Gun Stores, Ammo, and Rifles ?!?!?!

Started by The Stranger, January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM

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The Stranger

I am a regular at a few local shops here in WNC and today started to think maybe gun store owners are no different then anyone else, GREEDY.
One local store here usually has about 150 rifles along the back wall today there were maybe a dozen or so left and NO SEMI-AUTO'S. I reload and noticed little red tags on nearly everything in the store and asked one of the gentlemen h*ll you closing up and he laughed and said no. They raised the price on everything in the store and folks were still leaving with milk cartons FULL OF AMMO, the shelves were EMPTY of loaded Ammo! The projectiles I usually buy were 25-30% more then I usually pay. A can of lube that I pay $3.00-$3.50 for was over $8.00. I don't know who to Blame, Greed or Obama?
Oh well what to think?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
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Solar

Free Market supply and demand.
Never buy in a panic, shelves quickly empty, and stores are at the mercy of the supplier, and if little stock is on the shelf at the manufacturer, he has to raise his prices to meet demand due to hiring and doubling output.

But like all bubbles, they pop and prices plummet, which is always the best time to buy.
The gun ban talk will fizzle and things will return to normal and prices will drop on everything related.
As I said before, there will be no ban.

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Quote from: The Stranger on January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
I am a regular at a few local shops here in WNC and today started to think maybe gun store owners are no different then anyone else, GREEDY.
One local store here usually has about 150 rifles along the back wall today there were maybe a dozen or so left and NO SEMI-AUTO'S. I reload and noticed little red tags on nearly everything in the store and asked one of the gentlemen h*ll you closing up and he laughed and said no. They raised the price on everything in the store and folks were still leaving with milk cartons FULL OF AMMO, the shelves were EMPTY of loaded Ammo! The projectiles I usually buy were 25-30% more then I usually pay. A can of lube that I pay $3.00-$3.50 for was over $8.00. I don't know who to Blame, Greed or Obama?Oh well what to think?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

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BILLY Defiant

Never buy (or sell) ANYTHING in a panic market...that goes for wall street.... :wink: as well as gun's & Ammo.

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Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 15, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
Never buy (or sell) ANYTHING in a panic market...that goes for wall street.... :wink: as well as gun's & Ammo.

:popcorn:

Billy

I would amend that to say, never buy or sell anything in a panic. If you keep your wits about you, a panic market can make you a lot of money! :wink:

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raptor5618

Supply and demand is not greed.  And anyway who really is not greedy.  In a free market you can be as greedy as you want but can only sell at a price that the market will accept.  Increasing capacity at the manufacturer is not the reason for higher prices.  Their total cost will increase and perhaps cash flow will be impacted but their cost per unit will probably go down.  Again it is demand, they charge as high as a price as they can get. 

Visiting a gun store is really quite an adventure as Obama really pumped money into anyone who sells ammo or guns.  Hmm wonder what the numbers will show when sporting goods companies post their numbers.  Not sure if they are all public but I would like to see the difference between Dick's and say gander mtn or Cabellas. 

I am left handed and apparently not thinking about what demand would be when I thought about getting a AR-15.   Stag Arms has left handed models that are priced in a range that I can handle.  Well I looked a little late as the frenzy was starting and before I hit the put this in my basket button Obama came out talking about regulating guns.  Then it was over.   Go to stag arms web site only a few days ago and the back log was thought to be 1 year.  Went on their site last night and now they say 2 years and that they have every person on staff rushing to get what ever product they have out the door. 

Visit any site that sells guns and you will not find a single gun that looks like an AR even if they shoot .22.   As far as reloading which I got into in the last year well I am sure those costs will go up as they did in the past when they talked about banning assault weapons.  I did not experience this but my friends that reload constantly complain about how much the costs have gone up.  I can just imagine what this is going to do. 

Think that gun manufacturers are probably having some difficult decisions to make.  How much should they invest in adding capacity.  They certainly have short term demand but they also face the potential that their guns could be banned and the guns would not be able to be sold.   
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The Stranger

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I reload and much of the stuff I was talking of was off the shelf things that had been there for weeks or months then they just raised the prices on things more then doubling some. Guns and mag. I can see them being sold out.
I am a loyal customer and will but up with a lot but to just up prices because he can isn't right. He may have lost a good return customer, I have to see how things play out because I am on my way to another of my suppliers and am wondering what he has done with his prices.
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Solar

Quote from: raptor5618 on January 16, 2013, 06:32:26 AM
Supply and demand is not greed.  And anyway who really is not greedy.  In a free market you can be as greedy as you want but can only sell at a price that the market will accept.  Increasing capacity at the manufacturer is not the reason for higher prices.  Their total cost will increase and perhaps cash flow will be impacted but their cost per unit will probably go down.  Again it is demand, they charge as high as a price as they can get. 

Not in the short term, were talking panic buying bubble here.
If the manufacturer sees this trending higher, his cost per unit will increase in that he too is putting demand on a supply mkt not used to influx in quantity.
In other words, everyone will pay a premium to meet demand in all areas to keep up with supply.

The market works to supply demand, but when demand drastically increases, prices follow suit.
Why do you think prices drop like a rock after the bubble pops?
Because there is a glut of product and little demand.
The manufacturer, if he wants to stay in business that is, always passes his cost increases onto the customer, he already has a built in profit he works with, he also recognizes a bubble and prices his product accordingly.

Remember the housing bubble, and remember how high prices got, and where are those prices today? 
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AndyJackson

Business exists to make money.  And they are free to pursue whatever strategies they choose.

The marketplace will give us an alternative when someone bucks the trend to gouge everyone, and makes more money in the long run because everyone flocks to them.  Prices go back down, problem solved.

Except for the meddling of politicians favoring certain competitors with laws, a true free market will always work like this.

I only think it's immoral when they use disasters and suffering to roll out the gouging.

Right now, their gouging is based solely in the customer's greed and need to hoard.  Most of the hoarding is being done by folks who already are armed and stocked up.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the hoarding, it's a free country, go for it.  But I don't think raising prices for that is anything evil.

I went to Walmart last night and found the rumors of devestation to be true.  They are cleaned out.  The sales guy said most of it happened the DAY OF Newtown.  That's crazy.

The odd thing was that there is just one little pile of ammo left, all of it .270.  And a nice .270 rifle in the case.  I thought it was odd that these were overlooked, but the sales guy said that maybe it's because it's such a dedicated deer gun, and it's out of season.  I'd still think a devoted prepper would grab up the rifle and the ammo anyway.  Gun was only ~300.00, too.  But it was bolt action with a 5-round box, so maybe it's not sexy enough lol.

Solar

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:08:50 AM
Business exists to make money.  And they are free to pursue whatever strategies they choose.

The marketplace will give us an alternative when someone bucks the trend to gouge everyone, and makes more money in the long run because everyone flocks to them.  Prices go back down, problem solved.

Except for the meddling of politicians favoring certain competitors with laws, a true free market will always work like this.

I only think it's immoral when they use disasters and suffering to roll out the gouging.

Right now, their gouging is based solely in the customer's greed and need to hoard.  Most of the hoarding is being done by folks who already are armed and stocked up.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the hoarding, it's a free country, go for it.  But I don't think raising prices for that is anything evil.

I went to Walmart last night and found the rumors of devestation to be true.  They are cleaned out.  The sales guy said most of it happened the DAY OF Newtown.  That's crazy.

The odd thing was that there is just one little pile of ammo left, all of it .270.  And a nice .270 rifle in the case.  I thought it was odd that these were overlooked, but the sales guy said that maybe it's because it's such a dedicated deer gun, and it's out of season.  I'd still think a devoted prepper would grab up the rifle and the ammo anyway.  Gun was only ~300.00, too.  But it was bolt action with a 5-round box, so maybe it's not sexy enough lol.
That's exactly what killed my industry, the Govt got involved in alternative energy and picked winners and losers, in the end everyone wound up being a loser, except Husein's friends.
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Quote from: The Stranger on January 16, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
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I reload and much of the stuff I was talking of was off the shelf things that had been there for weeks or months then they just raised the prices on things more then doubling some. Guns and mag. I can see them being sold out.
I am a loyal customer and will but up with a lot but to just up prices because he can isn't right. He may have lost a good return customer, I have to see how things play out because I am on my way to another of my suppliers and am wondering what he has done with his prices.

Look at it from his point of view........

This is going on across the country. I doubt that he will be able to just place an order and have the inventory to restock his shelves next week. With taxes on exess inventory, none of the gun or ammo manufacturers have the stuff laying around to resupply everybody, either. These days, everything is manufactured pretty much on an "as needed" basis.

Once the store owner is out, he'll still be open for business, but he's not going to have anything to sell.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arms to go out and do this "panic" buying. I don't blame him for getting some extra money...........it's gonna be awhile before he's able to restock.

I'm over here by Raleigh, and it's really hard to resist the temptation to go out and buy something. :wink:

AndyJackson

The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.

AndyJackson

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2013, 08:19:57 AM
That's exactly what killed my industry, the Govt got involved in alternative energy and picked winners and losers, in the end everyone wound up being a loser, except Husein's friends.
Yeah, it's great that it's not even based in the quality of the products.  Only payback for campaign donations.

kramarat

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.

Yep. If the left truly believe that it's guns that kill people; and not people that kill people.............Well, I guess the Obama administration has just made the country a much more dangerous place. The libs should be hating Obama right now. :biggrin:

What's really funny? When they hear about all of this, it will be the punk criminals that are the most scared. :lol:

I wonder if all of this gun and ammo buying will lead to an "inexplicable" drop in crime?

Solar

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
The guy I talked to at Walmart said even the manufacturers are wiped out.  And that the supply / delivery train will be a while before getting caught up.

That is pretty damned funny.

Nothing like a liberal gabfest about gun control and confiscation....to create about 50 million new guns and several hundred million rounds in the hands of good Americans.

Sort of a nice Karma / Darwin feel to it.
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Ohhhh the irony! :cool:
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