in a day.
QuoteThere's a fine line where the framers understood SOME federal / republic necessities, but wanted to keep them minimal.
They provided for such, as I recall. In fact, they not only believed it should be minimal, but should be constrained to specific areas they defined.
QuoteAnd we actually DO need a tax system with representation for this.
Surely you do not mean a personal income tax. The Founders certainly did not believe an income tax was needed or they would have included one in the Constitution. Most argued against an income tax. Except for Lincoln's unconstitutional foray into an income tax, we managed for about 125 years without one.
I do believe you are especially at odds with Mr Jefferson, who also hated bankers with a passion, but who believed no measure of borrowing should ever be undertaken without levying a tax to at least pay the interest, and preferred levying a tax to also pay the principal. That, however, did not include an income tax.
BTW, for the record, I believe Thomas Jefferson to be the finest President we have ever had. Not the greatest, as I think no President can ever be great, but the finest.
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 06, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Let's just say this thing does find support amongst the Democrats and they start pushing to bring it to a vote in the House.
All we need is a few weak kneed Republicans (God knows there are plenty of those!) who are afraid that if they oppose it they will be called "racist" and it passes the House.
If Republicans oppose it in the Senate, they will be tarred and feathered by the MSM as Racist Dinosaurs who a opposing a bill which has received bipartisan support in the House.
It may seem like a long shot now but, stranger things have happened!
How about this scenario.
In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
How about this scenario.
In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.
Billy
Or, they could just declare the Constitution (and ALL of its amendments) null and void and go from there!
Easy Peasey!
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
You must hate me. :lol:
I figure you can't be too arrogant or a lady of discerning taste, such as Toy, wouldn't put up with your barn yard ways. :lol:
Sorry, I screwed up and didn't highlight this most liberal of viewpoints, and reply.....
While I salute your service, because you sucked at the governments teat doesn't give you a pass for supporting bull shit legislation.
Oh no. Not the military service = "sucking at the govt teat" thingie. Only libs say this. Conservatives have always respected, if not revered, military service. Oh, ya know, from George Washington through Ike and MacArthur. Interrupted only by the hate-libs for Vietnam and beyond.
Sorry I missed it in the first response.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 05:10:20 PM
Just so much discombobulated bull shit is all I can handle in a day.
They provided for such, as I recall. In fact, they not only believed it should be minimal, but should be constrained to specific areas they defined.
Surely you do not mean a personal income tax. The Founders certainly did not believe an income tax was needed or they would have included one in the Constitution. Most argued against an income tax. Except for Lincoln's unconstitutional foray into an income tax, we managed for about 125 years without one.
I do believe you are especially at odds with Mr Jefferson, who also hated bankers with a passion, but who believed no measure of borrowing should ever be undertaken without levying a tax to at least pay the interest, and preferred levying a tax to also pay the principal. That, however, did not include an income tax.
BTW, for the record, I believe Thomas Jefferson to be the finest President we have ever had. Not the greatest, as I think no President can ever be great, but the finest.
And back to business....I'm not sure that pecking and poking and primping around with Jeffersonian theories really explains your pre-occupation with the Bushes. Or dismissal of Reagan to go all the way back to Goldwater. To blow off all good conservative values of Reagan and the Bushes.....speaks of a strange self-preoccupied problem. Typical of liberals, but since I don't really know you, I'll leave it at that.
And I love Jefferson as well. Great man, great pres, great theorist.
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
How about this scenario.
In the closing days of his Admin in October a much too convenient terrorist attack ala 9/11 allows him to declare an emergency and write an EO staying in office for a third term.
Billy
If that happened, I'd expect OUR military to do the right thing and follow the
good example of Honduras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_constitutional_crisis) in 2009. The left HATES what they did. I told my friend from Honduras, "Today, I am a Honduran." He agreed and was proud of his military. The American Left doesn't see it that way.
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
I would like for the republicans to stop taking our votes for granted. I'm growing weary of voting for the lesser of two evils. :mad:
Totally agree. Folks like the classic RINO's, Rove, Boehner, McConnell, Christie, are trying to play all sides of the tea party, shocked Obama realizers, and classic GOP. They're lying of course, but that's politics. They are not for change, solutions, or conservatism. They are for keeping themselves in power, in higher office.
Only the voters can stop and change it. Good luck wit dat.
Quote from: Yawn on January 06, 2013, 05:55:05 PM
If that happened, I'd expect OUR military to do the right thing and follow the good example of Honduras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_constitutional_crisis) in 2009. The left HATES what they did. I told my friend from Honduras, "Today, I am a Honduran." He agreed and was proud of his military. The American Left doesn't see it that way.
Add Honduras to the lesson of History rearding coups/overthrows/rebellions etc
None of which succeed unless you have the support of the Military and the Police.
That is why it is so important for the Obamaonistas to CHANGE THE CULTURE of the military/law enforcement by putting in more gays, non American born MINORITY members and others of the disenfranchised.
Such persons are not the traditional conservatives and would have more of an axe to grind with the rest of us.
Billy
Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
I figure you can't be too arrogant or a lady of discerning taste, such as Toy, wouldn't put up with your barn yard ways. :lol:
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Actually it's one of the qualities that she finds endearing. What Libs call an arrogant attitude, is actually based in a set of core values of which I'm inflexible, so many see this unbending opinion and unwavering love of Country as arrogant, when in truth it is my way of holding our Country's place and refusing to accept liberalism/Marxism.