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Title: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: The Stranger on January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
I am a regular at a few local shops here in WNC and today started to think maybe gun store owners are no different then anyone else, GREEDY.
One local store here usually has about 150 rifles along the back wall today there were maybe a dozen or so left and NO SEMI-AUTO'S. I reload and noticed little red tags on nearly everything in the store and asked one of the gentlemen h*ll you closing up and he laughed and said no. They raised the price on everything in the store and folks were still leaving with milk cartons FULL OF AMMO, the shelves were EMPTY of loaded Ammo! The projectiles I usually buy were 25-30% more then I usually pay. A can of lube that I pay $3.00-$3.50 for was over $8.00. I don't know who to Blame, Greed or Obama?
Oh well what to think?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 15, 2013, 03:41:17 PM
Free Market supply and demand.
Never buy in a panic, shelves quickly empty, and stores are at the mercy of the supplier, and if little stock is on the shelf at the manufacturer, he has to raise his prices to meet demand due to hiring and doubling output.

But like all bubbles, they pop and prices plummet, which is always the best time to buy.
The gun ban talk will fizzle and things will return to normal and prices will drop on everything related.
As I said before, there will be no ban.

Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: walkstall on January 15, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
I am a regular at a few local shops here in WNC and today started to think maybe gun store owners are no different then anyone else, GREEDY.
One local store here usually has about 150 rifles along the back wall today there were maybe a dozen or so left and NO SEMI-AUTO'S. I reload and noticed little red tags on nearly everything in the store and asked one of the gentlemen h*ll you closing up and he laughed and said no. They raised the price on everything in the store and folks were still leaving with milk cartons FULL OF AMMO, the shelves were EMPTY of loaded Ammo! The projectiles I usually buy were 25-30% more then I usually pay. A can of lube that I pay $3.00-$3.50 for was over $8.00. I don't know who to Blame, Greed or Obama?Oh well what to think?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Both!!!
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 15, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
Never buy (or sell) ANYTHING in a panic market...that goes for wall street.... :wink: as well as gun's & Ammo.

:popcorn:

Billy
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Darth Fife on January 15, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 15, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
Never buy (or sell) ANYTHING in a panic market...that goes for wall street.... :wink: as well as gun's & Ammo.

:popcorn:

Billy

I would amend that to say, never buy or sell anything in a panic. If you keep your wits about you, a panic market can make you a lot of money! :wink:

:popcorn:

Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 06:32:26 AM
Supply and demand is not greed.  And anyway who really is not greedy.  In a free market you can be as greedy as you want but can only sell at a price that the market will accept.  Increasing capacity at the manufacturer is not the reason for higher prices.  Their total cost will increase and perhaps cash flow will be impacted but their cost per unit will probably go down.  Again it is demand, they charge as high as a price as they can get. 

Visiting a gun store is really quite an adventure as Obama really pumped money into anyone who sells ammo or guns.  Hmm wonder what the numbers will show when sporting goods companies post their numbers.  Not sure if they are all public but I would like to see the difference between Dick's and say gander mtn or Cabellas. 

I am left handed and apparently not thinking about what demand would be when I thought about getting a AR-15.   Stag Arms has left handed models that are priced in a range that I can handle.  Well I looked a little late as the frenzy was starting and before I hit the put this in my basket button Obama came out talking about regulating guns.  Then it was over.   Go to stag arms web site only a few days ago and the back log was thought to be 1 year.  Went on their site last night and now they say 2 years and that they have every person on staff rushing to get what ever product they have out the door. 

Visit any site that sells guns and you will not find a single gun that looks like an AR even if they shoot .22.   As far as reloading which I got into in the last year well I am sure those costs will go up as they did in the past when they talked about banning assault weapons.  I did not experience this but my friends that reload constantly complain about how much the costs have gone up.  I can just imagine what this is going to do. 

Think that gun manufacturers are probably having some difficult decisions to make.  How much should they invest in adding capacity.  They certainly have short term demand but they also face the potential that their guns could be banned and the guns would not be able to be sold.   
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I reload and much of the stuff I was talking of was off the shelf things that had been there for weeks or months then they just raised the prices on things more then doubling some. Guns and mag. I can see them being sold out.
I am a loyal customer and will but up with a lot but to just up prices because he can isn't right. He may have lost a good return customer, I have to see how things play out because I am on my way to another of my suppliers and am wondering what he has done with his prices.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2013, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 06:32:26 AM
Supply and demand is not greed.  And anyway who really is not greedy.  In a free market you can be as greedy as you want but can only sell at a price that the market will accept.  Increasing capacity at the manufacturer is not the reason for higher prices.  Their total cost will increase and perhaps cash flow will be impacted but their cost per unit will probably go down.  Again it is demand, they charge as high as a price as they can get. 

Not in the short term, were talking panic buying bubble here.
If the manufacturer sees this trending higher, his cost per unit will increase in that he too is putting demand on a supply mkt not used to influx in quantity.
In other words, everyone will pay a premium to meet demand in all areas to keep up with supply.

The market works to supply demand, but when demand drastically increases, prices follow suit.
Why do you think prices drop like a rock after the bubble pops?
Because there is a glut of product and little demand.
The manufacturer, if he wants to stay in business that is, always passes his cost increases onto the customer, he already has a built in profit he works with, he also recognizes a bubble and prices his product accordingly.

Remember the housing bubble, and remember how high prices got, and where are those prices today? 
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:08:50 AM
Business exists to make money.  And they are free to pursue whatever strategies they choose.

The marketplace will give us an alternative when someone bucks the trend to gouge everyone, and makes more money in the long run because everyone flocks to them.  Prices go back down, problem solved.

Except for the meddling of politicians favoring certain competitors with laws, a true free market will always work like this.

I only think it's immoral when they use disasters and suffering to roll out the gouging.

Right now, their gouging is based solely in the customer's greed and need to hoard.  Most of the hoarding is being done by folks who already are armed and stocked up.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the hoarding, it's a free country, go for it.  But I don't think raising prices for that is anything evil.

I went to Walmart last night and found the rumors of devestation to be true.  They are cleaned out.  The sales guy said most of it happened the DAY OF Newtown.  That's crazy.

The odd thing was that there is just one little pile of ammo left, all of it .270.  And a nice .270 rifle in the case.  I thought it was odd that these were overlooked, but the sales guy said that maybe it's because it's such a dedicated deer gun, and it's out of season.  I'd still think a devoted prepper would grab up the rifle and the ammo anyway.  Gun was only ~300.00, too.  But it was bolt action with a 5-round box, so maybe it's not sexy enough lol.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2013, 08:19:57 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:08:50 AM
Business exists to make money.  And they are free to pursue whatever strategies they choose.

The marketplace will give us an alternative when someone bucks the trend to gouge everyone, and makes more money in the long run because everyone flocks to them.  Prices go back down, problem solved.

Except for the meddling of politicians favoring certain competitors with laws, a true free market will always work like this.

I only think it's immoral when they use disasters and suffering to roll out the gouging.

Right now, their gouging is based solely in the customer's greed and need to hoard.  Most of the hoarding is being done by folks who already are armed and stocked up.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the hoarding, it's a free country, go for it.  But I don't think raising prices for that is anything evil.

I went to Walmart last night and found the rumors of devestation to be true.  They are cleaned out.  The sales guy said most of it happened the DAY OF Newtown.  That's crazy.

The odd thing was that there is just one little pile of ammo left, all of it .270.  And a nice .270 rifle in the case.  I thought it was odd that these were overlooked, but the sales guy said that maybe it's because it's such a dedicated deer gun, and it's out of season.  I'd still think a devoted prepper would grab up the rifle and the ammo anyway.  Gun was only ~300.00, too.  But it was bolt action with a 5-round box, so maybe it's not sexy enough lol.
That's exactly what killed my industry, the Govt got involved in alternative energy and picked winners and losers, in the end everyone wound up being a loser, except Husein's friends.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 08:32:58 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I reload and much of the stuff I was talking of was off the shelf things that had been there for weeks or months then they just raised the prices on things more then doubling some. Guns and mag. I can see them being sold out.
I am a loyal customer and will but up with a lot but to just up prices because he can isn't right. He may have lost a good return customer, I have to see how things play out because I am on my way to another of my suppliers and am wondering what he has done with his prices.

Look at it from his point of view........

This is going on across the country. I doubt that he will be able to just place an order and have the inventory to restock his shelves next week. With taxes on exess inventory, none of the gun or ammo manufacturers have the stuff laying around to resupply everybody, either. These days, everything is manufactured pretty much on an "as needed" basis.

Once the store owner is out, he'll still be open for business, but he's not going to have anything to sell.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arms to go out and do this "panic" buying. I don't blame him for getting some extra money...........it's gonna be awhile before he's able to restock.

I'm over here by Raleigh, and it's really hard to resist the temptation to go out and buy something. :wink:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2013, 08:19:57 AM
That's exactly what killed my industry, the Govt got involved in alternative energy and picked winners and losers, in the end everyone wound up being a loser, except Husein's friends.
Yeah, it's great that it's not even based in the quality of the products.  Only payback for campaign donations.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.

Yep. If the left truly believe that it's guns that kill people; and not people that kill people.............Well, I guess the Obama administration has just made the country a much more dangerous place. The libs should be hating Obama right now. :biggrin:

What's really funny? When they hear about all of this, it will be the punk criminals that are the most scared. :lol:

I wonder if all of this gun and ammo buying will lead to an "inexplicable" drop in crime?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2013, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ohhhh the irony! :cool:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
Solar I think we are both saying the same thing but on different ends.   If demand goes up and I have inventory I will probably be able to sell it at a higher price.  If I have the ability to buy the materials I need at the same price or have a stock pile of it, then my cost of production can drop with higher production.  Economies of Scale I think is the term.  I am not sure that a gun manufacturer's increased demand would have much impact on some of its suppliers like metal where gun manufacturers are but a tiny part of their overall demand.  But I agree that if the gun manufacturers put an increased demand on its suppliers then the price they have to pay for raw materials would rise.   Increased labor would increase their overall cost but should reduce their cost per product produced.  Of course cost and pricing is really a fluid thing and each manufacturer will manage the increase in production differently.  So I think every position could be supported given the right set of variables. 

But that is the wonder of a free market and capitalism.   We used to talk about the projects we did and said that you only get to pick two when it comes to Fast, Cheap and Good.  Kind of simplistic but the company that finds the right mix will thrive.  As you said, when the govt takes the free market out of it well all bets are off.  Your company might have the right quality at the right price but someone who has their cost artificially reduced can make the exact same thing as you and sell it for less than your cost while making a profit.  In such an instance the company not getting the govt goodies has no options that are good. 

I agree that it is immoral to jack up prices for those who have gone through a disaster but everyone has their own sense of morality.   Imagine the lifeboat franchise on the Titantic.  But the sale of guns right now has the feeling that it might be a life and death decision but I do not think we are at that point now.  However, I am starting to believe that having a bigger stockpile of ammunition and weapons might not be such a bad idea. 
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2013, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
Yeah, it's great that it's not even based in the quality of the products.  Only payback for campaign donations.
LOL! Hit the nail on the head, not only did he gut an industry growing slowly, he forced low quality crap onto the mkt to meet demand.
It was this low quality BS that crippled my industry.
It's like when Carter did his solar BS and gave away our tax dollars to any idiot that installed panels on their roof.
The mkt gave way to cheap abs plastic that froze that first winter, in turn turning people against the whole idea.

It took 20 years to recover. Now Husein did it again, only this time it will be an entire generation before solar panels or wind turbines make a comeback, the mkt is glutted with low quality crap.
Panels I was selling for close to $500.0 each, can now be bought at a third, but they are Chinese second grade quality.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 09:40:07 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 08:32:58 AM
Look at it from his point of view........

This is going on across the country. I doubt that he will be able to just place an order and have the inventory to restock his shelves next week. With taxes on exess inventory, none of the gun or ammo manufacturers have the stuff laying around to resupply everybody, either. These days, everything is manufactured pretty much on an "as needed" basis.

Once the store owner is out, he'll still be open for business, but he's not going to have anything to sell.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arms to go out and do this "panic" buying. I don't blame him for getting some extra money...........it's gonna be awhile before he's able to restock.

I'm over here by Raleigh, and it's really hard to resist the temptation to go out and buy something. :wink:

To late to go buy something unless you find someone who wants to turn a quick profit.  I think it is going to be while before you have a chance of laying your hands on any defensive type of weapon.  Shot gun and deer rifles are still easy to get but anything that hints at being an assault weapon is going to be few and far between for a good while.  Stag Arms said they have orders that will take two years to fill and that statement is used for every line they have.  I was looking for left handed and even those are gone.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 10:11:26 AM
I'm happy with what I've got.

There's a difference between being comfy, and being paranoid / overdone.

If it turns into Mad Max times, you'd better start making spears and bows & arrows, and punji stick pits anyway, lol.

But the reality is probably not all that.  I don't really think that we'll see movement toward confiscation.  Obama's crafty.  He'll get some minions to mention it, but not pay the political price to pursue it himself.

I think he also knows he's won a lot in the last year, and will rope-a-dope for a while now that the GOP and NRA are a bit pissed off, and ready to fight back.  Obama will probably lay low for a while, until the GOP and everyone else has forgotten to watch him again.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 09:40:07 AM


To late to go buy something unless you find someone who wants to turn a quick profit.  I think it is going to be while before you have a chance of laying your hands on any defensive type of weapon.  Shot gun and deer rifles are still easy to get but anything that hints at being an assault weapon is going to be few and far between for a good while.  Stag Arms said they have orders that will take two years to fill and that statement is used for every line they have.  I was looking for left handed and even those are gone.

I have hit several gun shops in NC as well as SC the last week and there is NO Semi-Auto rifles to be had anyplace. BUT lever actions seem to have come down some in price as did many revolvers.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 10:26:14 AM
lol, time to buy up the Mosin Nagant rifles and revolvers.  They're probably getting a little thin by now, but there was a lot of them.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
I do not think that Obama is going to lay low.  He knows he has the GOP on the ropes and he is going to pound until they are irrelevant.  I was watching a video on the military channel about the Russians during world war 2.  They took a beating but when they turned the tide they did not go straight at Germany in an effort to win the war.  Nope they went south to gobble up Poland and Hungary and Yugoslavia etc.  They went into Finland to grab some mineral rich land there and then on to the Baltic states.  Stalin wanted it all and simple victory was not enough.  I think that Obama is not going to let up on any issue where his lies will make the GOP look like they are the problem and not the solution.  Since his election the GOP have been his bitch on every issue so far. They did not even have the balls to cut the pork from that bill for aid to the people affected by the hurricane. 

Obama is banging the drum already about how the GOP is allowing a war on children and do not care how many more are massacred so that they can bow down to the NRA.  The fight not to ban guns is going to be harder than you think.   

Watching that show also reminded me of how all those communist and socialist states existed.  The people were like slaves and they were locked in so that they could not escape.  I wonder how all these dreamers about how good a socialist state would be ignore the fact that all of them arm their military to keep the people in.  How long before Obama turns the fences around and has the boarder guards shoot anyone who tries to make it into Mexico? 

Wonder what gun stores are going to do in the upcoming months.  Manufacturers are backlogged with orders for years.  I am sure that the guns that they sold took a good bit out of the discretionary dollars of those who buy guns and ammo.  I really was not ready to buy a gun but thought that it was kind of a now or never kind of proposition.  With never meaning that they would still be available but at a very high price for a long time.  So if I did find a gun to buy I would not have the money to buy more guns, ammo, powder or bullets for a good while.  A dollar today is much better than a dollar tomorrow but this frenzy means that even as people have the money to buy again there likely will be few guns around to sell.  Like I said Stag has an order backlog of two years.  If a dealer did not get his order in well it will be years before he gets another gun.  I guess it is both a great time for gun dealers and and frightening time as well. 
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 03:19:30 PM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
I have hit several gun shops in NC as well as SC the last week and there is NO Semi-Auto rifles to be had anyplace. BUT lever actions seem to have come down some in price as did many revolvers.

I was in Walmart this afternoon.........nothing but a few boxes of shotgun shells in the amm case. :blink:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 16, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
I do not think that Obama is going to lay low.  He knows he has the GOP on the ropes and he is going to pound until they are irrelevant.  I was watching a video on the military channel about the Russians during world war 2.  They took a beating but when they turned the tide they did not go straight at Germany in an effort to win the war.  Nope they went south to gobble up Poland and Hungary and Yugoslavia etc.  They went into Finland to grab some mineral rich land there and then on to the Baltic states.  Stalin wanted it all and simple victory was not enough.  I think that Obama is not going to let up on any issue where his lies will make the GOP look like they are the problem and not the solution.  Since his election the GOP have been his bitch on every issue so far. They did not even have the balls to cut the pork from that bill for aid to the people affected by the hurricane. 

Obama is banging the drum already about how the GOP is allowing a war on children and do not care how many more are massacred so that they can bow down to the NRA.  The fight not to ban guns is going to be harder than you think.   

Watching that show also reminded me of how all those communist and socialist states existed.  The people were like slaves and they were locked in so that they could not escape.  I wonder how all these dreamers about how good a socialist state would be ignore the fact that all of them arm their military to keep the people in.  How long before Obama turns the fences around and has the boarder guards shoot anyone who tries to make it into Mexico? 

Wonder what gun stores are going to do in the upcoming months.  Manufacturers are backlogged with orders for years.  I am sure that the guns that they sold took a good bit out of the discretionary dollars of those who buy guns and ammo.  I really was not ready to buy a gun but thought that it was kind of a now or never kind of proposition.  With never meaning that they would still be available but at a very high price for a long time.  So if I did find a gun to buy I would not have the money to buy more guns, ammo, powder or bullets for a good while.  A dollar today is much better than a dollar tomorrow but this frenzy means that even as people have the money to buy again there likely will be few guns around to sell.  Like I said Stag has an order backlog of two years.  If a dealer did not get his order in well it will be years before he gets another gun.  I guess it is both a great time for gun dealers and and frightening time as well.

Nothing would surprise me with Obama.

Guns aside, I believe he intends to hammer the GOP out of existence. His campaign is still collecting and spending money. He won the election; I can only guess that the money is being spent on the non-stop campaign against the GOP and conservatives.

The dems feel closer than ever to crushing the conservatives for good.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
I'll say it again, there will be absolutely no gun ban of any type, magazines, ammo, nothing!
The left knows that haven't a leg to stand on, and don't want to risk getting them broken.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 17, 2013, 05:54:57 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.

The few places I went did not change prices on what they had in stock but I have little doubt that as they replace inventory that prices will go up.  Cant say if any of them increased their prices because they had nothing to sell in the way of guns. 

I agree that the ban is not going to go through but even if it is because the Dem's do not support it they will blame the GOP for being obstructionists even though they do not run the Senate or the white house.  They will probably toss in that the GOP does not care if our children are left in harms way.  Probably worse. 
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 06:27:13 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Well went to the store I frequent in Asheville,NC and he didn't raise the prices on anything. He did say he was selling out of most Ammo. He don't sell guns but everything else and a pretty good cache of reloading supplies. So I will make the 35 mile trip and be his loyal customer.

The free market at work!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
I ordered on-line and it's on backorder.  Even if you want to go high end and pay the price, much is still sold out.

They key is to stockpile it.  Once this controversary blows over, this administration will go after ammo.   It will be in a more subtle way so as not to be noticed quite as much.

This is a process we're witnessing...slowly chipping away, here and there.

Cuomo's restrictions  in NY with his 7 bullet limit on clips, will likley be emulated by Christie in NJ, post haste. 

Get your hans on whatever you can.

"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: Turks on January 17, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
I ordered on-line and it's on backorder.  Even if you want to go high end and pay the price, much is still sold out.

They key is to stockpile it.  Once this controversary blows over, this administration will go after ammo.   It will be in a more subtle way so as not to be noticed quite as much.

This is a process we're witnessing...slowly chipping away, here and there.

Won't work. Best the administration can do is raise the price.

The government can't make anything go away that people want..............

Didn't work with booze, didn't work with drugs, and damned sure won't work with ammo or guns.

They've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failure.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 12:53:50 PM
Capitalism at is best always works...supply and demand. 
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: The Stranger on January 17, 2013, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 17, 2013, 05:54:57 AM
The few places I went did not change prices on what they had in stock but I have little doubt that as they replace inventory that prices will go up.  Cant say if any of them increased their prices because they had nothing to sell in the way of guns. 

I agree that the ban is not going to go through but even if it is because the Dem's do not support it they will blame the GOP for being obstructionists even though they do not run the Senate or the white house.  They will probably toss in that the GOP does not care if our children are left in harms way.  Probably worse.
Yup and Boehner will still be in his personalized tanning booth doing NOTHING.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: raptor5618 on January 17, 2013, 01:29:59 PM
Turks you were able to buy a gun?  I looked and the only site that said they had any also said as of some date in 2009.   Probably best not to send my credit card number to that site.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Turks on January 17, 2013, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 17, 2013, 01:29:59 PM
Turks you were able to buy a gun?  I looked and the only site that said they had any also said as of some date in 2009.   Probably best not to send my credit card number to that site.

The shotgun was a gift for Christmas.  My wife bought it at Cabella's and had to have it shipped to a local gun dealer who did the paperwork for $75.00.  That took about 3 days and then we picked it up.

I also bought guns directly from that same dealer in the past and he did all the work.  All I had to do was show up with my Permit to purchase and the paperwork from the local PD. 

The way it works here is once you get your State Firearm's Purchaser I.D. it's good forever.  When you want to buy a gun you're allowed to buy up to 3 at a time.  You fill out a request to purchase, show the PD the state issued card and pay the fee at the police station and once approved they send you the paperwork in the mail.  You go to where you will purchase, pick out your gun, give them the paperwork from the PD.  They verify it with the state on the spot and out the door you go.

Shotguns and rifles are on the spot.  They only reason I had to wait on the shotgun is because Cabella's isn't in the state that I live in and it has to go to an authorized dealer...their rules, otherwise had they been, I could have walked out the door on the spot.


You can order from Cabella's and mail a check if you don't want to give the card # but they are pretty reputable and I never had an issue with them.


Hope that helped.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2013, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
Won't work. Best the administration can do is raise the price.

The government can't make anything go away that people want..............

Didn't work with booze, didn't work with drugs, and damned sure won't work with ammo or guns.

They've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failure.
Exactly!!! Look at the last gun ban....threat, that blew over as well.
This is all distraction from the real problems facing the Country, like the deficit, unemployment, energy, the EPA.
He is doing all he can to keep our eyes averted.

There will be no ban, I've been saying it from the start, the left knows they just don't have the clout, the country will rebel like never before, they just don't want to spend their momentum on getting hammered, they'd rather use it pounding the right and pushing more social programs.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2013, 04:48:41 PM
Exactly!!! Look at the last gun ban....threat, that blew over as well.
This is all distraction from the real problems facing the Country, like the deficit, unemployment, energy, the EPA.
He is doing all he can to keep our eyes averted.

There will be no ban, I've been saying it from the start, the left knows they just don't have the clout, the country will rebel like never before, they just don't want to spend their momentum on getting hammered, they'd rather use it pounding the right and pushing more social programs.

That's where we disagree.

Obama and the left will stop when  clear line is drawn. The GOP refuses to draw the line.

Obama just won with a majority vote.

US politics has moved beyond musical chairs.

It's important to keep the conservative message; clear, fair, and realistic.

Good forum. :wink:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
That's where we disagree.

Obama and the left will stop when  clear line is drawn. The GOP refuses to draw the line.

Obama just won with a majority vote.

US politics has moved beyond musical chairs.

It's important to keep the conservative message; clear, fair, and realistic.

Good forum. :wink:
True, but the majority believes in the 2nd more than they do the leftists.
The left knows this is a losing issue, one that won't make it through the House, so his only option is an unconstitutional move through EO, one that no one can enforce.

They know they have no cards to play, so they are bluffing as big as possible, then like a light switch, it will be turned off, probably when another so called disaster happens, one the media can draw cover with and ignore the gun ban talk.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
True, but the majority believes in the 2nd more than they do the leftists.
The left knows this is a losing issue, one that won't make it through the House, so his only option is an unconstitutional move through EO, one that no one can enforce.

They know they have no cards to play, so they are bluffing as big as possible, then like a light switch, it will be turned off, probably when another so called disaster happens, one the media can draw cover with and ignore the gun ban talk.

The eternal optimist. I think Obama will do whatever he feels like doing, and the GOP will cower like dogs.

The voters have already backed Obama; He knows no limits now.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2013, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
The eternal optimist. I think Obama will do whatever he feels like doing, and the GOP will cower like dogs.

The voters have already backed Obama; He knows no limits now.
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It's not optimism, it's being realistic, the Dims can't get a gun ban or any kind of ban through the House, so they aren't even going to try.
This is all smoke and mirrors, bluster, if you will, they are just distracting the people from the real issues, and in the end will blame the GOP for standing in their way.

They never really had any intention of following through.

Notice how no one is talking about unemployment, deficit, spending, or what he plans on having the EPA do soon?
Because they don't want us talking about it, the quicker they can move on these behind the scene moves, the quicker they can get them through without nary a whimper, and we will say, "Husein Did What"?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2013, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
The eternal optimist. I think Obama will do whatever he feels like doing, and the GOP will cower like dogs.

The voters have already backed Obama; He knows no limits now.
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It's not optimism, it's being realistic, the Dims can't get a gun ban or any kind of ban through the House, so they aren't even going to try.
This is all smoke and mirrors, bluster, if you will, they are just distracting the people from the real issues, and in the end will blame the GOP for standing in their way.

They never really had any intention of following through.

Notice how no one is talking about unemployment, deficit, spending, or what he plans on having the EPA do soon?
Because they don't want us talking about it, the quicker they can move on these behind the scene moves, the quicker they can get them through without nary a whimper, and we will say, "Husein Did What"?

The stroke of a pen, brother.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/nyregion/tougher-gun-law-in-new-york.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/nyregion/tougher-gun-law-in-new-york.html?_r=0)

Who's gonna stop it?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2013, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 17, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
The stroke of a pen, brother.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/nyregion/tougher-gun-law-in-new-york.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/nyregion/tougher-gun-law-in-new-york.html?_r=0)

Who's gonna stop it?
That's not Federal, it's State.
Remember how SCOTUS slapped Chicago recently?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 02:47:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2013, 07:57:58 PM
That's not Federal, it's State.
Remember how SCOTUS slapped Chicago recently?

I know, but look at Obama's abuse of executive order. He's even talking about raising the debt ceiling by himself. :confused:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: For Liberty on January 18, 2013, 03:40:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 15, 2013, 03:41:17 PM
Free Market supply and demand.
Never buy in a panic, shelves quickly empty, and stores are at the mercy of the supplier, and if little stock is on the shelf at the manufacturer, he has to raise his prices to meet demand due to hiring and doubling output.

But like all bubbles, they pop and prices plummet, which is always the best time to buy.
The gun ban talk will fizzle and things will return to normal and prices will drop on everything related.
As I said before, there will be no ban.

Here we go with another prediction
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2013, 07:04:03 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 02:47:17 AM
I know, but look at Obama's abuse of executive order. He's even talking about raising the debt ceiling by himself. :confused:
EOs do not overrule the Constitution. Think about that for a moment, Husein strikes an EO stating no one can espouse Conservative values anymore, and all Conservative talk radio has been outlawed.

That is no different than using an EO to usurp the 2nd.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2013, 07:05:57 AM
Quote from: For Liberty on January 18, 2013, 03:40:49 AM
Here we go with another prediction
OK genius, you explain the free mkt system and where I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2013, 07:04:03 AM
EOs do not overrule the Constitution. Think about that for a moment, Husein strikes an EO stating no one can espouse Conservative values anymore, and all Conservative talk radio has been outlawed.

That is no different than using an EO to usurp the 2nd.

I hope you're right. Personally, I don't trust Obama not to try it, and I don't trust the republicans to stop him if he did.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
I hope you're right. Personally, I don't trust Obama not to try it, and I don't trust the republicans to stop him if he did.
He can write an EO banning all weapons if he likes, but not one State would be obligated to enforce it.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: supsalemgr on January 18, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
I hope you're right. Personally, I don't trust Obama not to try it, and I don't trust the republicans to stop him if he did.

I agree in that Obama is an ego-maniac and believes he can do whatever he desires. I think he will push the envelope as far as he can. He has stated publicly that the Constitution has negative impact on governemnt powers and he doesn't like that. The MSM will not monitor his excesses. That only leave the House GOP and that is not very encouraging.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 01:32:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
He can write an EO banning all weapons if he likes, but not one State would be obligated to enforce it.

I never thought that he would have been able to inflict as much damage as he has.

Obamacare alone, is going to derail the best healthcare system in the world.

Muslim Brotherhood Jihadists working in the white house.................it's a long list. :sad:
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 18, 2013, 01:32:26 PM
I never thought that he would have been able to inflict as much damage as he has.

Obamacare alone, is going to derail the best healthcare system in the world.

Muslim Brotherhood Jihadists working in the white house.................it's a long list. :sad:
If we had a GOP with a set of balls amongst themselves, it wouldn't have.
The left learned long ago, just push till they push back and stop, but like a spoiled stepchild, they've learned that no one ever says no.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: supsalemgr on January 18, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
If we had a GOP with a set of balls amongst themselves, it wouldn't have.
The left learned long ago, just push till they push back and stop, but like a spoiled stepchild, they've learned that no one ever says no.

Now the House pubs have kicked the can down the road for another three months. Will they ever stand up?
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2013, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 18, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
Now the House pubs have kicked the can down the road for another three months. Will they ever stand up?
If the Dims were doing this, I'd suspect they were setting up for a big move, but it's the Pubs, they have proven they are masters at snatching a winning moment and run to the opposing goal, for a score.
The other team just steps out of their way and lets them....
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Turks on January 19, 2013, 04:56:43 AM
"The debt-ceiling deadline is coming up. You can demand commensurate spending cuts, the usual, reasonable Republican offer. But you won't get them. Obama will hold out. And, at the eleventh hour, you will have to give in as you get universally blamed for market gyrations and threatened credit downgrades.

The more prudent course would be to find some offer that cannot be refused, a short-term trade-off utterly unassailable and straightforward. For example, offer to extend the debt ceiling through, say, May 1, in exchange for the Senate delivering a budget by that date — after four years of lawlessly refusing to produce one."


But it would (a) highlight the Democrats' fiscal recklessness, (b) force Senate Democrats to make public their fiscal choices and (c) keep the debt ceiling alive as an ongoing pressure point for future incremental demands.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-a-new-strategy-for-the-gop/2013/01/17/e751be18-60d3-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-a-new-strategy-for-the-gop/2013/01/17/e751be18-60d3-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html)
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2013, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Turks on January 19, 2013, 04:56:43 AM
"The debt-ceiling deadline is coming up. You can demand commensurate spending cuts, the usual, reasonable Republican offer. But you won't get them. Obama will hold out. And, at the eleventh hour, you will have to give in as you get universally blamed for market gyrations and threatened credit downgrades.

The more prudent course would be to find some offer that cannot be refused, a short-term trade-off utterly unassailable and straightforward. For example, offer to extend the debt ceiling through, say, May 1, in exchange for the Senate delivering a budget by that date — after four years of lawlessly refusing to produce one."


But it would (a) highlight the Democrats' fiscal recklessness, (b) force Senate Democrats to make public their fiscal choices and (c) keep the debt ceiling alive as an ongoing pressure point for future incremental demands.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-a-new-strategy-for-the-gop/2013/01/17/e751be18-60d3-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-a-new-strategy-for-the-gop/2013/01/17/e751be18-60d3-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html)

Exactly my point Turk. However, this always seems to backfire, the left has the media running block for them while they sit silent on the sidelines, then the media drags out weak-kneed RINO and makes a fool out of them on Sunday morning talk shows, exposing idiots as representatives of the right.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Turks on January 19, 2013, 06:41:04 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 19, 2013, 06:37:45 AM
Exactly my point Turk. However, this always seems to backfire, the left has the media running block for them while they sit silent on the sidelines, then the media drags out weak-kneed RINO and makes a fool out of them on Sunday morning talk shows, exposing idiots as representatives of the right.

You hit the nail on the head.  The media is a force to reckoned with otherwise Obama could be dealt with.  Without honest reporting, hard for the G.O.P. to take a hard-line stance when they will be vilified even if they are right.
Title: Re: Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
Quote from: Turks on January 19, 2013, 06:41:04 AM
You hit the nail on the head.  The media is a force to reckoned with otherwise Obama could be dealt with.  Without honest reporting, hard for the G.O.P. to take a hard-line stance when they will be vilified even if they are right.
Yep, what the Pubs need to do is just sit this one out, if the media wants to discuss it, talk to the thieves (Dims) themselves, let them explain why borrowing and printing money is in the best interest of the Country.
The only people watching broadcast TV are libs and kids, so why even bother addressing an audience with the intellect of a softball.

Appearing on these assault programs is akin to someone asking... "Do you still beat your wife"? Even though you've never been married, it's the seriousness of the accusation, that's important, not the truth.