Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!

Started by The Stranger, January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM

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raptor5618

Solar I think we are both saying the same thing but on different ends.   If demand goes up and I have inventory I will probably be able to sell it at a higher price.  If I have the ability to buy the materials I need at the same price or have a stock pile of it, then my cost of production can drop with higher production.  Economies of Scale I think is the term.  I am not sure that a gun manufacturer's increased demand would have much impact on some of its suppliers like metal where gun manufacturers are but a tiny part of their overall demand.  But I agree that if the gun manufacturers put an increased demand on its suppliers then the price they have to pay for raw materials would rise.   Increased labor would increase their overall cost but should reduce their cost per product produced.  Of course cost and pricing is really a fluid thing and each manufacturer will manage the increase in production differently.  So I think every position could be supported given the right set of variables. 

But that is the wonder of a free market and capitalism.   We used to talk about the projects we did and said that you only get to pick two when it comes to Fast, Cheap and Good.  Kind of simplistic but the company that finds the right mix will thrive.  As you said, when the govt takes the free market out of it well all bets are off.  Your company might have the right quality at the right price but someone who has their cost artificially reduced can make the exact same thing as you and sell it for less than your cost while making a profit.  In such an instance the company not getting the govt goodies has no options that are good. 

I agree that it is immoral to jack up prices for those who have gone through a disaster but everyone has their own sense of morality.   Imagine the lifeboat franchise on the Titantic.  But the sale of guns right now has the feeling that it might be a life and death decision but I do not think we are at that point now.  However, I am starting to believe that having a bigger stockpile of ammunition and weapons might not be such a bad idea. 
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

Solar

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
Yeah, it's great that it's not even based in the quality of the products.  Only payback for campaign donations.
LOL! Hit the nail on the head, not only did he gut an industry growing slowly, he forced low quality crap onto the mkt to meet demand.
It was this low quality BS that crippled my industry.
It's like when Carter did his solar BS and gave away our tax dollars to any idiot that installed panels on their roof.
The mkt gave way to cheap abs plastic that froze that first winter, in turn turning people against the whole idea.

It took 20 years to recover. Now Husein did it again, only this time it will be an entire generation before solar panels or wind turbines make a comeback, the mkt is glutted with low quality crap.
Panels I was selling for close to $500.0 each, can now be bought at a third, but they are Chinese second grade quality.
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raptor5618

Quote from: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 08:32:58 AM
Look at it from his point of view........

This is going on across the country. I doubt that he will be able to just place an order and have the inventory to restock his shelves next week. With taxes on exess inventory, none of the gun or ammo manufacturers have the stuff laying around to resupply everybody, either. These days, everything is manufactured pretty much on an "as needed" basis.

Once the store owner is out, he'll still be open for business, but he's not going to have anything to sell.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arms to go out and do this "panic" buying. I don't blame him for getting some extra money...........it's gonna be awhile before he's able to restock.

I'm over here by Raleigh, and it's really hard to resist the temptation to go out and buy something. :wink:

To late to go buy something unless you find someone who wants to turn a quick profit.  I think it is going to be while before you have a chance of laying your hands on any defensive type of weapon.  Shot gun and deer rifles are still easy to get but anything that hints at being an assault weapon is going to be few and far between for a good while.  Stag Arms said they have orders that will take two years to fill and that statement is used for every line they have.  I was looking for left handed and even those are gone.
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

AndyJackson

I'm happy with what I've got.

There's a difference between being comfy, and being paranoid / overdone.

If it turns into Mad Max times, you'd better start making spears and bows & arrows, and punji stick pits anyway, lol.

But the reality is probably not all that.  I don't really think that we'll see movement toward confiscation.  Obama's crafty.  He'll get some minions to mention it, but not pay the political price to pursue it himself.

I think he also knows he's won a lot in the last year, and will rope-a-dope for a while now that the GOP and NRA are a bit pissed off, and ready to fight back.  Obama will probably lay low for a while, until the GOP and everyone else has forgotten to watch him again.

The Stranger

Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 09:40:07 AM


To late to go buy something unless you find someone who wants to turn a quick profit.  I think it is going to be while before you have a chance of laying your hands on any defensive type of weapon.  Shot gun and deer rifles are still easy to get but anything that hints at being an assault weapon is going to be few and far between for a good while.  Stag Arms said they have orders that will take two years to fill and that statement is used for every line they have.  I was looking for left handed and even those are gone.

I have hit several gun shops in NC as well as SC the last week and there is NO Semi-Auto rifles to be had anyplace. BUT lever actions seem to have come down some in price as did many revolvers.
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AndyJackson

lol, time to buy up the Mosin Nagant rifles and revolvers.  They're probably getting a little thin by now, but there was a lot of them.

raptor5618

I do not think that Obama is going to lay low.  He knows he has the GOP on the ropes and he is going to pound until they are irrelevant.  I was watching a video on the military channel about the Russians during world war 2.  They took a beating but when they turned the tide they did not go straight at Germany in an effort to win the war.  Nope they went south to gobble up Poland and Hungary and Yugoslavia etc.  They went into Finland to grab some mineral rich land there and then on to the Baltic states.  Stalin wanted it all and simple victory was not enough.  I think that Obama is not going to let up on any issue where his lies will make the GOP look like they are the problem and not the solution.  Since his election the GOP have been his bitch on every issue so far. They did not even have the balls to cut the pork from that bill for aid to the people affected by the hurricane. 

Obama is banging the drum already about how the GOP is allowing a war on children and do not care how many more are massacred so that they can bow down to the NRA.  The fight not to ban guns is going to be harder than you think.   

Watching that show also reminded me of how all those communist and socialist states existed.  The people were like slaves and they were locked in so that they could not escape.  I wonder how all these dreamers about how good a socialist state would be ignore the fact that all of them arm their military to keep the people in.  How long before Obama turns the fences around and has the boarder guards shoot anyone who tries to make it into Mexico? 

Wonder what gun stores are going to do in the upcoming months.  Manufacturers are backlogged with orders for years.  I am sure that the guns that they sold took a good bit out of the discretionary dollars of those who buy guns and ammo.  I really was not ready to buy a gun but thought that it was kind of a now or never kind of proposition.  With never meaning that they would still be available but at a very high price for a long time.  So if I did find a gun to buy I would not have the money to buy more guns, ammo, powder or bullets for a good while.  A dollar today is much better than a dollar tomorrow but this frenzy means that even as people have the money to buy again there likely will be few guns around to sell.  Like I said Stag has an order backlog of two years.  If a dealer did not get his order in well it will be years before he gets another gun.  I guess it is both a great time for gun dealers and and frightening time as well. 
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

kramarat

Quote from: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
I have hit several gun shops in NC as well as SC the last week and there is NO Semi-Auto rifles to be had anyplace. BUT lever actions seem to have come down some in price as did many revolvers.

I was in Walmart this afternoon.........nothing but a few boxes of shotgun shells in the amm case. :blink:

kramarat

Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
I do not think that Obama is going to lay low.  He knows he has the GOP on the ropes and he is going to pound until they are irrelevant.  I was watching a video on the military channel about the Russians during world war 2.  They took a beating but when they turned the tide they did not go straight at Germany in an effort to win the war.  Nope they went south to gobble up Poland and Hungary and Yugoslavia etc.  They went into Finland to grab some mineral rich land there and then on to the Baltic states.  Stalin wanted it all and simple victory was not enough.  I think that Obama is not going to let up on any issue where his lies will make the GOP look like they are the problem and not the solution.  Since his election the GOP have been his bitch on every issue so far. They did not even have the balls to cut the pork from that bill for aid to the people affected by the hurricane. 

Obama is banging the drum already about how the GOP is allowing a war on children and do not care how many more are massacred so that they can bow down to the NRA.  The fight not to ban guns is going to be harder than you think.   

Watching that show also reminded me of how all those communist and socialist states existed.  The people were like slaves and they were locked in so that they could not escape.  I wonder how all these dreamers about how good a socialist state would be ignore the fact that all of them arm their military to keep the people in.  How long before Obama turns the fences around and has the boarder guards shoot anyone who tries to make it into Mexico? 

Wonder what gun stores are going to do in the upcoming months.  Manufacturers are backlogged with orders for years.  I am sure that the guns that they sold took a good bit out of the discretionary dollars of those who buy guns and ammo.  I really was not ready to buy a gun but thought that it was kind of a now or never kind of proposition.  With never meaning that they would still be available but at a very high price for a long time.  So if I did find a gun to buy I would not have the money to buy more guns, ammo, powder or bullets for a good while.  A dollar today is much better than a dollar tomorrow but this frenzy means that even as people have the money to buy again there likely will be few guns around to sell.  Like I said Stag has an order backlog of two years.  If a dealer did not get his order in well it will be years before he gets another gun.  I guess it is both a great time for gun dealers and and frightening time as well.

Nothing would surprise me with Obama.

Guns aside, I believe he intends to hammer the GOP out of existence. His campaign is still collecting and spending money. He won the election; I can only guess that the money is being spent on the non-stop campaign against the GOP and conservatives.

The dems feel closer than ever to crushing the conservatives for good.

Solar

I'll say it again, there will be absolutely no gun ban of any type, magazines, ammo, nothing!
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Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.
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raptor5618

Quote from: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.

The few places I went did not change prices on what they had in stock but I have little doubt that as they replace inventory that prices will go up.  Cant say if any of them increased their prices because they had nothing to sell in the way of guns. 

I agree that the ban is not going to go through but even if it is because the Dem's do not support it they will blame the GOP for being obstructionists even though they do not run the Senate or the white house.  They will probably toss in that the GOP does not care if our children are left in harms way.  Probably worse. 
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

kramarat

Quote from: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.

The free market at work!!! :thumbsup:

Turks

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I ordered on-line and it's on backorder.  Even if you want to go high end and pay the price, much is still sold out.

They key is to stockpile it.  Once this controversary blows over, this administration will go after ammo.   It will be in a more subtle way so as not to be noticed quite as much.

This is a process we're witnessing...slowly chipping away, here and there.

Cuomo's restrictions  in NY with his 7 bullet limit on clips, will likley be emulated by Christie in NJ, post haste. 

Get your hans on whatever you can.

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kramarat

Quote from: Turks on January 17, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
I ordered on-line and it's on backorder.  Even if you want to go high end and pay the price, much is still sold out.

They key is to stockpile it.  Once this controversary blows over, this administration will go after ammo.   It will be in a more subtle way so as not to be noticed quite as much.

This is a process we're witnessing...slowly chipping away, here and there.

Won't work. Best the administration can do is raise the price.

The government can't make anything go away that people want..............

Didn't work with booze, didn't work with drugs, and damned sure won't work with ammo or guns.

They've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failure.