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Will you resist the taking of your GUNS by the Government with Fire Power?

Yes
6 (54.5%)
No
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Voting closed: February 07, 2013, 07:07:50 PM

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2013, 04:28:52 PM »

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2013, 04:40:52 PM »
The duty of all of these FEDERAL officials is the simply ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION--not try to solve all of society's problems. It's time we make them understand that OATH they took. Endless laws and regulations is NOT what they are placed in office to do.

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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2013, 05:16:44 PM »
What you are likely to find in Westchester county is likely a rich Democrat or a retired Judge or Prosecutor who put enough scumbags in jail over the years that he/she needs a gun permit.

Printing their names and addresses will more likely result in a visit from
some revenge seeking felon.

You can bet that any aggrieved former (and active) Judges prosecutors and Politicians are going to come back at the newspaper one way or another.

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As was explained to me by my nephew - who used to be a NYC policeman - before he moved to Atlanta and became a policeman there - as a HOMEOWNER in the SUBURBS it isn't that hard to get a pistol permit IF THE WEAPON IS GOING TO BE KEPT ON THE PREMISES. Now getting a pistol permit within the NYC limits or getting a carry permit of any kind, is sort of along the lines of rebuilding the Panama Canal - with a teaspoon.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2013, 05:49:53 AM »
Couldn't find a place to put this and didn't want to start a new thread.
I do a lot of flipping on Sunday morning laughing at the talk show circuit.
This weekend all the talk about GUNS and NOT ONE proposal would DO A THING to stop GUN violence. Am I the only one who noticed this?
But would make MILLIONS of the most LAW ABIDING citizens CRIMINALS. I had to laugh.
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2013, 06:37:05 AM »
If you want to see a blueprint for gun confiscation by the government, read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury or see the movie by Francois Truffaut. Just substitute guns for books.

Holder was being very honest - surprisingly so! They are going to demonize lawful gun owners just like they did with smokers. They will be painted as a danger to themselves and those around them. The public will be bombarded from the media and the children will be bombarded from schools.

And despite Billy's faith in his fellow law enforcement types, the ones who will actively resist orders to confiscate weapons are in the minority and that minority is getting smaller everyday.

Cops, like the military do a thankless and dangerous job but, they are also conditioned to follow orders. If cops are told that confiscating weapons from law abiding civilians is for the good of society - for public safety they will do so. And they have no hesitation about using deadly force to achieve their goal.








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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2013, 12:59:15 PM »
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Cops, like the military do a thankless and dangerous job but, they are also conditioned to follow orders.
They are conditioned to follow lawful orders. You'd probably have trouble getting troops to fire on their friends and neighbors. And much of the military comes from areas where gun owners are omnipresent and is supported by people who live in those same areas. Leftists - mainly because they hold the military in contempt - assume that they will follow orders - given to them by civilians they don't particularly like or generals they don't particularly trust - like automatons.
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If cops are told that confiscating weapons from law abiding civilians is for the good of society - for public safety they will do so. And they have no hesitation about using deadly force to achieve their goal.
And you assume they'll believe that crap because? The political leanings of a bunch of politicized department heads doesn't necessarily represent the views of the officers who'll have to make these seizures. Besides attempting to seize the weapons of the guy who lies down the street from you is a little different than taking on a bunch of "crazies" who live in an isolated compound. And are you assuming that the public will allow themselves to be disarmed? I would use the Katrina situation as a template. The population of New Orleans has lived in a Democraptic sinkhole for generations. They are conditioned to suck on the government teat and follow the governments orders. How well do you think those seizures would have gone in the rest of the state of Louisiana?
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2013, 02:53:40 PM »
If you want to see a blueprint for gun confiscation by the government, read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury or see the movie by Francois Truffaut. Just substitute guns for books.

Holder was being very honest - surprisingly so! They are going to demonize lawful gun owners just like they did with smokers. They will be painted as a danger to themselves and those around them. The public will be bombarded from the media and the children will be bombarded from schools.

And despite Billy's faith in his fellow law enforcement types, the ones who will actively resist orders to confiscate weapons are in the minority and that minority is getting smaller everyday.

Cops, like the military do a thankless and dangerous job but, they are also conditioned to follow orders. If cops are told that confiscating weapons from law abiding civilians is for the good of society - for public safety they will do so. And they have no hesitation about using deadly force to achieve their goal.









You left out "turner diaries"...anyhow, those books are written by people who have no understanding of how things work in all practicality vis a vis Law Enforcement. They are good reads but little else.

You used WACO as an example well, you have to understand that WACO was a turning point in US Law enforcement and from then on there was a different attitude towards Federal agents and it wasn't good. Remember that Koresh and the Local sheriff were on good terms
and he (the Sherifff) gave many an angry rebuke about the raid, he said he could have walked in and had Koresh surrender had he known about the warrant.

You also have to remember that "The Cops" are NOT in Obamao's chain of command, "the cops" are not any of the letter agencies of the Fed govt, they are REGULATOR's ...NOT peace officers. "The Cops" are technically under control of the Governor of the state they are sworn
under, sworn to uphold the US Constitution and the State Constitution and empowered under STATE LAW. Then the Jurisdiction (City) unless it is a county with a sheriff. Now you are talking big time power, the Sheriff is the chief law enforcemet officer in the USA in his county.

And "the cops" have no Love for Obamao, First off he is a lawyer who made his bones registering complaints agianst them as a community organizer. Cops REALLY HATE lawyers particularly the ACLU type ideological public defender version. This is the guy who called them "stupid" and worse this is the guy who sold the bad guys guns who killed a Border patrol agent.

Now with that in mind you have to understand that EVERY police Dept has rules and guidelines about following orders. You might be suprised to learn that every guideline I ever seen (And I teach Police officers sometimes) has a version of an order that exempts you from following an illegal order

In other words no superior can order you to break the law or do something illegal.

Now I have no doubt many of the Federal Agents would do whatever "the President" said, but many would refuse, not outright but in many different ways, the easiest being to go sick or claim and injury and go on light duty, exempting one from operations.

There is a growing rift between states and federal Govt, I've included a few articles to back up my position.


http://www.naturalnews.com/038391_gun_confiscation_executive_orders_cops.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/11/Kentucky-Sheriff-To-Obama-There-Will-Be-No-Gun-Control-In-My-County

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2013/01/legislative-rebellion-against-federal-gun-control-in-montana-and-wyoming/

http://newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry124.htm

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2013, 01:34:22 AM »
You left out "turner diaries"...anyhow, those books are written by people who have no understanding of how things work in all practicality vis a vis Law Enforcement. They are good reads but little else.

You used WACO as an example well, you have to understand that WACO was a turning point in US Law enforcement and from then on there was a different attitude towards Federal agents and it wasn't good. Remember that Koresh and the Local sheriff were on good terms
and he (the Sherifff) gave many an angry rebuke about the raid, he said he could have walked in and had Koresh surrender had he known about the warrant.

You also have to remember that "The Cops" are NOT in Obamao's chain of command, "the cops" are not any of the letter agencies of the Fed govt, they are REGULATOR's ...NOT peace officers. "The Cops" are technically under control of the Governor of the state they are sworn
under, sworn to uphold the US Constitution and the State Constitution and empowered under STATE LAW. Then the Jurisdiction (City) unless it is a county with a sheriff. Now you are talking big time power, the Sheriff is the chief law enforcemet officer in the USA in his county.

And "the cops" have no Love for Obamao, First off he is a lawyer who made his bones registering complaints agianst them as a community organizer. Cops REALLY HATE lawyers particularly the ACLU type ideological public defender version. This is the guy who called them "stupid" and worse this is the guy who sold the bad guys guns who killed a Border patrol agent.

Now with that in mind you have to understand that EVERY police Dept has rules and guidelines about following orders. You might be suprised to learn that every guideline I ever seen (And I teach Police officers sometimes) has a version of an order that exempts you from following an illegal order

In other words no superior can order you to break the law or do something illegal.

Now I have no doubt many of the Federal Agents would do whatever "the President" said, but many would refuse, not outright but in many different ways, the easiest being to go sick or claim and injury and go on light duty, exempting one from operations.

There is a growing rift between states and federal Govt, I've included a few articles to back up my position.


http://www.naturalnews.com/038391_gun_confiscation_executive_orders_cops.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/11/Kentucky-Sheriff-To-Obama-There-Will-Be-No-Gun-Control-In-My-County

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2013/01/legislative-rebellion-against-federal-gun-control-in-montana-and-wyoming/

http://newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry124.htm

Billy


I"m referring to not just WACO, but also the raid on the FLDS "Compound" in El Dorado, TX where LOCAL authorities (that doesn't say FBI on the side of that APC, it says SHERIFF) in full battle gear separated over 500 children from their families based on allegations of "child abuse" by a person who had never even been to the Yearning for Zion Ranch, wasn't even in the same state when she made the phone call and probably couldn't even spell polygamist even with spell check!



The last image was from the Hutaree raid. True, it was a FBI ops, but it was willingly supported by State Police. What was the justification for that raid? An FBI "informant" said the Hutaree were planning to kill cops and blow up more of them at the ensuing funeral. The only problem was, the FBI didn't have enough evidence to bring any of them to trial.

Of course, that was only after 9 members of the Hutaree "militia" had been arrested, had their weapons confiscated and their already pathetic lives ruined.

And even if the cops do resist the orders to confiscate guns... well, we've been down that road before haven't we?





Now, Wallace was obviously on the wrong side of history and racial segregation was nothing less than evil, however, this does illustrate the fact that when the rubber hits the road, a state, or even a group of states opposes the Federal Government, the states will ultimately lose the battle.


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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2013, 01:45:49 AM »
After the Port Arthur mass shooting in Australia, the conservative government pulled a fast one on the NRA, and millions of guns were confiscated or handed in.

Every time there is a mass shooting in the US, I hear Australians doing that "holier than thou" deal, because there are no guns here, and there are (almost) no mass shootings.

There is still quite a bit of gun violence (nowhere near the scale it is in the USA) but it is mostly between gangs or between bikies, and there is an occasional robbery and an occasional suicide by gun.

The media have been pushing this for weeks now. Some of them have been sounding like Piers Morgan. Most of them really don't understand what its all about, because Australians believe their government is their friend, even if they are pissed that the government is a mess, sometimes, and even if they feel the politicians are just a bunch of jerks.

So now it turns out that the number of guns in Australia has been steadily rising for the past 10 years, and the media didn't know, and the governments weren't saying. Now there are a million more guns than there were after the hand-back, 10 years ago.

Guess what, suddenly, the holier-than-thou attitude has disappeared from the airwaves overnight.

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2013, 05:21:53 AM »
After the Port Arthur mass shooting in Australia, the conservative government pulled a fast one on the NRA, and millions of guns were confiscated or handed in.

Every time there is a mass shooting in the US, I hear Australians doing that "holier than thou" deal, because there are no guns here, and there are (almost) no mass shootings.

There is still quite a bit of gun violence (nowhere near the scale it is in the USA) but it is mostly between gangs or between bikies, and there is an occasional robbery and an occasional suicide by gun.

The media have been pushing this for weeks now. Some of them have been sounding like Piers Morgan. Most of them really don't understand what its all about, because Australians believe their government is their friend, even if they are pissed that the government is a mess, sometimes, and even if they feel the politicians are just a bunch of jerks.

So now it turns out that the number of guns in Australia has been steadily rising for the past 10 years, and the media didn't know, and the governments weren't saying. Now there are a million more guns than there were after the hand-back, 10 years ago.

Guess what, suddenly, the holier-than-thou attitude has disappeared from the airwaves overnight.

Ain't moral superiority grand? - until you learn you were wrong?
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2013, 03:43:58 PM »
After the Port Arthur mass shooting in Australia, the conservative government pulled a fast one on the NRA, and millions of guns were confiscated or handed in.

Every time there is a mass shooting in the US, I hear Australians doing that "holier than thou" deal, because there are no guns here, and there are (almost) no mass shootings.

There is still quite a bit of gun violence (nowhere near the scale it is in the USA) but it is mostly between gangs or between bikies, and there is an occasional robbery and an occasional suicide by gun.

The media have been pushing this for weeks now. Some of them have been sounding like Piers Morgan. Most of them really don't understand what its all about, because Australians believe their government is their friend, even if they are pissed that the government is a mess, sometimes, and even if they feel the politicians are just a bunch of jerks.

So now it turns out that the number of guns in Australia has been steadily rising for the past 10 years, and the media didn't know, and the governments weren't saying. Now there are a million more guns than there were after the hand-back, 10 years ago.

Guess what, suddenly, the holier-than-thou attitude has disappeared from the airwaves overnight.

Ain't moral superiority grand? - until you learn you were wrong?

Last time I was in Australia (Outback Northern territories) there were plenty of guns around. Don't know about the major cities down south.

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2013, 04:23:22 PM »
Finding guns caches for a government is not that difficult. The technology exists wherein an aircraft or a van can pass near homes and catalog the weaponry in them, and take whatever measures deemed needed to remove them. Is it probable cause if you have registered five guns to your address, but there are six weapons in your home?  You have a couple guns buried in the woods? a little home made bunker? Even if they don't know it is yours, they can find it fairly easily.
Why do police cars almost always arrive in pairs? Because every officer knows that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2013, 04:34:27 PM »
Finding guns caches for a government is not that difficult. The technology exists wherein an aircraft or a van can pass near homes and catalog the weaponry in them, and take whatever measures deemed needed to remove them. Is it probable cause if you have registered five guns to your address, but there are six weapons in your home?  You have a couple guns buried in the woods? a little home made bunker? Even if they don't know it is yours, they can find it fairly easily.

Personally I don't think many judges would grant a search warrant based on gun registry. They would have to have PROBABLE CAUSE that the gun you purchased five years ago or whatever was still in a certain residence and under your control or in your possession.

One of the first things you are asked by the judge when you seek a warrant is how current the PROBABLE CAUSE IS.

Said PC must be outlined in the affidavit.

AND a search warrant is only good for the residence or location described

there is numerous case law examples, federal and Local to back up what I'm telling you.

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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2013, 08:10:18 PM »
Surely you are correct, Billy. No dissagreement from me at all.

My point is just if the government feels the need to know what you have in your closet, the means to do it are available.

Why do police cars almost always arrive in pairs? Because every officer knows that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2013, 07:05:37 AM »
Obama and children, look familiar?

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